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Those who have been doing vichaar (in various degree or spiritual level) do understand that Gurbani does not limit joons to a finite number.

BUT this does not mean that Gurbani rejects reincarnation. If you are saying that sikhmarg is promoting this view than I say that sikhmarg is wrong.

I recommed sikhmarg writer to leave his householders life and run off to some hills away from the temptations of maya moh and start doing samadhi prompto as for him there is only one human life.

Human life, gurbani has made very clear is very difficult to get. Get from where??
BUT GURU NANAK JI SAHIB.."ran" all the way UP the Himalayas to TEACH the "samadhi entangled" sadhus/naaths.sidhs/Yogis that they are WRONG..and they should COME BACK DOWN..marry and have kids..and live like HOUSEHOLDERS.
YES we do have only...Gobind milan ee EH(u) teri barreah...and Gurmatt says a HOUSEHOLDERS LIFE is the BEST. Thats why ALL our Gurus married and lived a householders life.
RUNNING AWAY is the Cowards way out...a GURSIKH lives in the MAYA..and FIGHTS temptations...a LOTUS in the muddy POND.




 
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Gyani ji

i think you missed the meaning of the remark completely

it was a sarcastic advice.
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if human life was the only "path" to God, why did God even bother to create other animals, flora, fauna?
Huck ji,
I CANNOT answer that..per se..
BUT
Gurbani does say that the HUMAN is bestowed the SIKDAREE over ALL others on this Earth.
And secondly Gurbani also states that EVEN the DEMI-GODS..need and SEEK a HUMAN BODY....reason being that only in HUMAN FORM can MUKTEE be realised- Merger with the Creator.

Can you imagine a EARTH with ONLY HUMANS..and NOTHING ELSE !! what "food"..what clothes..what development..what evolution ?? NO vege to eat..no trees for wood..no animals to hunt.. wouldnt humans be cannibals of necessity ?? would then humans be "farming" lesser humans for food ??GOSH..what a thought
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i never came across this
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i never came across this

can you please share the reference?
Huck Finn Ji,
Page 368 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
“ਅਵਰ ਜੋਨਿ ਤੇਰੀ ਪਨਿਹਾਰੀ॥ ਇਸੁ ਧਰਤੀ ਮਹਿ ਤੇਰੀ ਸਿਕਦਾਰੀ॥” ਮ: 5 ਪੰਨਾ 374 Panharee measn servants..those who carry water for you..
sikdaree is lorship/sardaree.
The HUMAN is SIKDAAR..meaning up and above all other life forms.Human Life is special..foremost...peak of creation. This earth is for the human..to "rule over".Others serve YOU.
Imho such a concept is also present in the Bible...
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At other places Guru ji declares..EVEN the Devtas, angels, demi-gods...SEEK and NEED the Human Body in order to escape this cycle of birth and death and merge with the Creator. This means the devtas etc are also lower in status to a GURMUKH.
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ES dehi ko simreh DEV..."dehi" is human body !!
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Gyani ji

One tuk can often be miscontrued when read out of reference and background.

Here is the complete shabd:

ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥
आसा महला ५ पंचपदे ॥
Āsā mėhlā 5 pancẖpaḏe.
Aasaa, Fifth Mehl, Panch-Padas:


ਪ੍ਰਥਮੇ ਤੇਰੀ ਨੀਕੀ ਜਾਤਿ ॥
प्रथमे तेरी नीकी जाति ॥
Parathme ṯerī nīkī jāṯ.
First, your social status is high.

ਦੁਤੀਆ ਤੇਰੀ ਮਨੀਐ ਪਾਂਤਿ ॥
दुतीआ तेरी मनीऐ पांति ॥
Ḏuṯī▫ā ṯerī manī▫ai pāʼnṯ.
Second, you are honored in society.

ਤ੍ਰਿਤੀਆ ਤੇਰਾ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਥਾਨੁ ॥
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त्रितीआ तेरा सुंदर थानु ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26474
Ŧariṯī▫ā ṯerā sunḏar thān.
Third, your home is beautiful.

ਬਿਗੜ ਰੂਪੁ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥੧॥
बिगड़ रूपु मन महि अभिमानु ॥१॥
Bigaṛ rūp man mėh abẖimān. ||1||
But you are so ugly, with self-conceit in your mind. ||1||

ਸੋਹਨੀ ਸਰੂਪਿ ਸੁਜਾਣਿ ਬਿਚਖਨਿ ॥
सोहनी सरूपि सुजाणि बिचखनि ॥
Sohnī sarūp sujāṇ bicẖkẖan.
O beautiful, attractive, wise and clever woman:

ਅਤਿ ਗਰਬੈ ਮੋਹਿ ਫਾਕੀ ਤੂੰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
अति गरबै मोहि फाकी तूं ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Aṯ garbai mohi fākī ṯūʼn. ||1|| rahā▫o.
you have been trapped by your pride and attachment. ||1||Pause||

ਅਤਿ ਸੂਚੀ ਤੇਰੀ ਪਾਕਸਾਲ ॥
अति सूची तेरी पाकसाल ॥
Aṯ sūcẖī ṯerī pāksāl.
Your kitchen is so clean.

ਕਰਿ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਪੂਜਾ ਤਿਲਕੁ ਲਾਲ ॥
करि इसनानु पूजा तिलकु लाल ॥
Kar isnān pūjā ṯilak lāl.
You take your bath, and worship, and apply the crimson mark upon your forehead;

ਗਲੀ ਗਰਬਹਿ ਮੁਖਿ ਗੋਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨ ॥
गली गरबहि मुखि गोवहि गिआन ॥
Galī garbėh mukẖ govėh gi▫ān.
with your mouth you speak wisdom, but you are destroyed by pride.

ਸਭ ਬਿਧਿ ਖੋਈ ਲੋਭਿ ਸੁਆਨ ॥੨॥
सभ बिधि खोई लोभि सुआन ॥२॥
Sabẖ biḏẖ kẖo▫ī lobẖ su▫ān. ||2||
The dog of greed has ruined you in every way. ||2||

ਕਾਪਰ ਪਹਿਰਹਿ ਭੋਗਹਿ ਭੋਗ ॥
कापर पहिरहि भोगहि भोग ॥
Kāpar pahirahi bẖogėh bẖog.
You wear your robes and enjoy pleasures;

ਆਚਾਰ ਕਰਹਿ ਸੋਭਾ ਮਹਿ ਲੋਗ ॥
आचार करहि सोभा महि लोग ॥
Ācẖār karahi sobẖā mėh log.
you practice good conduct to impress people;

ਚੋਆ ਚੰਦਨ ਸੁਗੰਧ ਬਿਸਥਾਰ ॥
चोआ चंदन सुगंध बिसथार ॥
Cẖo▫ā cẖanḏan suganḏẖ bisthār.
you apply scented oils of sandalwood and musk,

ਸੰਗੀ ਖੋਟਾ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਚੰਡਾਲ ॥੩॥
संगी खोटा क्रोधु चंडाल ॥३॥
Sangī kẖotā kroḏẖ cẖandāl. ||3||
but your constant companion is the demon of anger. ||3||

ਅਵਰ ਜੋਨਿ ਤੇਰੀ ਪਨਿਹਾਰੀ ॥
अवर जोनि तेरी पनिहारी ॥
Avar jon ṯerī panihārī.
Other people may be your water-carriers;

ਇਸੁ ਧਰਤੀ ਮਹਿ ਤੇਰੀ ਸਿਕਦਾਰੀ ॥
इसु धरती महि तेरी सिकदारी ॥
Is ḏẖarṯī mėh ṯerī sikḏārī.
in this world, you may be a ruler.

ਸੁਇਨਾ ਰੂਪਾ ਤੁਝ ਪਹਿ ਦਾਮ ॥
सुइना रूपा तुझ पहि दाम ॥
Su▫inā rūpā ṯujẖ pėh ḏām.
Gold, silver and wealth may be yours,

ਸੀਲੁ ਬਿਗਾਰਿਓ ਤੇਰਾ ਕਾਮ ॥੪॥
सीलु बिगारिओ तेरा काम ॥४॥
Sīl bigāri▫o ṯerā kām. ||4||
but the goodness of your conduct has been destroyed by sexual promiscuity. ||4||

ਜਾ ਕਉ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਮਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥
जा कउ द्रिसटि मइआ हरि राइ ॥
Jā ka▫o ḏarisat ma▫i▫ā har rā▫e.
That soul, upon whom the Lord has bestowed His Glance of Grace,

ਸਾ ਬੰਦੀ ਤੇ ਲਈ ਛਡਾਇ ॥
सा बंदी ते लई छडाइ ॥
Sā banḏī ṯe la▫ī cẖẖadā▫e.
is delivered from bondage.

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
साधसंगि मिलि हरि रसु पाइआ ॥
Sāḏẖsang mil har ras pā▫i▫ā.
Joining the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, the Lord's sublime essence is obtained.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਫਲ ਓਹ ਕਾਇਆ ॥੫॥
कहु नानक सफल ओह काइआ ॥५॥
Kaho Nānak safal oh kā▫i▫ā. ||5||
Says Nanak, how fruitful is that body. ||5||

ਸਭਿ ਰੂਪ ਸਭਿ ਸੁਖ ਬਨੇ ਸੁਹਾਗਨਿ ॥
सभि रूप सभि सुख बने सुहागनि ॥
Sabẖ rūp sabẖ sukẖ bane suhāgan.
All graces and all comforts shall come to you, as the happy soul-bride;

ਅਤਿ ਸੁੰਦਰਿ ਬਿਚਖਨਿ ਤੂੰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੧੨॥
अति सुंदरि बिचखनि तूं ॥१॥ रहाउ दूजा ॥१२॥
Aṯ sunḏar bicẖkẖan ṯūʼn. ||1|| rahā▫o ḏūjā. ||12||
you shall be supremely beautiful and wise. ||1||Second. Pause||12||
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At other places Guru ji declares..EVEN the Devtas, angels, demi-gods...SEEK and NEED the Human Body in order to escape this cycle of birth and death and merge with the Creator. This means the devtas etc are also lower in status to a GURMUKH.
ES dehi ko simreh DEV..."dehi" is human body !!
You write "escape this cycle of birth and death " and yet reject reincarnation.

Awan jawan ie coming and going is the Sikhee form of reincarnation or transmigration and is not limited to just the human form. Though Awan jawan is not fatalistic in Sikhee, it is still a form of reincarnation/transmigration.

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