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| | | | | Where to give the 'Daswand' A very important question to think and to find the right answer from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji jee :- Where one should give ones 'Daswand' or the 10% of your true income for the religious causes as given in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji je and than in SRM.
Can some of our learned SPNers guide me? Should this hard earned true income be just donated to the Gurdwaras for their upkeep but in actual is eaten away by the greedy managements or spent on marbles and Gold plattings by the Kar Sewa babas. Should we spend it on educating the community about Sikhism or on education of needy and poor, on community health services. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/32054-where-to-give-the-daswand.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32054
Any thing from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji jee to guide us on these spendings????
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| | | | | Re: Where to give the 'Daswand' Guru Piayario Jios, Hardip Ji,
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji guides us.."Aakleen Sahib seveah...akleen keecheh DAAN...
The Basis is Akal..our god bestowed intellect !!
It means that we have a RESPONSIBILITY..a Heavy one to see that what daswandh we take out is USED and NOT MISUSED !! The Gurdwaras and marbles and golden palkis you mentioned is an example of GROSS MISUSE !! Can any Sikh living in say..Delhi justify Golden Bangla Sahib and the THOUSANDS of Sikligar/Vanjara Sikh Children denied a good education, simple Gurdwaras, Punjabi Schools ?? These GOOD SIKHS are keeping their SIKHI intact despite great ODDS and deserve every sikhs daswandh and MORE..BUT the Sikhs of Delhi would rather have a Golden Bangla Sahib than educate these Sikhs ??? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32054
Personally I have nothing against Bangla sahib or delhi sikhs..amrtisar sikhs, sgpc, etc etc sikhs and kar seva babas are all LOOTERS of our DASWANDH..but the responsibility to let them LOOT is OURS and OURS alone. we let them loot us.,
I wish the Sikhs were just as proud of a world class SIKH University as they are of the Golden Domes of Akal Takhat that they DEMOLISHED and replated with sikh gold to spit on Indira gandhis gold via Boota singh and sarkari chamcha santa singh malaang.
Didnt our GURUS have enough GOLD to build even one small golden dome ?? Show me one that the Gurus built ??..and i will donate my entire income for the next ten years towards another golden domed gurdwara..BUT since there is NONE....I continue to SHUN the Golak/Langgra nd Karah Parshaad/Rumalas etc etc... and give only to EDUCATION....of SIKHS.
Secondly Daswandh is not only CASH..its also TIME. Care, Sympathy, LOVE...all the THINGS that SIKHS LACK !! Hence No sikhs Visit the SICK..take care of the old folks in abandoned old folk homes, orphaned children, pingalwarra types of institutions...we just dont CARE...and continue to THROW OUR MONEY at the greedy commercial kirtaniyahs, bhais, granthis, beggars and vehlarr saadhs babas,golucks and langgars rumallahs etc...in a BHED CHAAL...the blind following the blind... | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Where to give the 'Daswand' As Gyani ji said and as you seem to agree, daswandh given to Gurudwaras utterly futile. I think if you took the daswandh that you were giving to gurudwaras and instead went out on the streets and found a homeless ( who was not obviously mentally ill because they wouldn't be able to manage it) your daswandh would be a successful attempt at inscreasing well being of the community. Thought I don't recommend doing that directly. Instead give the money to a reputable charity.
and this just cannot be said enough so I am going to second it here: Quote: |
Secondly Daswandh is not only CASH..its also TIME. Care, Sympathy, LOVE...all the THINGS that SIKHS LACK !! Hence No sikhs Visit the SICK..take care of the old folks in abandoned old folk homes, orphaned children, pingalwarra types of institutions...
| You could support Sikhi related animations (Vismaad Productions), Sikhi related video-games (Sarbloh Warriors died out because not enough donations were being collected) and Sikhi related art by (Kanwar Singh, Manu Saluja and myself).
Now supporting such projects (and people) is worth it because you know they are going to produce something tangible. Something the community can cherish. But I think it should be last on the list:
1. Non-Cash Daswandh, lots of charitiable service
2. Cash Daswandh to reputable charities
3. Supporting Projects that a community can cherish | | The following members appreciate BhagatSingh Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Where to give the 'Daswand' Bhagat ji,,you have added a huge load of value to my reply...thats a tiny bit of what daswandh actually means...and Sikhi Parchaar of Gur and immediate Post Guru days took off so well becasue sikhs practised real gurmatt style of practical sikhi as per Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...not the gross show off type now a days...so you had Nihungs constructing roads..instead of slouching around massacring goats for shastar blood tilak..and gaffing huge amounts of drugs bhang etc and treating the goluck as their own bank....sangats constructed wells, sarovars, towns etc....    :happysin gh:  rangesingh: | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Where to give the 'Daswand' Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh Sri Guru Granth Sahib guides us.."Aakleen Sahib seveah...akleen keecheh DAAN... | Gyanni jee,
Could you please expand this shabad with its meaning or pl post the ang number where I can find this particular shabad.
Regards & Guru Fateh.
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| | | | | Re: Where to give the 'Daswand' ਅਕਲੀਪੜ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਕੈਬੁਝੀਐਅਕਲੀਕੀਚੈਦਾਨੁ॥ਨਾਨਕੁਆਖੈਰਾਹੁਏਹੁਹੋਰਿਗਲਾਂਸੈਤਾਨੁ॥੧॥: Aklee parh kai bujheeyai aklee keejai daan. Nanak aakhai raah eho hor gallan saitaan ||1||: One should read (Bani) with intelligence, and then understand its real essence (i.e., assimilate it). Also, one should use intelligence in giving charity. Says Nanak, this is the True Path; other things lead to Satanic life ||1|| (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1245). Food for thought: Sharing Earnings, Wand Ke Chhakna. Because we are children of the same Father, we should feel pleasure in sharing our earnings with the needy. People who share with the needy do not oblige them or do any favor to them, but are just doing their duty which is expected of them. Sikhs do not give charity or donations to anyone. They share their earnings with them. The only Giver in the world is God. How can we give anything as a donation when we are mere custodians of the gifts given to us by Him? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Concept of Charity in Sikhism Dr. Shamsher Singh* * Punjabi University,Patiala. Charity is a key precept in every religion of the world. Its practical aspect differs from place to place, religion to religion and country to country. The idea of charity has social, economic and spiritual dimensions. Psychologically the idea of charity appears to have evolved from the deep rooted human instinct of sympathy for fellow beings. Charity is a gift to which the recipient has no claim and for which he renders no reward in return. Sometimes it is made purely from compassion and desire to remove the human need. Charity takes new shape during natural calamities, like flood, famine, earthquake, epidemics and wars, etc. In these cases government request the people to donate money and other needful goods. It is an indirect charity through the government though it is sometime imposed as contribution the people for good of the nation. Charity in Sikhism covers the main four basic conditions: l Charity should be based upon honest earnings. l Charity to for others for not owns. l It should be given at proper places to proper persons, Guru says: Through wisdom doth charity flows...(p. 1245.) Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32054 l Charity for a Sikh sevadar: If a Sikh has to act as priest (Granthi) in a gurdwara, he should take from the offerings (donations to gurdwara) as sufficient for his bare sustenance, under the directions of management. During the times of Masand - system they were given by the Guru from the offerings only for their livelihood. Altruist Charity: (Naam Daan) It is a new and unique kind of charity specially in Sikhism, introduced by the Sikh Gurus for the ‘life sublime’ of their devotees. It is a source of life and means of true living. Without acquiring the goodness and virtues charity becomes merely ostentation. The Purpose of Charity: Charity is meant for poor, needy, sick, destitute, victims and pilgrimage travellers. Charity is a principal aspect of religious life, It has importance in religious and social life. Morally to give charity is a self satisfaction or leading a good life. It purifies the heart of the donor. He seeks the blessings of God to give him more for donating to the needy. The act of charity also provides occasion and incentive for other people to take initiative. Charity has many objectives. Here only the main fives are given: 1. General benevolence 2. To help the weaker sections 3. Revival of the prestige and honour of the poor and to promote sense of equality. 4. Self purification, and gratification. 5. Divine grace. Many virtues of charity are mentioned in Hinduism: 1. From the fear of beggar’s curse. 2. With the hope of getting something in the future life. 3. To follow up the family traditions. 4. For popularity and fame. 5. From gratitude. 6. To be reborn in heaven. Basic Principles of Charity: Abundance is gift. According to Sikhism God created the universe and programmed to feed every creature. He is merciful and compassionate. Even in deep waters of the sea, He provides food to the aquaticspecies. To some one He gives more and others less, but gives to all. It does not mean that the creatures sit idle, to do no work. He gives to all without expecting any reward. He is so merciful that he provides the food before the creation of a child. Guru says: God arranged the food, before the birth of man (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 130) Even life created in the stone, its feed is provided by Lord (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 10) Prosperity is not just the result of some one’s own efforts. It is bestowed upon man as a divine favour. Prosperity of man is also a test from an other angle that the man who has huge money, he gives some charity out of it. God is benevolent to man and others, similarly he expects from the man to be merciful to others. Charity indirectly is an extension of divine mercy. Generosity of God is presented through the charity of man, It is not just an indication of man’s prosperity but it is constant endeavour towards sharing of hardships, and suffering. Thinkers divide charity mainly in two categories: obligatory or voluntary. Obligatory charity is collected from the prosperous, or it may be paid by them to the organisations or to the trustworthy. Whereas voluntary donations depends upon the choice of donor. Ordinarily it is not imposed. Guru Arjun Dev ji, the fifth Guru directed his Sikh followers, through the Masands, to donate one-tenth of their income in the name of God. It is called Daswandh. From the Sikh religious point of view charity is faith and confidence that whatever the man has, it is all the grace and gift of God. Therefore something should be given. If the receivers are not treated in a better way then charity has no meaning. If the donor gives something disrespectfully then the basic spirit of charity is lost. The true sense of charity always encourages the donor to do a good deed, but to do it in grace. Charity should be given sincerely. Charity means to give maximum what ever you can, but with dedication and devotion. Any charity which is given half-heartedly, or under compulsion, losses its true spirit. Sometimes we donate inferior or left out things and food. It is not only an insult to recipient but also tarnishes the image of donor. Such charity is never rewarded. Charity should be given with humility. In ‘hay days’ charity is easy and possible, but real test of donor comes at the time of adversity. While giving charity the needy should be treated in a respectful way and with good grace. Best Charity is impersonal/anonymous/undemonstrative: Another basic requisition of charity concept is that it should be made without publicity. No doubt sometimes its demonstration persuades others to imitate. In Sikhism it is considered that whatever the Sikh has, (body, mind and wealth) are bounties of the Guru-God. If someone helps the needy it should be kept secret. Exhibition or propagation is cheap popularity in the charity functions. Sikh charity extends the sense of brotherhood, equality and enlarges the better relation between the rich and poor. It eliminates the caste feelings. The act of secret charity lowers down the ego of donor. Our centre of charity is Gurudwara free kitchen where (food) is served to all holy pilgrims without any consideration of caste, colour, race and country. Guru ka Langar — is a good example and ideal of charity. The Sikh concept of charity is important as well as interesting in its unique nature. Sikh Gurus taught us to do work hard with honesty and share out of it for the needy and never depend upon others. This way of charity is a source and means of understanding the way of life and salvation. Satguru says: O, Nanak he alone knoweth the way who earneth with sweat of his brow and then shareth it with the others. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. 1245) In Sikhism begging is prohibited. It is unrecognized and unknown. If any Sikh donor encourages such type of charity to an idle Sikh (beggar), it is against the principle of Sikh tradition and Guru’s teachings. In the Sikh history Sikh is marked as donor not as beggar. Sikh charity is neither to show off nor out of fear or curse, not to get any return or reward in heaven, nor for fame and popularity. It is a divine order of Guru. A Sikh should be very well aware to give it at the proper place to person. Sikhism derides any kind of charity which is given from the money earned by unfair means. It also does not accept any offer of so called rich person, like Malak Bhago of egocentric nature. Sikhism deprecates concentration of wealth, materialism and consumerism. In Sikh history we find word ‘deg’ a Persian word literally it stands for cooking pot, but symbolically it stands for free kitchen or Guru ka Langar, to feed the poor and destitute. It is maintained till now in almost all the historic Gurudwaras.. It is a life giving source of Guru to his devotee to justify their honest earning for the gratification and glorification. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32054 Uniqueness of Sikh Charity: In Sikhism the holy congregational centers (sangat) were established at different and distant places by the Sikh Gurus during their preaching tours. These centers were named later on as Sikh sangats where the name of God was meditated upon and the purpose of these sangats to manage food and shelter for devotees. This was continued upto Guru Gobind Singh, Guru Ji said at his last time at Nanded. (This version is available in Suraj Parkash written by Bhai Santokh Singh): "Keep my langar ever open and receive offerings for Its maintenance". It was often felt difficult due to the scarcity of sources as Nanded was a distant place from Punjab, The reply of Guru Ji again mentioned by the same writer of Suraj Parkash is given below: :Have patience, generous Sikhs will come and will make offerings, everything will be made by Guru’s name. The Sikh idea of charity is against the monopoly. It always advocates the collective contributions or voluntary offerings. The Mughal Emperor Akbar while passing through Goindwal (The head quarter of Guru Amar Das) took the Langar and was highly impressed by its neat and clean service and good maintenance. He offered a large estate to finance the free kitchen. Guru Ji politely declined this monopoly offer and said Guru-Ka-Langer would be maintained by the charity of the Sikh Sangats. In our Rehatnamas, too, Sikh is advised to donate onetenth in the service of community. Bhai Nand Lal says: He who does not put in golak of his true earnings, will have to pass through a thousand hells. Guru Gobind Singh says: Only he is the Khalsa Who looks after the destitute Guru Ji again says: A poor man’s mouth is Guru’s treasury (receptacle) Spiritual Charity: So far we have discussed the charity of economic and social field. Spiritual kind of charity is another unique type of charity which satisfies the moral thirst. Without Naam (meditation) all worldly charities do not banish man’s ego: Without meditating on Naam If the man donates wordly rich things in charity, mountains of Gold, fine horses Elephants, lands many cows, even then Mind’s ego does not dissipate. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 62) Satta and Balwand say: And he (Angad) distributed Guru’s word to one and all, and shared all he had with them (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji: 966-67) God, his Word (Gurbani) and sangat are the main sources of spiritual values. God bestows these bounties, good virtues, compassion, contentment humility, self-discipline, etc. through Naam. Spiritual charity is an endless treasure of good virtues which is neither stolen nor finishes. Without obtaining the spiritual values and virtues all worldly charities are useless: Bath in sixtyeight pilgrim stations Construction of wells and tanks Hearing of Simritis If he (donor) slanders the saint Then all the charities go away in waste. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 575) Naam Daan (Charity) not only dignifies the man in this world but also facilitate him in the next world. ‘Naam, Daan Ishnan,’ the basic formula, stands for meditation, charity and piety. Symbolical Atma (bride) begs the dowry of Naam from his father (Guru) as gift (Daan). This dowry will bring credit in the house of In-laws (God). Guru says: O, my father (Guru) gift away to me the dowry of Lord’s Name (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. 79) Sikh theory of charity is a unique continuation of Deg and Teg. It symbolizes spiritual and material sustenance. Deg is to feed the poor Teg is to teach the tyrant. Both should go hand in hand in the world. Both these are symbols of self-respect. In our daily prayer we remember those who dwelt on His name, shared their earnings with others. ‘Deg-Teg-Fateh’ are heavenly glories with the grace of Guru. All charitable things are the bounties of God, Sikh is only a servant to serve these: Bread and water belongs to the Lord and (the Sikh) desire to serve the pleasure of the Lord. A true attitude to charity demands dedication and devotion. Total surrender to the God presents the true picture of this concept when we remember the words Bhagat Kabir mentioned below: Nothing is mine, within me O, God all that is, belong to you, I have surrendered all to you. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1375) A true Sikh in his daily prayer begs from the Guru God: Grant to the Sikhs The gift of Sikhism The gift of intellect The gift of faith The gift of confidence and The gift of gifts - the gift of Naam. Overall, the idea of charity teaches us many good virtues, values and help to make a success in the life’s goal and, on the other side, helps to overcome ego and many other social evils. Sikh community is understandably known for its hospitality and charity throughout the world. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You hear a lot of strange things about tithing ( dasvandh in Sikhism ). Some say it is a church ( religious ) tax, and they expect me to pay it and that is the end of it. Others say that when I give God one-tenth of my income, He blesses the nine-tenths that is left to the extent that the nine-tenths now goes as far as the whole thing used to go. This isn’t really true, is it? Suppose a farmer had 100 bushels of corn in the barn and he decides to plant 10 bushel in the ground. What multiplies? Is it the 90 bushels that he has left in the barn? Oh, no. All of us ‘farmers’ know it is the 10 bushels you put in the ground that multiplies. Similarly, it is the 10 percent you give to God that multiplies."
— Stanley Tam (1915-), American businessman and philanthropist
================================================== ====================== DASVANDH or Dasaundh, lit. a tenth part, refers to the practice among Sikhs of contributing in the name of the Guru onetenth of their earnings towards the common resources of the community. This is their religious obligation a form of seva or humble service so highly valued in the Sikh system. The concept of dasvandh was implicit in Guru Nanak's own line: "ghali khai kichhu hathhu dei, Nanak rahu pachhanahi sei He alone, 0 Nanak, knoweth the way who eats out of what he earneth by his honest labour and yet shareth part of it with others" (GG, 1245). The idea of sharing and giving was nourished by the institutions of sangat (holy assembly) and langar (community kitchen) the Guru had established. In the time of Guru Amar Das, Nanak III, a formal structure for channelizing Sikh religious giving was evolved. He set up 22 man/Is or districts in different parts of the country, each placed under the charge of a pious Sikh who, besides preaching Guru Nanak's word, looked after the sangats within his/her jurisdiction and transmitted the disciple's offerings to the Guru. As the digging of the sacred pool, amritsar, and erection in the middle of it of the shrine, Harimandar, began under Guru Ram Das entailing large amounts of expenditure, Sikhs were enjoined to set apart a minimum often per cent (dasvandh) of their income for the common pool, Guru ki Golak (q.v.). Masands, i.e. ministers and tithecollectors, were appointed to collect kar bhet (offerings) and dasvandh from Sikhs in the area they were assigned to, and pass these on to the Guru.
Dasvandh has since become part of the Sikh way of life. The custom bears parallels to Christian tithes requiring members of the church to pay a tenth part of the annual produce of their land or its equivalent in money to support it and the clergy, and to Muslim zakat requiring assignment of 2.5 per cent of one's annual wealth for the welfare of the destitute and the needy. Classical Indian society had no set procedure for regulating donations or charities, though references are traceable such as those in Parasar Rishi's writings urging the householder to reserve 1/21 part of his income for Brahmans and 1/31 part for the gods. The Upanisads and the Bhagavadgita commend "true alms" given with a sense of duty in a Fit place and at a fit time to a deserving person from whom one expects nothing in return. Dasvand is, however, to be distinguished from dan or charity. It essentially attends to the needs of the community and contributions are made specifically for the maintenance of its religious institutions such as gurdwaras and guru ka langar and projects of social welfare and uplift.
The custom of dasvandh was codified in documents called rahitnamas, manuals of Sikh conduct, written during the lifetime of Guru Gobind Singh or soon after. For example, Bhai Nand Lal's Tankhahnama records: "Hear ye, Nand Lal, says Gobind Singh, one who does not give dasvandh and, telling lies, misappropriates it, is not at all to be trusted." The tradition has been kept alive by chosen Sikhs who to this day scrupulously fulfil the injunction. The institution itself serves as a means for the individual to practice personal piety as well as to participate in the ongoing history of the community, the Guru Panth.
References
1. Sher Singh, The Philosophy of Sikhism. Lahore, 1944
2. Gopal Singh, A History of the Sikh People. Delhi, 1979
3. Avtar Singh, Ethics of the Sikhs. Patiala, 1970
4. Nripinder Singh, The Sikh Moral Tradition. Delhi, 1990
5. Cole, W. Owen and Piara Singh Sambhi, The Sikhs: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices. Delhi, 1978 W.S.
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| | | | | Re: Where to give the 'Daswand' Gyani ji & Bhagat Singh ji,
Your anger is well appreciated.
But the realities and practicalities of real life are much more complex.
If you give charity individually to the homeless loitering on the streets, then you discover that they are drug addicts and a part of organised gangs and professional beggars. You will see the money or kindness bestowed by you go down the drain.
You also find that SGPC and DSGMC run hospitals and schools. Do we or do we not then give donations and some time to these organisations? Or do we shun them because the people managing them also line their pockets?
Organisations like Pingalwara, Khalsa Yateem Khana, Biradh Ghar which were started by noble souls are now deterioting with the founders no longer on the scene. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32054Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32054
Also in the same Gold gilted and marble cladded Gurdwaras you will find public spirited Bibis teaching Kirtan and Gurumukhi to school children during the vacations and also inculcating good moral values in them. So do we or do we not spend money and effort at such places? | | The following members appreciate harbansj24 Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Where to give the 'Daswand' Harbans ji,
Yes, I recognize the concerns behind giving directly to homeless. Along with what you said, some of the genuine homeless DO have self-respect, and are not so willing to take.
Are they really earning a living or swimming in a room full of money? How would we know? Its hard to differentiate. We just have to make a judgement and go with it. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32054Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32054
It is hard to choose but the internet has connected us to many more people that we would ever be, I think if we worked at it we could identify proper charities and projects... even gurudwaras...out of the whole mess. | | The following members appreciate BhagatSingh Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Where to give the 'Daswand' Why restrict yourself to charities and causes with a Sikhi focus? They are important but all of humanity needs help. Bhai Kanhaiya Ji served water to all regardless of religion or background | | The following members appreciate findingmyway Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Where to give the 'Daswand' Thasnks findingmyway ji, for this courageous suggestion. I too have often wondered that why should I be restrained on religious grounds alone.
As Bhagat Singh ji has pointed out the internet has made it possible to identify worthy causes and organisations. | 
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