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| | | | | Sri Guru Granth Sahib: For the Masses or the Elite There is a trend to create a distance between Sri Guru Granth Sahib and the common man, woman or child on the street. There is a mis-leading representation as though our Guru ji were addressing the Elite, the Granthis, the Gyanis, the Parchariks, the philosophers or the like. This is a very false perception and trend. Guru ji carried their message and what is in Sri Guru Granth Sahib to man/woman in the village, a farmer, a simple and straightforward Jatt, a housewife, a child, a young man, a young woman without regard to their level of education (there was little organized in those days) or the level of their intellect. So there is a challenge here for all self professed people with acute knowledge of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib to self assess. If you cannot explain, convey or help in simple understandable terms, what ever you claim to see in the specific message of Guru Granth Sahib ji, you don’t understand. You are creating a disservice to Sikhism. So please when you write, speak or otherwise convey, don’t put yourself on a pedestal and talk in riddles. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/37161-sri-guru-granth-sahib-masses-elite.html Anyone can complicate, only the true simplify.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37161 Sat Sri Akal.
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09-Oct-2011, 08:17 AM
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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: For the Masses or the Elite During his time the GURU chose the Language of the MASSES to write Gurbani. The GURU avoided the so called "sacred" languages..like Sanskrit" like the plague....simply becasue these were for the excusive ELITE and the religious Classes, Royals etc...and the Common man was banned from learning it..nay even listening to or /using sanskrit was punishable by having ones tongue cut out or molten lead poured into the ears.
This is proof enough that GURBANI is universal meant for ALL - poor and rich alike.
2. Just like the BRAHMIN kept the SANSKRIT EXCLUSIVE fro his own use and for DOMINATION of the Masses...the modern descendants of the Brahmin..the granthi/parcharaks/kathawachaks/especially the DERAWADEE babas and so called Brahmgyanis Mahapurashs etc etc...who are in the forefront of grabbing GURBANI as EXCLUSIVE to themselves and keeping the Sikh masses AWAY from it at all costs. THIS is the main reason behind all the sudden proliferation of PAID Akhand paaths, absent akhand paaths, sehaj paaths various other types of paaths sankat mochan paaths etc etc whereby the Sikh masses are beng led down the garden path of superstition and Bharam and Blind Faith in order for the MONETARY BENEFIT of the "Brahmin in Sikh disguise". The GURU is now being increasingly "displayed" HIGH on Stages and BEHIND golden CAGES and BARRIERS...whereby the SIKH is just asked to Matha tek, place his offering and depart. IN the Harmandar sahib the GURU Sits AMONG His SANGAT...which should be the way...but not in other Gurdwaras and especially the "EVENTS" like kirtan darbars..etc...held in pandaals...THIS is a manifestation of the widening DIVIDE being put in place by VESTED INTERESTS. | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
09-Oct-2011, 11:47 AM
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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: For the Masses or the Elite The message of Guru Granth Sahib is meaningful, and is for practically everyone on the street. Lets take it to the streets, and then it would show its true meaningfulness. | | The following members appreciate aristotle Ji for the above message. | | 
09-Oct-2011, 12:02 PM
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| | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: For the Masses or the Elite Quote:
Originally Posted by Ambarsaria to man in the village, a farmer, a simple and straightforward Jatt, a young man, a young woman without regard to their level of education or the level of their intellect. So please when you write, speak or otherwise convey, don’t put yourself on a pedestal and talk in riddles. Anyone can complicate, only the true simplify.Sat Sri Akal. | Veer Ji I'm puzzled now because, I'm a man in a village, a farmer, a simple and straightforward Jatt, a 'young' man, with no level of education and low level intellect. This means Guru Ji was thinking of my instruction all that time ago!but I still like riddles like :Does a crack in a mirror still exist ,if you take away the glass? | 
09-Oct-2011, 14:03 PM
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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: For the Masses or the Elite GIYANI JARNAIL SINGH Ji,
I appreciate the way you have presented the state of affairs.I agree to your analysis regading the manner in which we are trapped.But I find that you are not offering any solution to this problem.
I think our 10th Nanak Guru Gobind Singh ji gave us a very simple hint regarding this.
Can we give a serious thought to a line of the Quote by Guru Gobind Singh ji which directs us as "Jo Prabh Ko Mil Bo Chahen Khoj Sabad Mein Lehen"
So there is a very clear hint that we have to meet Prabh and we have to find Prabh from Within Sabad of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji . Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37161Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37161
Now the question, have we found what is Prabh as being directed by our Guru.?No.
Therefore solution to the present state of affairs lies in knowing Prabh from within Gurbani and tell the same to all persons irrespective of his status .It should be clear that Gur jot(i) makes no distinction among its creation.
I think this way we should be able to come more closer to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and no any such person/persons as mentioned in para 2 of your message will dare to misguide anyone in conext of understanding of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji .
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09-Oct-2011, 14:31 PM
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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: For the Masses or the Elite Parkash singh bagga ji, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37161
I agree with you that the way out/solution is EDUCATION..learn Gurbani and get closer to the GURU in PERSON..Vichaar...in depth study of meanings..context...grammar...of Gurbani.....Dass is doing that in the way I can..through Gurbani Classes in the most modern IT Computer multimedia assisted way...and i can GUARANTEE that each one who passes through my classes WILL be genuinely attached to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji all his/her life...will NEVER even pass in front of a dera/dehdharee guru..much less go in and matha tek. They wont pay for any akhand paaths or sehaj paaths..they will do it all by themsleves..slowly and surely...I think this is the correct way. | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
09-Oct-2011, 14:42 PM
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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: For the Masses or the Elite GIYANI JARNAIL SINGH ji,
I am really glad to know about your activities and you are handling a great Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37161
responsibilty.I have similar vision but my way may be different, some may not like at all.
I am aware how difficult is to understand correctly anyone.It is always easy to form non existing opinion about anyone.But I strongly believe ultimately Hari Ji is going to take care of whatever happens.
With regards
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09-Oct-2011, 22:32 PM
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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: For the Masses or the Elite Prakash Singh ji,
Guru Fateh. Quote:
Can we give a serious thought to a line of the Quote by Guru Gobind Singh ji which directs us as "Jo Prabh Ko Mil Bo Chahen Khoj Sabad Mein Lehen"
So there is a very clear hint that we have to meet Prabh and we have to find Prabh from Within Sabad of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji . Now the question, have we found what is Prabh as being directed by our Guru.?No. | Would you be kind enough to elaborate the sentence in bold? I am a bit confused about it.
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09-Oct-2011, 23:04 PM
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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: For the Masses or the Elite TEJWANT SINGH Ji,
Wahi GuRoo Ji ka Khalsa
WahI GuRoo Ji ki Fateh.
It is my great pleasure to hear since last long time.I still feel the pleasure about I have shared with your goodself in a most elegant way.
Sometimes I was just sharing a point with a good freind of mine as to how to get a start for understanding Gurbani.Generally we start interpretation of Gurbani without any proper fixed reference and the whole interpretation most of the times remains inconclusive.
There was point for knowing such a reference and all of sudden the Quote by Guru Gobind Singh ji reflected that the Prabh can be a very good reference to start with Gurbani understanding. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37161
The observation of the word Prabh thruout Gurbani confims this .It is observed that the word Prabh is only such reference which has been categorically specified in Gurbani. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37161
So in this respect the refrence word Prabh can be a very useful to get start the understanding of Gurbani.
Then I looked for the meaning of the word Prabh from relevent Dictionary Source.Surprisingly the meaning of the word Prabh is SUPREME or ULTIMATE LORD.
Moreover we can find that this word PRABH/PRABHu is very common in most of sabads in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.In this context the Bani from Sukhmani Sahib is an Example.
So I have presented a point of my observation which seems to be quite relevent and
the Quote by Guru Gobind Singh ji is just miraculous in the context of start of understanding of Gurbani.
If you feel any deviation pl convey for my own considerations,
With regards
Prakash.S.Bagga | 
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