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16-Aug-2012, 01:14 AM
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| |  | | | Kara Parshad Prepared In A Ritual?
Recently I had a thought on Kara Parshad - and the preparing of it .
Here is a short summarise:
According to the religion, Karah Prasad should be prepared in the following method: - Place for preparation must be swept and plastered.
- Cooking vessels must be scoured and washed clean.
- The person preparing karah prasad must bathe and must utter only `Praise to the Guru'.
- Fill a new pitcher with water.
- In a clean large iron pan (karah), equal quantities of three contents - coarsely refined wheat flour (semolina), pure sugar and clarified butter or ghee should be put and it should be made reciting the Scriptures.
- When the karah prasad is ready it should then be covered with a clean piece of cloth.
- The prasad must be placed on a four-legged clean stool in front of the Guru Granth Sahib.
- The first five and the last stanza of the Anand Sahib should be recited aloud (so that the congregation can hear).
- If another vessel of the sacred pudding is brought in after the recitation of the Anand, it is not necessary to repeat the recitation of the Anand Sahib. Offering of the pudding brought later to the sacred Kirpan is enough
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Isn´t that a moer a ritual? I mean cleaning and all the stuff? How is this a blessing from the Guru? I mean where is the difference between parshad created at home and Gurudwara? I see many people how make it at home for theirself and say it isn´t "gurus parshad"? Isnt this Brahimvadiya?
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16-Aug-2012, 06:01 AM
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| | | | | Re: Kara Parshad prepared in a ritual?
Cleaning is good - it's not ritualistic. At home I make sure my stuff is clean before I use it - if it's not clean I clean it. |
16-Aug-2012, 07:13 AM
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Yeah..I am flabbergasted with this post...There is NOT ONE IOTA of "ritualism" in the entire process...i mean ..what the heck ?? Cleanliness..ritual ??( anyone ever heard that FOOD POISONING EVER occurred at AN Gurdwara ?? EVER ?? recitation of paath/moolmantar/waheguru/japji shaib...ritual ?? is Gossiping..idle talk/texting/smsesing/yacking on the phone/bluetoothing ipod etc etc better ?? Covering the bowl..ritual ?? Leave the karrah parshad naked and uncovered..with the inherent danger of flies..insects..lizards etc falling IN..someone going past sneezing...coughing all over it...nay better ??/ Four legged stool..Ritual ?? Stable support is vital..karah parshaad is often very HOT and its vital that it be NOT placed on a two legged/three legged/rickety stool etc which can be easily toppled over... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38944Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38944
NO JIOS...no Ritual..its all completely Common sense and reasonable process set out rationally. There is a Punjabi proverb..sapp da dangiah rassee ton darda....bitten by snake once..scared of even a rope for life...or once bitten twice shy..or burnt by fire scared even of matchstick box....we sometimes see microscopically and split hairs too fine...no offense no disrespect...  | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
16-Aug-2012, 07:19 AM
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and by the way..the "Blessing" comes AFTER the Ardass/Hukmanmah and is signified y the KIRPAN BHET....not earlier than that. Earlier than ardass/hukmnamah/kirpan bhet its just whats called Halwa/Gaffeh/Parshaad/sweet dish available at any Indian shop/restaurant and also made in many punjabi households for Tea snack or after dinner sweet dish....and those can be "prepared" any which way..ha ha..who cares what happens in the backside kitchens of restaurants ?? or if the waiter dipped his little finger in the halwa before serving it..ha ha or the serving actually dropped on the floor and he put it back on the plate quickly..ha ha..THAT is "ritual"..ha ha JUST...eat and pay....get SICK LATER....  : singhsippingcoffee: :singhsippi ngcoffee: | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
16-Aug-2012, 08:07 AM
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Tigerstylezji, if you don't mind me saying- I think that is a crazy observation and suggestion. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38944Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38944
Gyanji has given you a firm explanation above.
If you really don't accept it as the Guru's blessing, I suggest you refuse it on all accounts next time and if someone brings it home for you then you can by all means throw it in the garbage if that's what you feel.
It clearly has no significance for you.
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16-Aug-2012, 13:45 PM
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| |  | | | Re: Kara Parshad prepared in a ritual?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckysingh  Tigerstylezji, if you don't mind me saying- I think that is a crazy observation and suggestion.
Gyanji has given you a firm explanation above.
If you really don't accept it as the Guru's blessing, I suggest you refuse it on all accounts next time and if someone brings it home for you then you can by all means throw it in the garbage if that's what you feel.
It clearly has no significance for you. | Luckyji
my dearest slimmer, taller and better looking me, I think we need to give this kid a break here. He is 17, and asking questions, finding answers. When I was 17 such a subject would be the furthest thing from my mind!
I say bring on these questions, satisfy yourself so that you can establish your very own litmus tests, it is only through the asking of such questions that the next generation will not leave it later in life to find the true essence of Sikhism, rather than the lite version offered to most.
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16-Aug-2012, 15:51 PM
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No no, I don´t mean ths kind of cleaning... I mean the cleaning they think they do when they made Karah Parsahd with Paath... I mean where is the difference between this Parsad and Parsaad created at home - in the same style? It is just the Paath that is left out on the karah parsaad at home... Some people dont even waste a bit of Gurus Parshad when it falls on the ground they pick it up and eat it in the Gurudwara but at home if not used they throw it in the garbage? Mabe you understand now what I mean.. You know my english is poor... Maybe my sentences sometimes make no sense for you - or you just dont understand what I really meant..Why they only" cut" Parshad with kirpan? Why can´t I use a Chamcha(spoon) or something? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38944Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38944
Isn´t every food Gurus Parshaad? I mean I am thankful for all kind of food..
I mean for me I like kara parshaad - and the main Gurus blessing is when they read Gurus word, also they recite Bani from Guru Granth Sahib ji( in Gurudwara) - after that Parshad is just the icing on the cake for me.
BTW: No offense taken.. Lol I guess I am the one who offends? Lol - everytime people misunderstand me.. We are here to share - and how can I take any offense? I mean i asked this question and you gave your opinion
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16-Aug-2012, 16:24 PM
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| | | | | Re: Kara Parshad prepared in a ritual?
Tigerstylez Ji,
No offense taken or intended _ i think we can safely conclude THAT MUCH at least ...
Secondly..i think that you have confused Ritual with METHODOLOGY. A "methodology" is like a RECIPE...If the recipe says..EQUAL PARTS atta/sugar/water/ghee...it means exactly that. IF the Recipe says Put GHEE first in the frying Pan (karrahi) FIRST..then thats the way to follow...one CANNOT decide----NO I am going to BOIL the WATER FIRST..and then add the GHEE..and ATTA last...After all it says Equal parts..so I will do it MY WAY...
SO the Preparation of Karrah parshaad is METHODOLOGY ..a RECIPE which has to be strictly adhered to as is where is when is basis...Steps followed with no exceptions. Its just a sweet dish UNTIL the ardass, hukmnamah/ KIRPAN BHET ( its NOT meant to CUT the parshaad as in Cake cutting ceremony)....
It becomes a "Ritual"...when someone insists ONLY So and SO Can light the fire...so and so can wash the karrahi..so and so can stir the ghee..atta must be bought form such and such shop ONLY..water must be from ths tap and that well etc ONLY..or cloth covering must be WHITE ONLY..ORANGE ONLY..or only so and so can carry the karrah parshaad..only such and such a KIRPAN can be sued for kirpan bhet and no other...only so and so cna serve it..only so and so can take back home extra parshaad etc etc..THEN its a RITUAL !!.. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38944
I have observed such "rituals"..maybe you did too...and thats why you asked
1. ONLY the HEAD GRANTHI can make KP...ONLY this Karrahi must be used..ONLY that person can fetch the water..ONLY that person can wash the bhandeh..ONLY this and only that...WRONG ACTIONS. No way is Karrah Parshaad made THIS way any purer, more blessed etc than that made by any SIKH anywhere provided he followed the RECIPE in the SRM meticulously....whether at HOME, in the Khalsa School Canteen, ARMY CAMP Mess Kitchen, Restaurant..open field..etc etc etc....Places, people, etc are of no consequence....SRM is supreme and ONLY a SIKH can make KP for the SANGAT... anyone can make it FOR HIMSELF/HIS FAMILY...I KNOW one Local PIYARA DESIGNATE...he has his Muslim MAID wash his Kacherras for him..the maid cooks his karrah parshaad in the house kitchen..he has the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji parkash and does his paath himslef !! AS long as NO SANGAT is involved..i guess he is free to do as he pleases... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38944
This is why the SRM has Proviisons for SIKH - INDIVIDUAL..and SIKH_ Community/Communal...the TWO differ.
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17-Aug-2012, 03:36 AM
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| | | | | Re: Kara Parshad prepared in a ritual?
Gyani Ji,
Equal parts is what I am familiar with when I used to help my father prepare the deg for gurdwara programs when I was a teenager. But nowadays I find that parshad has come to a 'kurang manis' version. Meaning less sugar. And that's good. It could be that the sugar is not so sweet these days. japposatnamwaheguru: Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38944Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38944
I have a question here:
What is the difference between phrases used while completing the ardas with AAP JI DE DAR PARWAAN HOVEI and AAP JI NU BHOG LEGGEY ?
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