Sehajdhari Sikh Federation! Comments, Please

curious seeker · #1 (**permalink**) 10-Mar-2010, 05:01 AM

Hello Everyone

Could you comment on this:

Sehajdhari Sikh Federation
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/29484-sehajdhari-sikh-federation-comments-please.html

Blessings
Curious
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Narayanjot Kaur · #2 (**permalink**) 10-Mar-2010, 05:24 AM

Oh it will be very interesting to see what happens next. :happykaur:

ballym · #3 (**permalink**) 10-Mar-2010, 08:32 AM

The move seems to have fizzled out. It was more of a political outfit. However, such gurudwras of sehajdharis may comeup.... may be 100 years later.

Narayanjot Kaur · #4 (**permalink**) 10-Mar-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ballym

The move seems to have fizzled out. It was more of a political outfit. However, such gurudwras of sehajdharis may comeup.... may be 100 years later.

ballym ji

Thanks for your insights. My quick read of the homepage and also the second level pages led me to come to a similar conclusion. The photo gallery consisted of pictures that looked like political gatherings, rallies and public relations shots. There were a lot of "Sants" listed among the leadership. Strange. The home page commentary seemed to be specifically aimed at judicial controversies where it was important to define a "Sikh" for political reasons that were limited to constitutional issues within India. But I am not certain.

curious seeker · #5 (**permalink**) 10-Mar-2010, 18:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballym

The move seems to have fizzled out. It was more of a political outfit. However, such gurudwras of sehajdharis may comeup.... may be 100 years later.

Hi Ballym

Thanks for replying! I was more interested on some of the things said.

For ex,
'In 1699, all Sikhs were invited (not ordered) to become Khalsa. It is reported by the emperor’s own spies that 20,000 out of 80,000 able-bodied men, and some women took up the offer. The great Guru did not curse, criticize or condemn those who did not take up the offer! The Guru was just asking of His followers to take the fight to the Muslim rulers. He loved them all, Khalsa or not. And if you think about it properly, Guru Gobind Singh Ji had actually raised an army of Khalsa to defend, yes, the Sikhs, the folks who HAD NOT taken the Panj Kakari Amrit. ...''

It seems that the writer is saying that the Khalsa, was to be a special grade or order of Sikhs, Saint Soldiers who are specially called to an army of Saint Soldiers, called indeed, to fight evil in any way, but more than just spiritually.

He also goes on to say:

'' The Khalsa were the Knights of the Guru’s table. The Khalsa, and not the Sikh, was required to wear the 5 K’s, their uniform, as an outward display of their status in society, and their will to fight state sponsored terrorism.''

And:

'' This clearly means that anyone who believes in the above, without any reservation, is a Sikh of the Guru. Notice, that there is no mention of turbans or long hair. Notice also that there is no mention of any requirement to wear kakaars. That specifically is the code for a Khalsa, and clearly, that cannot be disputed. To be a Khalsa, one must bear all 5 kakaars. But to be a Sikh, one only needs to satisfy the three conditions listed above. ...''

Now coming from different traditions, I have to tell you that if there is no direct call in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, or well and clearly attested, by the living Gurus, for the final goal of all Sikhs to be Khalsa, then, most Non-Sikhs, and most non-Punjabis, will believe that the Khalsa was not meant for every one, and that attempts to present it otherwise, are based on other than scripture and will be considered to be fanaticism.

Thus my intention was for Sikhs to comment on the specifics of what was said in the article.

Blessings
Curious

Arvind · #6 (**permalink**) 13-Mar-2010, 00:33 AM

Very amusing ... must say that. That is what happens when a way of living is chained with some '...ism'. (!)Logical(!) minds putting definitions around different words as per their limited understanding...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=29484

Guru sahib has ready given the definition of sikh in the shabad - Guru Satguru ka jo sikh... http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat...ikh-akhai.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=29484

With Regards, Arvind.

dalbirk · #7 (**permalink**) 13-Mar-2010, 13:39 PM

Sehajdhari is also one of those terms which is UNIQUE to Sikhs . Are there Sehajdhari Muslims , Sehajdhari Christians , Sehajdhari Jews . This term is totally misleading , mischiveous & wholly constructed with some AGENDA in mind . Those RODAS , GHONA-MONAS whose only aim of life is EAT,DRINK & MAKE MERRY are out to control Sikh institutions & avail other minority benifits but CRIB at the very mention of KEEPING HAIR have devised this new platform . I may dare them just to leave Sikhs & Sikhi alone , we will be happy to be in a minority in Punjab but never compromise with the principles & beliefs .

curious seeker · #8 (**permalink**) 13-Mar-2010, 15:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arvind

Very amusing ... must say that. That is what happens when a way of living is chained with some '...ism'. (!)Logical(!) minds putting definitions around different words as per their limited understanding...

Guru sahib has ready given the definition of sikh in the shabad - Guru Satguru ka jo sikh... http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat...ikh-akhai.html

With Regards, Arvind.

Hi Arvind ji

Thank you very much, I did check out the thread and sure enough, just like I thought, the men of God do not divide men, men that don't know God do ...
Blessings

harbansj24 · #9 (**permalink**) 13-Mar-2010, 21:12 PM

Curious Seeker ji,
Apart from the political aspect, the article does raise some questions which cannot be brushed aside.
However IMHO every Gursikh's desire definitely is to be baptised as Khalsa. So the journey from so called "Sehajdhari" to Khalsa is a continuum. Some may reach it and some may not but that does not make them any less beloved to the Guru.

Again in my humble opinion the task of a Sikh, a "Sehajdari" or otherwise is continuous self improvement and sevice to mankind which includes protecting the weak against tyranny, "Vand Chak" and propagation of the concept of Simran or Naam Jap irrespective of caste, creed or religion. And ofcoarse as Khalsa the same aims are pursued more passionately.

In light of above, the conept of Khalistan being limited to a tiny geographic region appears absurd. For Khalsa the whole Earth is Khalistan.

However for the purpose of governance in India, a Sikh needs to be Keshdhari as per the ruling of the Punjab and Haryana high Court.