Sign Up |  Live StatsLive Stats    Articles 35,351| Comments 159,839| Members 17,822, Newest sakinazahraa| Online 244
Home Contact
 (Forgotten?): 
    Sikhism

   
                                                                     Your Banner Here!    

NITNAYM: The Daily Grind?

Our Donation Goal : Why Donate? : Donate Today! : Donate Anonymously (ਗੁਪਤ) : Our Family of Supporters
Goal this month: 400 USD, Received: 35 USD (9%)
Please Donate...
Related Topics...
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
DAILY EXPRESS NEWS (Sabah Daily Express) Sikh News Reporter Sikh News 0 23-Aug-2007 12:41 PM
Daily Prayers British_Communist General Discussion 17 22-Jul-2006 19:13 PM
TV (Daily Dispatch) Sikh News Reporter Interfaith Dialogues 0 27-Jun-2005 21:08 PM
The Ball State Daily News - SWIMMING IN BROKEN GLASS: Porn stars and politicians nt the different, united by (Ball State Daily News) Neutral Singh Interfaith Dialogues 0 15-Jun-2005 19:08 PM
DAILY EXPRESS NEWS (Sabah Daily Express) Sikh News Reporter Interfaith Dialogues 0 11-Jun-2005 15:04 PM


Tags
daily, grind, nitnaem, nitnaym, nitnem
Reply Post New Topic In This Forum Stay Connected to Sikhism, Click Here to Register Now!
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 04-Jan-2012, 02:28 AM
IJSingh's Avatar IJSingh IJSingh is offline
 
Enrolled: Sep 24th, 2004
Posts: 36
IJSingh is on a distinguished roadIJSingh is on a distinguished road
   
Liked 152 Times in 34 Posts
   
NITNAYM: The Daily Grind?

  Donate Today!   Email to Friend  Tell a Friend   Show Printable Version  Print   Contact sikhphilosophy.net Administraion for any Suggestions, Ideas, Feedback.  Feedback  
 
NITNAYM: The Daily Grind?

Register to Remove Advertisements
NIT NAYM (NITNEM): The Daily Grind?
I.J. Singh

My columns often emerge from conversations with friends; so does this today.

A reader, Gurjender Singh, responding to something I had written wondered about the banees that tradition tells us Guru Gobind Singh focused on at Vaisakhi 1699 at the initiation of the Khalsa. And then at a gathering of some young and not so young Sikhs, Ruchie Kaur, a bright young woman -- a doctoral candidate in education no less -- piped up: “Why does the Sikh Code of Conduct (Rehat Maryada) demand the daily grind of reading ad nauseum pages upon pages of gurbani?”

Why, she asked, such emphasis on nit-naym, the daily requirement of so much gurbani every morning and evening? What exactly does this meaningless repetition accomplish? How does it promote any understanding of what one is reading?

And finally: With so little time in the day isn’t this a waste?

Then she added salt to the wounds. “This is not just my question,” she said, “but one that many of us -- Sikh friends in school or at work -- often obsess about for it makes no sense.”

I readily confess that this has, at times, vexed us all. The riposte that all religions have similar requirements and recommendations is really no answer at all. It invites the retort “So what?”

To many the answer to the dilemma is simple: “We do nit-naym because our Guru asked us to.” The questions then come flying in our face: Which Guru, and when and where? And a raging battle ensues; the focus gets diffused and the purpose of the question entirely lost.

The first 13 pages of Guru Granth clearly lay out the hymns that comprise the minimal daily recitation. We know this because this portion is set apart from the rest of the corpus. Except for the major portion of Japji, the rest of the compositions are later repeated in the Guru Granth; they reappear, sometimes with minimal variation of a word or two, under the appropriate raga where they belong.

This puts the spotlight on the hymns on pages 1-13 and a natural inference is that they are to be specially read and experienced. This is what our tradition tells us and I can’t really imagine what other reason there would be for this special compendium of banees in the Guru Granth except as a core selection for a Sikh to focus on and integrate into his/her life. Given the history I would think that the selection comes from Guru Arjan who edited and compiled the Adi Granth himself in 1604, and which, with minor additions, became the Guru Granth a hundred years later in 1708.

Over time this small body of gurbani – the substance of the nitnaym -- has been embellished by the addition of some writings that tradition and scholarship attribute to Guru Gobind Singh. Historically, this was a Panthic decision made at the time that the Sikh Code of Conduct (Rehat Maryada) was formally codified in the last century from the unbroken traditions and antecedents of the Sikh people.

Obviously I have stated only my view; I haven’t really cited any evidence to support it beyond unbroken tradition. But this is likely how we have arrived at the composite collection of hymns of varying length that comprise the generally accepted banees that are to be read by a Sikh who follows the requirements of the faith. In practice, minor variations on the number and the selections exist even today.

Remember that the Rehat Maryada only codified existing traditions; it didn’t invent any de novo. How did the compositions that exist from page 1 to page 13 inclusive evolve into such a foundational role in a Sikh life; when exactly, how and by the mandate of which Guru, are not easy questions to delve into. The best I can do is to defer such concerns to another day. Perhaps the readers of this column will help me cogitate on matters that I am leaving unexplored at this time.

Today my focus is deliberately limited to the import of the nitnaym. Why do it – the meaning and the purpose. My initial stance on this is meant rile up readers. But indulge me a little longer. I hope to present a more useful rationale for the nitnaym.

It seems to me that most Sikhs can be classified into two categories: There are those that avow that continuous repetition of the name of God is the only true meditation and the goal of life, while rational analyses are just head games that find no place in God’s divine court. Thus salvation and liberation lie in the virtues of endless repetition of God’s name. They recommend “Naam dhyanaa” or Naam japnaa – as the primary virtue. Such believers cite endless lines of gurbani to buttress and promote this panacea for saving us from ourselves.

In support of this view we can cite the universal popularity of akhand paath – an unbroken, continuous reading of the entire Guru Granth over a 48 hour period, usually completed with minimal, if any, attention to meaning or context. I also add the popularity of practices like completing 51, 101 or some such number of recitations of the Sukhmani Sahib or repeating specific selections from the Guru Granth for 40 days or some such duration. A widespread practice I see is that of repeating the one word “Waheguru” in an uninterrupted stream for minutes or hours every day. These practices pass for simran in most cases and are likely useful exercises for focusing the mind.

The practitioners of this point out many exhortations – here I provide two that are oft-repeated: “Saṯgur jinī ḏẖi▫ā▫i▫ā se ṯaripaṯ agẖāhī, Guru Granth, p.88, Line 19 (Those who meditate on the True Guru are sated) and “Jinī ṯū ik man sacẖ ḏẖi▫ā▫i▫ā ṯin kā sabẖ ḏukẖ gavā▫i▫ā, Guru Granth, p. 301, Line 8 (Those who meditate on You, O True Lord, single-mindedly are freed from all suffering).
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/37828-nitnaym-the-daily-grind.html

Then there are those (second category of Sikhs here) that repeatedly cite from Guru Granth to promote a dialogue with the Guru and an engagement with the message. These detractors label such repetitive pursuits as mindless parroting that diminish and demean gurbani. Physically taxing these habits surely are but are they instructive or transformative? In most cases, likely not! That’s my personal bias.

I see that the words dhiyaaya or “dhiyaana” come from the same root word “dhyaan” which means to pay attention or to contemplate, not mindless parroting in an endless cycle. This becomes clear from the Norma loquendi of ordinary everyday conversation when we speak of dhyan dena or dhyan karna, meaning respectively to give thought or pays attention. And attention to any matter or anybody, as we all know, requires the mind.

Experiencing the divine does not come from mere prattling of the name; bluntly warns the Guru Granth “Ram naam sabh ko kahae, kahiyae Ram na hoye,” p 491.

I am largely supportive of this somewhat rational notional view but it still leaves the young lady’s demurral about nitnaym and the question of her generation about its endless or thoughtless repetition on the table – relatively unaddressed. Is there any merit then to the directive that a Sikh must recite the nitnaym every day?

Even though reasoning by examples can land us into a quagmire, nevertheless, a few examples from life might help us move along the analytical process. I warn you that analogies go only so far; pushing them beyond their limits is distracting, misleading, unproductive and risky.

How do we train a soldier? What exactly is the purpose of the proverbial and much derided boot camp? The constant repetition, tedious, boring and tiresome, does not wait for the convenience of the trainee or whether the trainee is awake and rested. It is to make the recruit jump off the bed even when half dead with fear, fatigue and hunger -- weapon at the ready with the mind reacting reflexively, intuitively and instinctively – without pausing even a moment for rational analysis. The idea is for the training to become integral to the trainee’s sense of self and the driving force of his life. Waiting for a reasonable analysis may well tilt the battle towards defeat and death.

Another analogy: A budding physician learns the fundamentals of health and disease in the comparative luxury of a classroom, but what transforms one into a functionally competent independent physician is the back-breaking residency. It is here when days and nights merge into each other that he/she learns to react instinctively at a moment’s notice to a patient’s critical needs. An emergency is not the time to explore the textbooks.

But you say, “I’d never a soldier be for I am not joining any man’s army; also don’t want to be a physician. I am an ordinary Sikh in an ordinary job that puts enough food on the table and meets my needs just fine.

So I add a third example that is universal and without which we would never have much of a life: How does a child become a functioning adult? How does he/she learn basic life-skills?

The child starts with the alphabet. Think of the time, repetition and the years it takes to get beyond C-A-T and so on to imbibe the fundamentals of how to string letters together to make words that make sense – then move on to the complexities of sentence structure and the many shades of meaning inherent in them, some that are hidden in the linguist and cultural context.

A similar boot camp awaits the child in mastering numbers and how to manipulate them. Without the life affirming skills of the three R’s a child would surely remain dysfunctional and be lost in contemporary society. A lot of disciplined practice, tons of repetition and memorization go into mastering the skills for manipulating numbers and playing meaningfully with words.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37828

In the final analysis, the purpose of learning the 3-R’s is not to just cram and be able to regurgitate on demand, but to find a defining place for them in life.

The purpose of nitnaym, too, is not just to practice its repetition to ensure that it is embedded in memory as in the elementary meaning of naam japnaa – as important as that is -- but to make it an exercise in reflection (dhianaa) – or as in another common expression as naam kamana, literally meaning to earn naam which can only come from living it.

Living an idea requires some understanding and mastery of it. And mastering every new skill, from the most trivial to the most complex — from swimming to rocket science mandates the grind of repetitive practice. As skill increases, joy progressively replaces the grinding ennui.

The idea of the nitnaym is no different from the 3-R’s; the memorization of the basics is learned early, the nuances of its usage takes a lifetime to work out. The trouble is that many of us get stuck at the level of C-A-T – never moving beyond that; it would be somewhat like never acquiring the ability to count from one to twenty without recourse to one’s fingers and toes.

Keep your eye on the ball, it is only mindful attention that matters; all else is cant and a waste; Guru Granth (p. 594) reminds us, “Dithhay mukt na hovayee jichar sabd na karay vichar.” It also asks us to note (p. 261) that a single word enshrined within can transform us (“Ek akhar har mun basat, Guru Nanak hote nihaal.”), and that the entire creation inheres in the Word ("Akhar meh tribhavan prabh dharay").

What discipline and repetition do is to make it possible for a set of meanings and values to become integrated into one’s life and even shape it. This then becomes a game-changing formula.

Given the reasoning that I have laid out a natural question would be: Why should I continue to honor the conventional nitnaym? I would think for the same reason that we unquestioningly follow most of the social mores of the community that nurtures us; any departures we make are usually not significant or outrageous. Our compliance increasingly reinforces the social compact that exists between us, our community, and our history.

The best doctors and soldiers continue to repeatedly nurture their basic training even as they keep adding layers of new meaning and application to it.

At one level, therefore, I am less concerned about exactly what compositions one reads every day or which one(s) get missed some days and more anxious that the disciplinary process be maintained. This is not so different from the idea of exercising the body on a regular schedule; it is not that some days one may vary the regimen somewhat but the fact that a much needed routine is maintained.

In our core belief represented in the nitnaym, too, the discipline of the repetition is only a step, though totally essential. That, when coupled with analysis and a hefty dose of grace, makes the maven. And then it transforms the purpose and the meaning of life.

Religion is, after all, not meant to make a living but is a way to make a life here on Earth. As a good friend, Jaidev Singh Anand reminds us “Awareness of His existence is Naam; Perpetuating that awareness is Simran!”

And then nitnaym remains no longer the daily grind but becomes an essential tool in self awareness.

IJSingh

January 4, 2012




 
Do share your immediate thoughts or reactions on this issue? We value your views! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views with us.. Gurfateh!
Reply With Quote
The following members appreciate IJSingh Ji for the above message.
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 04-Jan-2012, 08:02 AM
Navdeep88's Avatar Navdeep88 Navdeep88 is offline
 
Enrolled: Dec 23rd, 2009
Age: 23
Posts: 278
Navdeep88 is on a distinguished roadNavdeep88 is on a distinguished roadNavdeep88 is on a distinguished roadNavdeep88 is on a distinguished roadNavdeep88 is on a distinguished road
   
Adherent: Secular
Blog Entries: 2
Liked 428 Times in 188 Posts
    Nationality: Canada
Re: NITNAYM (NITNEM): The Daily Grind?

I.J. Singh Ji,

I would be curious to hear your opinion on Simran... A lot of Gurbani is about Naam and praising God. For the second "type" of Sikh, where does Simran fit in, and what is its purpose, apart from a focused mind or other perks?
Reply With Quote
The following member appreciates Navdeep88 Ji for the above message.
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 04-Jan-2012, 10:22 AM
stallonjit's Avatar stallonjit stallonjit is offline
 
Enrolled: Jan 14th, 2011
Posts: 3
stallonjit is an unknown quantity at this point
   
Adherent: Sikhi
Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts
    Nationality: Hong Kong
Re: NITNAYM (NITNEM): The Daily Grind?

We repeat each breath that we breathe.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37828
We repeat every beat of our heart.
We repeat poor choices and dumb actions.
Life is a repition.
When it come to nitnem,people say why repeat the same thing again and again.
Reply With Quote
The following member appreciates stallonjit Ji for the above message.
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 04-Jan-2012, 16:58 PM
BaljinderS's Avatar BaljinderS BaljinderS is offline
 
Enrolled: Dec 29th, 2011
Age: 31
Posts: 133
BaljinderS is on a distinguished roadBaljinderS is on a distinguished roadBaljinderS is on a distinguished road
   
Adherent: Sikhi
Blog Entries: 6
Liked 184 Times in 89 Posts
    Nationality: United Kingdom
Re: NITNAYM (NITNEM): The Daily Grind?

Very well argued theory IJSingh veer ji!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37828
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37828

I do question how much love and faith a person has in Sikhi if they raise these kind of questions?

The glorious Sikh history is full of Sikhs who have recited gurbani at every opportunity and never questioned why.

I say a person who is asking these kind of questions and not being satisfied with any answer, is just looking for reasons to not do it.

Has she/he tried doing it? If so, for how long? Has she/he read the Sikh history, try to learn and understand gurbani? There is no point in asking these kind of questions if they haven't done any of these.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 04-Jan-2012, 18:56 PM
Gyani Jarnail Singh's Avatar Gyani Jarnail Singh Gyani Jarnail Singh is offline
Sawa lakh se EK larraoan
 
Enrolled: Jul 4th, 2004
Location: KUALA LUMPUR MALAYSIA
Age: 63
Posts: 5,596
Gyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud of
Gyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud of
   
Adherent: Sikhism
Blog Entries: 5
Liked 8,746 Times in 3,526 Posts
    Nationality: Malaysia
Re: NITNAYM (NITNEM): The Daily Grind?

What do we mean when we say..Gurbani is praise of the Creator ?
Is it mere LIP SERVICE....the Creator is TRUTH..Satnaam...He is fearless..He is Sans enmity..He is pure LOve..sans obligations..expectations..etc etc..
Are we simply supposed to say those about Him day in and day out and thats IT !!
Or are we in reality expected to EMULATE him...take some of His Qualities..like TRUTH..and begin imbibing TRUTH in our daily lives bit by bit until we too become BEACONS of TRUTH ( as Sikhs of old indeed were..a SIKHS WORD was his LIFE...oral word...TODAY written wittnessed agreements in front of lawyers and Judges are about as worthy as toilet paaper and we are still called SIKHS !!)..Arent we also to go forward in life becoming FEARLESS day by day..as Fateh Singh and Zorawar singh showed at age 5 and 7..or Bhai mani Singh showed when he admonished the executioner for trying to short cut his way out by severing the Limbs at the wrist and elbow /shoulder when Bhai mani Singh ji reminded him that the Sentence was Cut from JOINT TO JOINT...and each Finger has 3 joints...so please follow your instructions !!..or Bhai banda Singh bahadur swalloing the beating heart of his toddler son with only WAHEGURU on his lips..arent we sikhs supposed to become NIRVAIR bit by bit..like BHAI GHANIYAH JI who watered and administtered medical supplies to Muslim soldiers and Sikh soldiers wounded ...TODAY SIKHS draw their KIRPANS on fellow SIKH Brothers right INSIDE Gurdwara darbar sahibs in the August presence of the GURU !!! Not one incident but many dozens each year upon year...fellow Sikhs go to Courts to fight over Gurdwara seva...Sikh sons murder their SIKH fathers over land and properties....THIS inspite of and DESPITE THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of sehaj paaths, Akhand paaths, nitnems ardasses and Kirtan darbars and what not all over the world in huge numbers..why have we produced such a paltry number of Bhagat Pooran Singhs (i am embarassed to say ONLY ONE )..is it the fault of Gurbani or the way we TREAT GURBANI ?? why arent our daily nitnems NOT showing on our Faces and in our CHARACTERS..in our daily LIVES ??? MOST of the wrongs like fights in Gurdwaras are perpetrated by AMRITDHAREE looking Sikhs..long gatras kirpans huge round turbans and loud chants of waheguru waheguru preceed these fights......MOST Sikhs seen matha teking at Marrhee masaans Graves of MUSLIM PIRS are gatra wearing Amrtidharee "Looking" Sikhs..same doing akhand paaths at graves..and singing aartees in mandirs and putting tilaks on foreheads and keeping all sort of anti-Gurmatt festivals, rotuals, etc etc...also look like Amrtidharees...BUT their ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER than their NITNEM BLASTING LOUDSPEAKERS/Car stereos....
Reply With Quote
The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message.
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 04-Jan-2012, 20:12 PM
BaljinderS's Avatar BaljinderS BaljinderS is offline
 
Enrolled: Dec 29th, 2011
Age: 31
Posts: 133
BaljinderS is on a distinguished roadBaljinderS is on a distinguished roadBaljinderS is on a distinguished road
   
Adherent: Sikhi
Blog Entries: 6
Liked 184 Times in 89 Posts
    Nationality: United Kingdom
Re: NITNAYM (NITNEM): The Daily Grind?

Very well said Jarnail Singh veer Ji!

Everybody wants to talk about the truth but nobody actually want to live the truth. Answer is simple, only those who embrace death before life know true love.
Reply With Quote
The following members appreciate BaljinderS Ji for the above message.
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 05-Jan-2012, 05:29 AM
Ishna's Avatar Ishna Ishna is offline
 
Enrolled: May 9th, 2006
Posts: 856
Ishna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enough
   
Liked 1,229 Times in 552 Posts
   
Re: NITNAYM (NITNEM): The Daily Grind?

With regard to the perceived 'daily grind' of nitnem, I thought the end of Bhagat Ravi Das ji's shabad on Ang 1167 said a lot!

Attitude has a lot to do with nitnem. If you approach it as a ritual to be done every day because it is your obligation and you rush through it just to get it done, your only reward will be the satisfaction of having 'done your duty' at best - you're churning watered-down milk. If you approach it with LOVE and RESPECT and AWE then it becomes the real milk, full of spiritual protein and life-supporting vibrancy.

BYrau bwxI rivdws jIau kI Gru 2
bhairo baanee ravidhaas jeeo kee ghar 2
Bhairao, The Word Of Ravi Daas Jee, Second House:

<> siqgur pRswid ]
ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh ||
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ibnu dyKy aupjY nhI Awsw ]
bin dhaekhae oupajai nehee aasaa ||
Without seeing something, the yearning for it does not arise.

jo dIsY so hoie ibnwsw ]
jo dheesai so hoe binaasaa ||
Whatever is seen, shall pass away.

brn sihq jo jwpY nwmu ]
baran sehith jo jaapai naam ||
Whoever chants and praises the Naam, the Name of the Lord,

so jogI kyvl inhkwmu ]1]
so jogee kaeval nihakaam ||1||
is the true Yogi, free of desire. ||1||

prcY rwmu rvY jau koeI ]
parachai raam ravai jo koee ||
When someone utters the Name of the Lord with love,

pwrsu prsY duibDw n hoeI ]1] rhwau ]
paaras parasai dhubidhhaa n hoee ||1|| rehaao ||
it is as if he has touched the philosopher's stone; his sense of duality is eradicated. ||1||Pause||

so muin mn kI duibDw Kwie ]
so mun man kee dhubidhhaa khaae ||
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37828
He alone is a silent sage, who destroys the duality of his mind.

ibnu duAwry qRY lok smwie ]
bin dhuaarae thrai lok samaae ||
Keeping the doors of his body closed, he merges in the Lord of the three worlds.

mn kw suBwau sBu koeI krY ]
man kaa subhaao sabh koee karai ||
Everyone acts according to the inclinations of the mind.

krqw hoie su AnBY rhY ]2]
karathaa hoe s anabhai rehai ||2||
Attuned to the Creator Lord, one remains free of fear. ||2||

Pl kwrn PUlI bnrwie ]
fal kaaran foolee banaraae ||
Plants blossom forth to produce fruit.

Plu lwgw qb PUlu iblwie ]
fal laagaa thab fool bilaae ||
When the fruit is produced, the flowers wither away.

igAwnY kwrn krm AiBAwsu ]
giaanai kaaran karam abhiaas ||
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37828
For the sake of spiritual wisdom, people act and practice rituals.

igAwnu BieAw qh krmh nwsu ]3]
giaan bhaeiaa theh karameh naas ||3||
When spiritual wisdom wells up, then actions are left behind. ||3||

iGRq kwrn diD mQY sieAwn ]
ghrith kaaran dhadhh mathhai saeiaan ||
For the sake of ghee, wise people churn milk.

jIvq mukq sdw inrbwn ]
jeevath mukath sadhaa nirabaan ||
Those who are Jivan-mukta, liberated while yet alive - are forever in the state of Nirvaanaa.

kih rivdws prm bYrwg ]
kehi ravidhaas param bairaag ||
Says Ravi Daas, O you unfortunate people,

irdY rwmu kI n jpis ABwg ]4]1]
ridhai raam kee n japas abhaag ||4||1||
why not meditate on the Lord with love in your heart? ||4||1||
Reply With Quote
The following members appreciate Ishna Ji for the above message.
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 06-Jan-2012, 19:09 PM
aristotle's Avatar aristotle aristotle is offline
 
Enrolled: May 11th, 2010
Location: India
Posts: 148
aristotle is on a distinguished roadaristotle is on a distinguished roadaristotle is on a distinguished road
   
Adherent: Sikhi
Liked 229 Times in 99 Posts
    Nationality: India
Re: NITNAYM (NITNEM): The Daily Grind?

@Ishna Ji
That explains it well !!
Reply With Quote
The following members appreciate aristotle Ji for the above message.
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 06-Jan-2012, 23:43 PM
Taranjeet singh's Avatar Taranjeet singh Taranjeet singh is offline
(previously Twinkle)
 
Enrolled: Oct 21st, 2009
Location: India
Age: 32
Posts: 342
Taranjeet singh will become famous soon enoughTaranjeet singh will become famous soon enoughTaranjeet singh will become famous soon enoughTaranjeet singh will become famous soon enoughTaranjeet singh will become famous soon enoughTaranjeet singh will become famous soon enough
   
Adherent: Sikhism
Blog Entries: 4
Liked 514 Times in 225 Posts
    Nationality: India
Re: NITNAYM (NITNEM): The Daily Grind?

  Donate Today!  
Dear Mr. IJ

To spnadmin
: The post may be deleted or retained depending upon your personal equation with Mr.IJ.

Regardless of content or the title of the post I thank you for letting me add few words to my vocabulary. Also kindly thank Ruchika Kaur for asking such a brilliant question.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37828

You are a blessed soul and you happen to be a sikh and are worthy of respect on account of white Beard that you wear and the charming face that you are blessed with.

Permit me to suggest few things, Sir ,that would be in mutual interest. I shall number them so that in case need arises in future to discuss we can do that.

1. Kindly ensure that the Title of the Post and the contents are congruent.

2. While discussing Gurbani one should not cook stories .One should be fair and frank in expressing opinion.

3.One should not let the personal opinion grow so strong that it results in disrespect to few who practice that you condemn vehemently. You call it personal Bias.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37828

4. When you interpret any specific 'shabad' of Gurbani do not forget to give the conventionally accepted meaning and the meaning that you assign. It is then one can rationalize the things in perspective. Your post in question is about interpretation of Bhagat Trilochan that deals with incarnation or transmigration.

5. It is almost obligatory on your part to attend to the queries of the members. Hope you would kindly look into this so that we can be benefited by your views and can learn more.

You are an eminent personality and remember always that you owe this society a lot because it is this society and the Grace of God that you enjoy the present position ,that you can even influence some innocent souls. Some of us may be guided or misguided by that you opine and author and that you do reasonably well. Some of your comments are encouragingly discouraging.

It is my personal suggestion ,Sir, that you should come out with a full fledged book/Teeka on Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji or some other bani that you are comfortable with. I cannot assure but I shall do my best to see that it is published by some Indian Publisher if it is done in Gurmukhi. Needless to mention you can always find some English or American Publisher to air your views.

Warm Regards!

Last edited by Taranjeet singh; 07-Jan-2012 at 00:06 AM. Reason: sl.-5 added, Kindly
Reply With Quote
The following member appreciates Taranjeet singh Ji for the above message.
   Click Here to Donate Now!

Support Us!
Become a Promoter!
Gurfateh ji, you can become a SPN Promoter by Donating as little as $10 each month. With limited resources & high operational costs, your donations make it possible for us to deliver a quality website and spread the teachings of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, to serve & uplift humanity. Every contribution counts. Donate Generously. Gurfateh!
ReplyPost New Topic In This Forum Stay Connected to Sikhism, Click Here to Register Now!

Bookmarks


LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/37828-nitnaym-the-daily-grind.html
Posted By For Type Date
NITNAYM (NITNEM): The Daily Grind? This thread Refback 29-Jan-2012 20:46 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Tools Search
Search:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

» Gurbani Jukebox
Listen to Gurbani while surfing SPN!
» Active Discussions
sikhism Women's rights in Islam
Today 14:03 PM
3 Replies, 31 Views
sikhism Why is Guru Granth sahib...
Today 11:27 AM
2 Replies, 74 Views
sikhism Who is "Mohan"?
Today 08:48 AM
25 Replies, 471 Views
sikhism need urgent advice.......
Today 08:39 AM
18 Replies, 289 Views
sikhism Sant Siphahi -...
Today 08:35 AM
4 Replies, 67 Views
sikhism Description of the...
By naben
Today 07:01 AM
43 Replies, 793 Views
sikhism Considering Cutting My...
Yesterday 22:18 PM
125 Replies, 4,009 Views
sikhism Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi...
Yesterday 22:13 PM
0 Replies, 37 Views
sikhism Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi...
Yesterday 21:50 PM
0 Replies, 33 Views
sikhism ਸ਼ਹੀਦੀ
Yesterday 19:31 PM
0 Replies, 47 Views
sikhism How important is Matha...
Yesterday 15:22 PM
66 Replies, 1,166 Views
sikhism On a Scale of Most...
Yesterday 13:10 PM
31 Replies, 1,308 Views
sikhism Sikh Diamonds Video...
Yesterday 13:06 PM
7 Replies, 150 Views
sikhism Herman Hesse,...
Yesterday 12:40 PM
14 Replies, 253 Views
sikhism ਨਾਮਾ
Yesterday 06:37 AM
2 Replies, 75 Views
» Books You Should Read...
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT +6.5. The time now is 14:18 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.5.2 Copyright © 2004-12, All Rights Reserved. Sikh Philosophy Network


Page generated in 0.77944 seconds with 30 queries