A Sikh Marrying in Different Caste

manas_ki_jaat · #1 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2010, 13:46 PM

SSA all members,

I never believe in castes but my parents strongly believe in caste system. The problem has risen when i told my parents that i love a girl who doesn't belong to our caste. According to my parents the girl belongs to scheduled caste. i told my parents that the girl's family has strongly believe in Sikhism, so what is the problem. But my parents don't want to listen anything and strongly deny from the marriage.

This thing is fading my faith from religions. Now i think that if religious scriptures are not able to change the thinking of people from years, what is the benefit of these religions?
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if loving someone is wrong then all the love in this world is wrong.

If parents teach that break the promise you have done with someone then how can i keep all the promises made with my parents.

If someone thinks i am wrong, tell me, i appreciate the feedback.

Plz help me, how can i make my parents agree 4 marriage?

Narayanjot Kaur · #2 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2010, 13:55 PM

manas_ki_jaat ji

Welcome first of all to SPN. Your question has been asked many times here before. Each time the members have taken this issue to heart and have given their honest and sincere answers. They do not always agree with each other. But you can be certain that all sides of the problem that you are now facing will be taken seriously and the feedback will be supportive.
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In the end you will have to read, reflect, judge for yourself as you read their replies. And you will have to make up your own mind. But your questions will be taken very seriously here.

manas_ki_jaat · #3 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2010, 14:03 PM

thanks narayanjot
i know this question has already been here many times by other members. i have read there answers and i appreciate at least there is a place in the world where people sincerly answer to others.

Narayanjot Kaur · #4 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2010, 14:08 PM

Just keep checking the thread. And stay in touch with us.

rajneesh madhok · #5 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2010, 18:53 PM

Dear Manas ki jaat ji,
Firstly it depends upon which type of town or city live in. Secondly in which country you live in. I come to the first point. if you live in India in Metropolitan city or big city in India then there is no problem to marry with the girl of your choice but if you live in Small to medium town then there are so many problems which occur after marriages. As per caste system there is difference between customs, culture and rituals. If your financially position is really good then most of the problems are being solved but if your financial position is not so strong then the problems get multiplied.
I disscuss all the pros & cons:

As per your post your pareents are not so liberal. In such situation the parents don't allow the newly wed couple to live in the joint house and so to live separately you will have to arrange for the separate accommodation. So, keep this aspect in mind before taking any decision.
I would suggest you not to go against the wishes of your parents as if you are able to convince them then there is no harm to marry but against their wishes it will create havoc, to convince them you may take the help of siblings those can make your parents understand.
If you are independent then only you should go for taking the decision independently, if you are dependent upon him then wait for having an nice earning before marriage.
The love which you describe will shoot away in days after marriage when the reality you will have to face. Blood group caompatibility and thallisimia check should be done before taking this type of step. As in love related marriages one can go for these types of checks and it will be useful to avoid future health issue and having children.
I agree to you that marriage should be not bounded to caste colour creed and race. But my sincere advice would be to convince your parents first. First of all you should keep in mind about your before your regards to the caste of the girl and her regard to your caste. Though these castes have been formed by the man but in real life the caste feelings disturb the peace relations of humans. Please to convince your parents before going for intercaste marriage
As this is the question on which whole of the life depends. So, don't take any decision in a hurry.
As there will be difference in performing prayers and so after marriage you and your wife have to adjust and respect to the feelings of others. Likewise both of your will have to manage the children also. Though it is not a big deal but one should keep this point in consideration.
Keep in consideration about social bondages which are being created later. Now I come to the vedic theory, in that theory, the one's Caste is based upon Karma (Deeds), if the Scheduled castes are doing the job of teaching then according to Vedic theory that will be called Brahmin.
In your case both of you belong to the Sikh religion. The terminologies like OBC, SC, ST and the names of almost all the castes based on professions and this is not written in the religious books and scriptures.
If you are living the village then think not once but thrice to go for this relation and you must convince your parents. As in interior villages it would be a problem for you and your family members to move in the divided societies which is prevalent in villages.
Now I come to your statement that your parents strongly believe in caste system. You have written that the problem has been risen when you told your parents that you love a girl that don't belong to your caste and that the girl belong to Schedule castes family. Both of your statements should be considered. But firstly go for the points arisen from Point No. 1 to 10. These are the problems those create hurdles though both of you have faith in sikhism. Kindly go for the help of other friends and relatives to convince them. They will listen to your common friends and relatives.
Your statement that this thing is fading your faith in religions. How can you justify you. In which religion this type of marriages are prohibited. Kindly go through religious scriptures before making comment that "if religious scriptures are not able to change the thinking of people from years, what is the benefit of these religions" Have you heard about Manas ki jaat sabhe ik pahchanvo. Keep in Consideration the teachings of Gurbani Jaat ka Garb na kariyo koi which means tht no one should be proud of his caste. Concerning this matter your statement regarding religion is biased.
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Rajneesh Madhok

manas_ki_jaat · #6 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2010, 19:38 PM

Thanks rajneesh for guiding me.
I appreciate your advice. U explained so well and things are now more clear for me.
I belong to jalandhar city of punjab.
we both are earning and there are no differences in our prayers. The only difference is of caste and i know for parents its very big difference because they grew up with these kinds of things around and they are right on their place. I'll try to convince parents hope if they understand.
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Thanks once again.
I will keep all points into consideration before taking any decision.

Randip Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2010, 22:51 PM

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Originally Posted by manas_ki_jaat

SSA all members,

I never believe in castes but my parents strongly believe in caste system. The problem has risen when i told my parents that i love a girl who doesn't belong to our caste. According to my parents the girl belongs to scheduled caste. i told my parents that the girl's family has strongly believe in Sikhism, so what is the problem. But my parents don't want to listen anything and strongly deny from the marriage.

This thing is fading my faith from religions. Now i think that if religious scriptures are not able to change the thinking of people from years, what is the benefit of these religions?
if loving someone is wrong then all the love in this world is wrong.

If parents teach that break the promise you have done with someone then how can i keep all the promises made with my parents.

If someone thinks i am wrong, tell me, i appreciate the feedback.

Plz help me, how can i make my parents agree 4 marriage?

Interesting.

Without revealing my caste, I got married out of caste to a Jatt lady.

My family (apart from my mother and father), were adamant I shouldn't get married to a "lower" caste. Her family were adamant that their daughter not get married out of caste and viewed every other caste as "lower".

We are now married and both our families are fine. I Guess our kids are a really really low "caste" now.

Ensure the reason for what you are doing is not "Kaam" and it is because you believe there is NO difference between human beings. If this is the reason , then nothing can stop you!!

BTW, my family is from a land owning family around Jallandhar!

rajneesh madhok · #8 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2010, 23:38 PM

Manas ki jaat ji, Randipji,

According to The Bhagavad Gita Varnas are decided based on Guna and Karma. According to Manusmriti and some other Shastras the varnas are the Brahmins (teachers, scholars and priests), the Kshatriyas (Kings and warriors), the Vaishyas (agriculturists and traders) and Shudras ( Service providers and artisans)
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Flexibility in caste laws permitted the example is about the religious clerics such as Valmikiji to compose the Ramayana, which became a central work of Hindu scripture. Dr. B.R. Ambedkar has formally outlawed the practice of untouchability in the Constitution of India in 1950. Mr. K.R. Narayanan became the President of India and at present Chief Justice of India Hon'ble Justice K.G. Balakrishnana have belonged to castes formerly considered untouchable.

Now conclude yourself that whether they are actually lower caste or upper caste. Whether they are Brahmins or Shudras?
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According to Karma theory one can justify the caste system.
Rajneesh Madhok

manas_ki_jaat · #9 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2010, 23:48 PM

Yes randip i strongly believe that there is no difference between human beings.
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From past few years i am listening lots of "Kathas" by maskeen ji and osho and i have strongly influenced by them. I believe from years people are become parrots. They cram the holy wordings written in our holy scriptures but they don’t have courage to implement the learning in their life. Religion is all about practice, and it’s ridiculous what people are doing on the name of religion these days.
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If ever I tell someone that what you are doing is not fruitful at all, they start laughing and said you are too young to talk about this yet.
People said that “Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji” is our guru, I too believe. But guru is someone from whom you learn something. By just saying Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji our guru and not learning single thing from them cannot serve the purpose of life.