Atheists Dilemma with Sikhism

harry haller · #1 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2012, 22:01 PM

The following is a transcript of emails that I found extremely interesting, it begins with an email from the atheist society complaining about how they are finding it hard to expose Sikhism as a religious doctrine, as it appears to be more a way of life.

Dear Ali, please help us. We were very impressed with your website and agreed that religion in general is no longer needed, we can all be humanistic and live in peace and harmony. We are in the process of making a website which will hopefully help to destroy the religious doctrines which divide humanity. We were doing great with knocking out Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Baha'i, even Buddhism but we have gotten very stuck with Sikhism. This religion is (to put it nicely) "a big pain in the ***" (Please pardon the language) We have only found one site which tries (very poorly) to argue that even this religion is not needed, but the argument is irrational and very unscientific unlike the very rational arguments you use. When we read the following from your website, we found what you said to be amazingly interesting:

"Doubt Everything Find Your Own Light."

"Last Words

Dear friend, if you look for meaning in life, don’t look for it in religions; don’t go from one cult to another or from one guru to the next. You can expend all your life or look for eternity and will find nothing but disappointment and disillusionment. Look instead in service to humanity. You will find “meaning” in your love for other human beings. You can experience God when you help someone who needs your help. The only truth that counts is the love that we have for each other. This is absolute and real. The rest is mirage, fancies of human imagination and fallacies of our own making." By Ali Sina

Why is this interesting? Because we found this religion of Sikhism to be in agreement with you! This is why we have a problem. We tried to look at their holy text (Adi Granth) but didnt find the usual absurdities we found in the other religious books. In fact its refreshingly inspiring and very good!? Maybe you can have some better luck. We tried to visit a couple of websites and got more of a shock. Did you know that they believed in Democracy, freedom of speech, choice, expression, freedom of religion, pluralism, human rights, equality between men and women, equality of all people regardless of race, religion, caste, creed, status etc. 300 years before the existance of the USA! Theirs is the only religion which says in their religious scriptures that women are equal in every respect to men. They even had women soldiers leading armies in to battle against "you know who" (The usual suspects - Muslims!) Their history is a proud one,they fought in both World Wars. Even Hitler praised them for their bravery and Aryan heritage!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/38637-atheists-dilemma-with-sikhism.html

Dear Ali, this religion is hard for us to try and criticise but you are an expert and may find some faults overlooked by us. In their holy book, there is a round earth, water is made from chemical elements, there is even mention of the evoution process, big bang and life on other planets! This is pretty crazy and amazing stuff, who would have thought that these New York taxi drivers (There are lots of Sikh taxi drivers in NY) would have such an amzing faith? We read up some information of what Bertrand Russell had to say about Sikhism, this is the man who destroyed Christianity (same applies to Islam and Judaism) and exposed its absurdities, but even thisgreat man got stuck when it came to Sikhism!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38637

rest at http://atheistdilemma.blogspot.co.uk/

Kanwaljit Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2012, 23:32 PM

It looks a bit made up ! Sorry to say like that. You can never be sure with all those massively forwarded and blogged texts on the internet.

harry haller · #3 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2012, 23:47 PM

hahaha I did have similar thoughts, but it did make an entertaining read, I have found Ali's website, it makes very interesting reading actually,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38637

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

Kanwaljit Singh · #4 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2012, 23:51 PM

Check out the link list:
Links

And the fact that there is only one blog post. It's author is a fellow Sikh, see his profile hehe!

harry haller · #5 (**permalink**) 10-Jun-2012, 00:10 AM

I think our friend copied it from Sikhnet, but it does allegedly appear on Ali's own website above, Ali being the person debating with the atheists

Luckysingh · #6 (**permalink**) 10-Jun-2012, 05:58 AM

This is very good material and a very good read.
It makes you realise just how much strength all the pillars of sikhism has compared to other faiths.
It's a shame when there are so many out there doing a good job in its destruction.

findingmyway · #7 (**permalink**) 11-Jun-2012, 06:14 AM

Here's the debate in more detail
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/atheis...iest-view.html

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #8 (**permalink**) 11-Jun-2012, 10:56 AM

and i noticed the very first thing the Islamists did was REGISTER their own website with the same exact name of Ali's webiste...Faithfreedom.COM...isnt it right then that the Most flaterring is done by COPYCATS....What answers can they provide when they cant even think of original name for their website..except try to CONFUSE...