Egotism and Egoism. Does Gurbani or Punjabi Differentiate?

I think the idea about Hau-mei is not to fight it but TRANSFORM it. Whenever you wish to say 'I did this..' 'I helped them..' 'I know this..' etc, transform and replace the I with Waheguru. That becomes the cure!


ਮਹਲਾ ੨ ॥

Mėhlā 2.

Second Mehl:


ਹਉਮੈ ਏਹਾ ਜਾਤਿ ਹੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਹਿ ॥

Ha▫umai ehā jāṯ hai ha▫umai karam kamāhi.

This is the nature of ego, that people perform their actions in ego.


ਹਉਮੈ ਏਈ ਬੰਧਨਾ ਫਿਰਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਜੋਨੀ ਪਾਹਿ ॥

Ha▫umai e▫ī banḏẖnā fir fir jonī pāhi.

This is the bondage of ego, that time and time again, they are reborn.


ਹਉਮੈ ਕਿਥਹੁ ਊਪਜੈ ਕਿਤੁ ਸੰਜਮਿ ਇਹ ਜਾਇ ॥
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Ha▫umai kithhu ūpjai kiṯ sanjam ih jā▫e.

Where does ego come from? How can it be removed?


ਹਉਮੈ ਏਹੋ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੈ ਪਇਐ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਫਿਰਾਹਿ ॥

Ha▫umai eho hukam hai pa▫i▫ai kiraṯ firāhi.

This ego exists by the Lord's Order; people wander according to their past actions.


ਹਉਮੈ ਦੀਰਘ ਰੋਗੁ ਹੈ ਦਾਰੂ ਭੀ ਇਸੁ ਮਾਹਿ ॥

Ha▫umai ḏīragẖ rog hai ḏārū bẖī is māhi.

Ego is a chronic disease, but it contains its own cure as well.


Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37104
ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਜੇ ਆਪਣੀ ਤਾ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਮਾਹਿ ॥

Kirpā kare je āpṇī ṯā gur kā sabaḏ kamāhi.

If the Lord grants His Grace, one acts according to the Teachings of the Guru's Shabad.


ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਹੈ ਸੁਣਹੁ ਜਨਹੁ ਇਤੁ ਸੰਜਮਿ ਦੁਖ ਜਾਹਿ ॥੨॥

Nānak kahai suṇhu janhu iṯ sanjam ḏukẖ jāhi. ॥2॥

Guru Nanak says, listen, people: in this way, troubles depart. ॥2॥

 
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Thanks Veer Kanwaljit Ji for that,perhaps it is like a disease ,where the vaccine is derived from the disease?

Yes but it is effective only when we are aware of the hau-mei within and 'continuously' transform it into Simran.

See how Haume is translated as ego? HAUMEI does not mean EGO. Haumei refers to the duality, the separation, the disconnect of You/Me. Why they do that I do not know. So I am going to retranslate by substituting...separation and/or duality...the separation between us, of you from me. In this shabad the separation refers to separation from Ik Oankar, separation from oneness.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37104

ਹਉਮੈ ਏਹਾ ਜਾਤਿ ਹੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਹਿ ॥

Ha▫umai ehā jāṯ hai ha▫umai karam kamāhi.

This is the nature of ego, that people perform their actions in ego.
This is the nature of that disconnect, that separation between us, that people perform their actions in duality.

ਹਉਮੈ ਏਈ ਬੰਧਨਾ ਫਿਰਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਜੋਨੀ ਪਾਹਿ ॥

Ha▫umai e▫ī banḏẖnā fir fir jonī pāhi.

This is the bondage of ego, that time and time again, they are reborn.
This is the bondage that comes from the separation, from the duality, that time and time again, they are reborn.


ਹਉਮੈ ਕਿਥਹੁ ਊਪਜੈ ਕਿਤੁ ਸੰਜਮਿ ਇਹ ਜਾਇ ॥

Ha▫umai kithhu ūpjai kiṯ sanjam ih jā▫e.

Where does ego come from? How can it be removed?
Where does this separation, this duality come from? How can it be removed?


ਹਉਮੈ ਏਹੋ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੈ ਪਇਐ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਫਿਰਾਹਿ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37104

Ha▫umai eho hukam hai pa▫i▫ai kiraṯ firāhi.

This ego exists by the Lord's Order; people wander according to their past actions.
This separation of self exists by His Hukam; people wanter according to their past actions.

ਹਉਮੈ ਦੀਰਘ ਰੋਗੁ ਹੈ ਦਾਰੂ ਭੀ ਇਸੁ ਮਾਹਿ ॥


Ha▫umai ḏīragẖ rog hai ḏārū bẖī is māhi.

Ego is a chronic disease, but it contains its own cure as well.
Separation between us, duality is a chronic disease, but it contains its own cure as well.

What a terrible, terrible mistranslation. I wish it was made clear to me sooner (but by kirpa it happens when it happens). Thank you SPNadmin ji for taking the time to re-emphasize your point. The proper concept of haumai is essential and foundational. Without it, the idea of 'me here' and 'God "The Man" Bigguy' over there perpetuates within the minds who already have a propensity to think/feel that way. It is one of those missing pieces of the puzzle that leaves a new or primarily English speaking Sikh feeling a bit lost. The English just doesn't cut the mustard. You only get half the picture. And then run yourself in circles looking for answers when they're in front of you all along in the original language.

*facepalm* I wish I could plug in one of those little slides from the Matrix movie and download all the language info to get a head start on this!

One step at a time Ishna ji and May Guru be with you at every step.

Aye, 'tis so, Ishna ji

That is why we must try to learn even a little of the Punjabi/Gurmukhi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

When I reread the shabad a little bit later, it suddenly dawned on me...if our goal is to fall in love, if Ik Oankar is the Beloved, if we are seeking to be consumed by the Name of the Beloved, then that shabad is a kind of love song. Yet with Haumei translated as Ego, the love song is not heard, and the shabad seems more like a spiritual regimen. When Haumei is seen as separation from the beloved, from the pyaare, then a love song is heard. Many a love song is about the pain of separation. I too felt I had been cheated, as if for years, until yesterday. Then I understood the cure: There can be no unrequited love.

Isi Ji whether you understand or not ,he understands,because true love was never held back by a misunderstanding!