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| | | | | Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru Register to Remove Advertisements First of all, Guru Gobind Singh Sahibji de gurpurab di bahut bahut wadhai howe. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/34054-correct-pronunciation-of-waheguru.html
Secondly, Please help me on this:
What is the correct pronunciation of the word: Waheguru.
In Gurmukhi, there is sihari(i) to the letter h in the word waheguru. Do we pronounce it as WAAH-E-GURU or WAAH-GURU without the long A sound.
For example: In the word AAD, there is sihari to the letter d, but we don't pronounce it as AAD-E. Similarly, In Sat Shri Akal, There is Sihari to the letter t, and we say it SAT not SAT-E. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34054
My thinking is that there is a pause and stress to the letter where there is Sihari to the letter and not the E(long a) sound.
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10-Jan-2011, 04:47 AM
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| | | | | Re: Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru Quote: |
My thinking is that there is a pause and stress to the letter where there is Sihari to the letter and not the E(long a) sound.
| My understanding is the sihari is pronounced Quote:
b) Dr. Harkirat Singh jee Gurmukhi linguistics and Gurbani Bhasha scholars from Punjabi university, Dr. Harkirat Singh jee says in his Book "GURBANI DI BHASHA TE VYAKARAN (Punjabi)" ISBN : 81-7380-323-4, "g) The short vowels /u/ and /i/ were generally pronounced in the endings of words in Apabhramsa. Absolutely, the same position is found in the case of Gurbani. So, it is against the grammatical rules of Gurbani to reject the pronunciation of these short vowels (/u/ and /i/) at the endings of the words of Gurbani. Writing always follows the pronunciation, therefore, we should try to read the old writing in tune with the old pronunciation." To look at the complete abstract please go to:
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c) Gurbani words with and without laga matras are different:
aahar sabh karadhaa firai aaharu eik n hoe ||
naanak jith aahare jag oudhhara viralaa boojhai koe ||2||
The example of Gubani tuks with three different types spelling of the base word Aahar(Aahar, Aaharu, Aahare) shows that pronunciation of sihari and Unkar is must in order communicate three different meaning of the words (jobs, the job, by doing the job) to the listeners. Also, as we know in Gurbani words unkar & hora and Sihari and lav/Bihari are used inter-changingly for the same very purpose. If we say we should pronounce hora, bihari and lav then why not unkar and Sihari? . Answer is that sihari and unkar must be pronounced like other lagamatras in order to propagate Guru?s message correctly. | http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,2634,2634 | | The following members appreciate spnadmin Ji for the above message. | | 
10-Jan-2011, 08:39 AM
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| | | | | Re: Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru So... are there any instances where one would NOT pronounce the sihari or unkar? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34054
For example, should I be saying the vowles in brackets (which I don't normally say) or not?
Ek Oankar Sat(i) Nam(u) .. Purak(u), etc?
Sorry for the basic question and thanks in advance for any information. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34054
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| | | | | Re: Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru Ishna ji, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34054
As per my understanding the general rule is that if the sihari or aunkar come at the end, they are not pronounced but are there for grammatical purposes otherwise they are pronounced. | | The following member appreciates findingmyway Ji for the above message. | | 
10-Jan-2011, 08:49 AM
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| | | | | Re: Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru Re: Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru That is a good question. I always pronounce them. Always thought they were in brackets because they fell into the class of vowels that are dependent vowels, and are diacritical marks that are voiced/written according to rules for combining them with other vowels and consonants. E.G., there is no actual letter for "ey" and the sihari when placed gives that sound.
There are 2 classes of vowels
Independent: Ura (ੳ), Aira (ਅ) and Iri (ੲ). Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34054
Dependent: These are combined with independent vowels and with consonants and are voiced. I am trying to put a chart up to show them. Sounds they make are in the far right column of the chart. | | The following members appreciate spnadmin Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru findingmyway ji Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34054
Actually I think this is the issue being raised by Prakash S. Baggu - as to whether to voice them at the end of words or not. I hope he comes online to clarify his point.
In Kartar Purakh(u) I do pronounce the (u) as "uh" at the end. Is that incorrect? LOL I am going to have to listen to rajkaregakhalsa now to satisfy my curiosity. Hate that. | 
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| | | | | Re: Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru I always though the sihari and oankar were to "slant" the letter towards the vowels, rather than saying the vowel strongly. Its supposed to be subtle. I would definitely not say wa-hey-guru nor would i say wah-guru but somewhere in the middle. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34054
You ALWAYS pronounce the siharis, etc.
EDIT: when saying purakh(u) you do say the 'kh' with a (uh)
In case, of mat(i), you say the 't' with a (eh) Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34054
get it? | 
10-Jan-2011, 11:02 AM
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| | | | | Re: Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru Quote:
Originally Posted by BhagatSingh I always though the sihari and oankar were to "slant" the letter towards the vowels, rather than saying the vowel strongly. Its supposed to be subtle. I would definitely not say wa-hey-guru nor would i say wah-guru but somewhere in the middle.
You ALWAYS pronounce the siharis, etc.
EDIT: when saying purakh(u) you do say the 'kh' with a (uh)
In case, of mat(i), you say the 't' with a (eh)
get it? |
I agree - or at least that has been my own understanding, Bhagat ji. It is subtle but you can still hear it. Good example would be ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ prasaad(i) which would sound prasaadih with not a lot of emphasis on the "ih." Anyway that is what I am hearing in the gurbani file. | 
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