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09-Apr-2012, 14:18 PM
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| |  | | | Am I a Sikh, or a Heretic?
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I always thought the path to Sikhi would be quite straightforward, read the bani, understand the bani, live the bani, its not rocket science or brain surgery.
However, like all things, it just is not as simple as that. From reading other forums, web pages about Sikhism, I find myself finding what I feel are errors, ranging from absolutely huge whoppers to minor deviations. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/38321-am-i-a-sikh-or-heretic.html
In my view, one has to believe in something, to nail ones colours to the mast, so I decided to try and find out more about Baldev Singh, a writer at Sikhspectrum.com whose writings I found riveting , but was most upset to find that he died a few years ago. In desperation, I googled Sikh heretics, and came across a host of people that are seen as heretics in Sikhism. The heresy involves standing against reincarnation, karma, ghosts, ghouls, miracles, enlightenment through word sounds rather than word meanings, continued Vedic influence, validity of Dasam Granth etc. The more I read, the more I was convinced I had finally found a branch of Sikhism I agreed with. At the very least it was consistent, rational, logical and within the laws of nature and thus Creation.
All I ever wanted to be was a Sikh, now I find I am in fact a heretic, just for once in my life could I not walk with the majority for a change!
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09-Apr-2012, 15:31 PM
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Musketeer you have grown even more nutty in my absence ,you don't need a branch of Sikhism.You are the Tree.  | | The following members appreciate Scarlet Pimpernel Ji for the above message. | |
09-Apr-2012, 15:54 PM
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Spji
Many thanks for your post, I can tell your saving the really good material for an auspicious occasion.
Having made a few more searches into Sikh heretics, it appears this forum also appears on heresy friendly sites, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38321 These Heretic Groups which are Trying to Break People from Dasam Patshah Bani, Khalsa Rehit and Dharma, And All Things Beautiful in The Palace of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, with Their Aims at Attacking GuruGranth Sahib Ji, are Trying to Use Emotional Blackmail by the Names They Use:
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38321
"Khalsa Fauj
Gursikh Singh
Sikh Philosophy Network
One Panth
Guru Panths Channel
Sikh Lehar
Singh Sabha
Guru Granth Sahib Academy
Clearly I came to the right place! | | The following members appreciate harry haller Ji for the above message. | |
09-Apr-2012, 17:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry haller  Having made a few more searches into Sikh heretics, it appears this forum also appears on heresy friendly sites,
These Heretic Groups which are Trying to Break People from Dasam Patshah Bani, Khalsa Rehit and Dharma, And All Things Beautiful in The Palace of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, with Their Aims at Attacking GuruGranth Sahib Ji, are Trying to Use Emotional Blackmail by the Names They Use:
"Khalsa Fauj
Gursikh Singh
Sikh Philosophy Network
One Panth
Guru Panths Channel
Sikh Lehar
Singh Sabha
Guru Granth Sahib Academy
Clearly I came to the right place! | We are heretics??? Oh my. I had no idea. Does this mean I am up to no good and should be ashamed of myelf? Oh well, I like this place anyway. I admit, I secretly like it when people I disagree with call me a heretic. I think it means I'm on the right track. | | The following members appreciate Annie Ji for the above message. | |
09-Apr-2012, 18:08 PM
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Guru Nanak ji was a HERETIC too...He refused to learn the OOrra aeirrah from the Pandit..( He taught the pandit the REAL Alphabet of Life)..He refused to elarn the counting 1-9..addition and subtractions..( He taught the Accountant Tera Tera )..He refused to learn the Alph beh ( He taught the Mullah the alphabet of creation)..
IN Fcat He was Heretic supreme..because He refused to wear the fake janeau ( he described the REAL JANEAU)..He reufsed to beleive the Cow-dung could save ones soul...He refused to beleive a bath in the sacred Ganga washed ones soul..He refused to beleive...refused to beleive..refused to beleive..in SO MUCH and so many..karmas, and joons, and reincarnations, and fake behaviours of Maaalas and dhotees, tikkas and japmalis..teeraths and fasts, karva chauths and holis and diwalis.. and dual languages and dual religions (private and in public..Ghar Ghar jeean boli avar tumaree..a private so called pure langauge at home..and the malecch vulgar language fo the RULER for PUBLIC usage ) he refused such DUALITy..such THUGGH behaviours.. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38321Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38321
I ma indeed PROUD to be a follower of the Biggest HERETIC the world has ever seen...one who went to Hardwaar and threw water to the WEST..one who went to Mecca and lay down with his feet towards God's "house"....one who went to Kumbh and cooked Deer Meat...one who exposed Sajjan Thuggh..and brought him back to a good life..oh YEAH..I am a HERETIC too...and my children..my family are heretic too...and we are Happy Heretics....  | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
09-Apr-2012, 18:14 PM
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this is turning into the film Spartacus!
Look, I am the one moaning about being branded a heretic, this is not an invitation for the rest of you to be heretics too, I was just enjoying the peace and quiet here in heresy land, now suddenly every tom, **** and harry is a bloody heretic  | | The following members appreciate harry haller Ji for the above message. | |
09-Apr-2012, 18:19 PM
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for heretics everywhere
ਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਖਾਂਡੁ ਰੇਤੁ ਮਹਿ ਬਿਖਰਿਓ ਹਸਤੀ ਚੁਨਿਓ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥
हरि भइओ खांडु रेतु महि बिखरिओ हसतीं चुनिओ न जाई ॥
Har bẖa▫i▫o kẖāʼnd reṯ mėh bikẖri▫o hasṯīʼn cẖuni▫o na jā▫ī.
The Lord is like sugar, spilled onto the sand; the elephant cannot pick it up.
ਕਹਿ ਕਮੀਰ ਕੁਲ ਜਾਤਿ ਪਾਂਤਿ ਤਜਿ ਚੀਟੀ ਹੋਇ ਚੁਨਿ ਖਾਈ ॥੨॥੩॥੧੨॥
कहि कमीर कुल जाति पांति तजि चीटी होइ चुनि खाई ॥२॥३॥१२॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38321
Kahi kamīr kul jāṯ pāʼnṯ ṯaj cẖītī ho▫e cẖun kẖā▫ī. ||2||3||12||
Says Kabeer, give up your ancestry, social status and honor; be like the tiny ant - pick up and eat the sugar. ||2||3||12|| | | The following members appreciate harry haller Ji for the above message. | |
09-Apr-2012, 20:51 PM
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Harry Haller veer ji thanks for posting a great citation from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We are so blessed to have mine of diamonds given to each of us for free in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Quote:
Originally Posted by harry haller this is turning into the film Spartacus!
Look, I am the one moaning about being branded a heretic, this is not an invitation for the rest of you to be heretics too, I was just enjoying the peace and quiet here in heresy land, now suddenly every tom, **** and harry is a bloody heretic | Harry Haller veer ji on a side note can you perhaps better define what type of heretic you are!
I can relate myself to kind of words below in blue in part, Quote: heretic 1. a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.
2.Roman Catholic Church. a baptized Roman Catholic who willfully and persistently rejects any article of faith.
3. anyone who does not conform to an established attitude, doctrine, or principle.
Synonyms
1. apostate, backslider, recreant, protestant. 3. dissenter, skeptic, freethinker.
heretic
early 14c., from Fr. hérétique (14c.), from Church L. hereticus, from Gk. hairetikos "able to choose," the verbal adj. of hairein
| Sat Sri Akal.
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09-Apr-2012, 23:00 PM
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GuRu Nanak Ji thru Gurbanee removed all Kinks of prevailing riligious beliefs be it Hindu or Islamic and showed a stright Super High Way Path of meeting the LORD ABNAASEE PRABHu. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38321Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38321
Can any Heretic do this.? So GuRu Nanak ji can not be confined within the definition and meanings of being Heretic.
No Sikh can be Heretic so long He understands and lives with the teachings of his GuRu.
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