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Hey everyone,

Yup i have returned to this thread once again, i don't know why but there is something in my head that say's that i should give my final decision on the use of cannibis in sikhism. Even though i full agree with Randip Singh statement:

" Just as we have alcohol in medicine, so I think this would be allowable as a medicine."

But some how this topic still bother's me religiously and personally, but i do not know why. So i hope me giving my final decision will put my mind at ease, and so i can move on in life.

So i believe using cannibis as a medicine is okay, as long as you take it wisely and not like a ******. Because medicine being made today by doctor do, do the trick but there are side effect that cause harm to your body. But cannibis is the same, but the harm are less something like a short term memory lost and relaxes your muscle. But when used wisely it won't have an effect on you.

So yeah this is my awnser, hopefully my mind can just chill out. And don't worry you won't ever catch me with cannibis, unless i have a sympton which only cannibis can ease than.

P.S sorry my brother and sister that you had to see me go insane over this topic, even though my question was already awnsered. Cheer's for tolerating moi.
Blazinsikh ji

You seem to be looking for straightforward justification such as more attention to the alcohol fact in medicines as stated by Randip ji.
The argument is NOT that simple in the real world as you will see.

Let me just clarify this a little more- Alcohol is used in majority of liquid medicine forms. 2 Main Reasons-

1) This alcohol is not your standard whiskey,rum or vodka, it is usually ethanol, isopropyl or derivatives. This is very concentrated normally 80% and above compared to your 40% liquor drink
. But it is in VERY SMALL amounts to PRESERVE the liquid. If the liquid medicine had all the other ingredients in it but NO preservative, then it would only last about a week before mould and bacteria start multiplying.
This very small amount, no more than 5ml for every 100ml of liquid medicine is there to preserve the medicine and give it a longer shelf life.

So, in majority of these cases it is used as a preservative, these amounts are too small to cross over into your brain/blood suppply so you won't feel any effects of alcohol like intoxication in your blood.

2) Some traditional medicines use alcohol for cough medicnes as Randip ji has correctly stated.
This again is in very small amounts but higher than that used for preservatives, but still, very small amounts that can cross your brain/blood supply.
In this case Large quantities.. ie.. more than the recommended medicine amount will give intoxicating effects. (If you have the correct dose it may be a little effect, but higher than that would give a high.)
The old formula of benylin was abused for this reason, party goers would be swigging whole cough bottles at a time.

The reason for this 2nd use is because of its drying effect, or it's absorption of water. You see alcohol is very concentrated and it has a great affinity for moisture and water.
Many alcohol drinkers can verify that they often feel dehydrated after because of this very reason.

Infact if you put 2 glasses in an active steam room and one is empty while the other has some alcohol inside it. Then after a while the steam will cool near the glass surface and you will observe water inside both glasses. However the glass with alcohol inside it will attract more steam and moisture and it's level of cooled water will be much higher. This is because the alcohol will attract and pull more moisture towards itself.

So what use is this as a medicine?

Well one classic use of this drying effect is for chesty or wet coughs, the coughs that are associated with lots of mucus and 'raishaa'.

The alcohol in the cough mixture will help dry your mucus filled throat and chest because of this strong affinity and attraction for moisture and water. This will result in less mucus or 'raisha' and a better feeling for the patient.

Now , you can see 2 fundamental differences and reasons of why alcohol is used.

Getting back to your cannabis issue, you can see it is much different and a different ball game.
We know that it helps in pain by relaxing muscles but there are many medicinal drugs that can do this as well.

Only in extreme cases when ALL else is NO LONGER an option is medicinal cannabis used to help the patient in pain. These can be tablets, liquid or a nasal spray.

However, there is NOT a single use where the only cure or help is cannabis. Other medicinal drugs are always tried and used first.

However, if someone cannot tolerate side effects of opiods or morphine based drugs and all other pain killers, then it may be suggested as an alternative.
This is never the weed form to smoke as far as I know.

If a sikh has a debilitating disorder causing extreme pain and all other options have not been successful, then of course it's fine for him to use it as a medicine. He will be a very 1% minority who gets benefit from cannabis only and NOT other medicines or other medicines are deemed unsuitable for him.

Blazin ji, I hope you get the point here as it does NOT have the multiple beneficial uses as alcohol does- You can't use that as a valid argument.
It's sole use of success where others can't be used for some reason OR don't work is a VERY VERY SMALL Percentage

NOTE_ More than 50% of people suffer some sort of frequent pain like back pain, headaches, joints, arthritis...etc...

ALSO NOTE_A small number of these try to justify that they NEED cannabis and will be forever harrassing their doctor. In reality they have usually used the illegal street version in most cases and are now trying to obtain it legally.

Their concerns are more recreational even though it may help the pain and they will simply refuse to try any other medicines first.

It is just that they will have something prescribed that gives them euphoria and tackles the pain. The doctor will try to offer something that specifally tackles the pain only. This is what they will refuse because they want the feel good euphoria as well not just pain relief!!!

This is how the situation stands with medicinal cannabis at the moment.

The GENUINE cases of people that really need it and have no other option are VERY VERY SMALL and usually suffering a life threatening condition.

So, the real genuine suffering sikh is probably not going to be your average sikh at the gurdwara but someone with far more to worry about than shall I use or not.

Bottom line, the % percentage of GENUINE medicinal ONLY users is very very low, no more than 3%.

So, there you have it- some real facts and information.

If you need any furthe clarification or you can't understand a certain point, then just ask.

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When you say cannabis as prashad, it is BHAANG, they do not smoke weed or "roll it up" like most people do today. Of course he gave cannabis, how do you think the army was so "strong" to fight?
For someone who has so much faith in existence of multi limbed Gods, as mentioned in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, it is a pity that this faith does not extend to the discipline, skill and courage of the Sikh army at the time being able to function on faith and love of Guru alone.

Out of all the drugs available at the time, I can think of better to administrate to troops for strength. Or maybe Guruji told his followers that all enemy troops carried two bags of doritos and a family pack of M and M's to further motivate them
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Weed doesn't make you strong, it makes you a tree hugging hippie with the munchies.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Bhaang for pain relief - yeah I understand that. Not so sure about any other applications for other people except traditional Nihungs who can follow their traditions wholeheartedly no problems.
I know, but it gives willpower. Which is a key factor, like seeing a scared buff dude going to go fight a motivated skinny guy.

@Harry pure lies! You are making a joke out of my serious words.
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A SIkh would get all the willpower it needs from Gurbani. And there is need for no other medicine for the mind.
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@Harry pure lies! You are making a joke out of my serious words.
I was not aware that cannabis gave you strength and willpower, I actually thought it made you lethargic and weak willed.

Bhenji, if you insist on making such definitive statements like 'it gives willpower' then I don't think you should be aggrieved when your definitive statements are exposed for being just an opinion. I have no problem with your opinions, you are entitled to them, they are what makes you, you.

However to glibly bandy them about as fact shows scant regard for the truth, and only damages your own credibility

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"Naam" Khumaari Nanka Chaddi Rahe Din-Raat ....

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I don't think there's any need of any sort of alchohol for Sikhs. There's nothing more powerful than "Naam". When & how Nihangs started taking cannibies is smthg to debate on but I feel Guru Gobind Singh Ji would never ever allow Sikhs to consume any such substance.
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There's a lot of misconceptions surrounding Marijuana use. For one, I reckon the media and many religious figures simply add to the negative aura surrounding the herb. I get that it's an intoxicant and Guru Ji said we shouldn't be under any sort of intoxication as it leaves us in a state where we cannot meditate on the Guru's name, I get that. What baffles me is that without knowing what sort of effect the actual plant has on you, people instantaneously slander it purely because it's a 'drug', 'illegal' and can give you 'lung cancer'. Bull-crap . Check studies and research into it before coming to your own conclusion. Obviously it does have drawbacks, but see, marijuana is not addictive, not at all. To say it's for the weak minded is kinda judgemental. So Barack Obama, Richard Branson and Arnold Schwarzenegger are all weak minded? If Becoming President of one of the biggest nations in the world is weak minded, boy I wanna know what strong minded is. But still, I guess my point is that you shouldn't let misinterpretations in the media or whatever your sources are, guide your thoughts. That is all.
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I know, but it gives willpower. Which is a key factor, like seeing a scared buff dude going to go fight a motivated skinny guy.

@Harry pure lies! You are making a joke out of my serious words.
Actually Im pretty Sure there's a Story about a Sikh named "Maskeenia" from Guru Arjun Dev Ji's Time. (I could Be Wrong.) But as the Story goes, well, as My Mum told it... He was a really poor, and Not the Buffest Person, But Guru Ji, wanting to test his Faith & devotion, sent a Messenger that a Certain Amount of Money was Needed for the Darbar. & Him, having Next to Nothing, found Only one Option to make the Money, and that was by entering a Wrestling Contest. & He WON. by the Pure Faith & Love of his Guru, & despite Not BEing the STrongest PErson, so it CAN HAppen Kamala Ji.

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We all have a protective shield around us known as our AURA.
This Aura is very fragile, which is why our Gurus preached follow
purity in Life.

Around us are many dimensions, in which exist many other beings.

When we take Drugs, Cannibas, alcohol and indulge in promiscious activites, this causes our Divine meridians/Chi energy pathways
to breakdown leading to breakdown of our Aura.

This allows these negative energies to enter us and attach to us to feed of our energies.

Its not good to indulge in these activities.
I have been studying these energies for the last 20 years. They exist, any one who pretends or imagines they
do not exist needs to think otherwise.
Satnaam

It goes deeper than this. Negative entities can come to us through thought and dreams aswell. When we are in pain(which can also come on when we think negative thoughts) - we live in a hellish state of mind, i.e we connect with hells realms- and can connect with entities who reside there.

When we live in pleasure, we live in a heavenly state of mind and so connect with heavenly realms and can connect with entities that reside there.

The mere serious thought/intention of taking cannabis is enough for negative entities to run to us.

Basically, our thoughts/psychology as well as actions determine what kind of state of mind we'll live in and what kinds of energies we'll give off. Negative entities love hanging around in the shadow of one who gives off a dark energy(due to a messed up psychology)- depending on the entities psychology.

If negativity exists, it's just symbolic reflection of ones own inadequacies- and it's God teaching a fault still exists so work on it. The Guru's psychology was pure- it was Truth, hence the feeling people got when in their presence- (hearts melted)they lived the Truth frequency.

The Gurus did not teach that we should seek Protection. They Taught us Truth in the very first line, in the first page of Gurbani.

They taught that God is All(Nirboah and Nirvair) and to accept Him in All- to accept Hukam which is Truth/Him.

Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.

So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||

That taught us to Practice/Apply the Truth and Only the Truth. From what should we seek protection from when He is All. He is the demon that attacks the mentally ill human in the night, He is the ghost that throws things around the elderly couples house.

The Only way to become psychologically sound is to Accept God as and in All- in the ghost, as the devil, as the hukam to be burned alive on a hotplate, in the hukam to be nailed alive to the Cross- to accept that No protection is needed, for He is All pervading. This is simply His Khel.

We strive to Accept hukam in all circumstances, diregarding the self as nothing, living at the feet of others, finding the death of the self by accepting Him as our keeper.

This is the psychology of Truth..



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