Ardaas Changed

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #**301** (**permalink**) 03-Jun-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajmer singh Randhawa

Giani ji, you are persuading Sant Hari Singh ji Randhawa walleh to join the discussion so that you may compel him to speak something in favor or against. If Akal Takhat has banned to discuss on Dasam Granth, we should distance ourself, Our motto on this forum is to discuss the change in Ardas. Some discussion has already taken place regarding Dasam Granth, that also in ignorance if it has been banned by Akal Takhat. It may not not be a supreme authority for you and some of your friends but it for us. So please don't go to insist upon banned topics. Sikhnet should also see into this.

GURU PIAYARIO JIO,
GURFATEH.

imho you are making too many assumptions on my behalf. I have just provided a link to a newsreport...and am not persuading/dissuading anyone. Posters can read and come to their own conclusions...many have been quite happy to attend and speak at dsm garnth seminars...isnt THAT also discussing ??
anyway Ardass was CHANGED and it has to do with dsm granth..so the two cannot be separated..as the original ardass paurre is from there and it has been changed BECAUSE of that fact.
You are again making an assumption about Akal takhat being or not being supreme authority...we must avoid trying to throw paint on others simply becasue we disagree. The "Jathedar" is NOT the Akal Takhat..IF he was..then he woudlnt be so UNCEREMONIOUSLY REMOVED at the BLINK of Badals EYE !!..ALL Badal has got to do is BLINK..and OUT the jathedar GOES..as Bhai ranjit Singh, Poorn Singh Luv kush..Vedanti etc etc has proved already...so its NOT "supreme" anyway as Badal is supreme.
WE MUST all endeavour to ensure that the Takhats are really SUPREME. I pray for the Day when the Takhats are really supreme in every sense of the word.....
UNTIL all SIKHS are UNITED and FACE up to problems facing us...we can never really move forward and overcome all these problems...weak sikhs make for easy targets..
Thank You.

Ajmer singh Randhawa · #**302** (**permalink**) 03-Jun-2009, 13:06 PM

Gyani ji, I agree with you that now a days Jathedar ji of Akal Takhat is not having supreme authority. That is just because of the political interference and the control upon SGPC by Badal group who are also offenders of Panth. I want the same status to the Jathedar ji of Akal Takhat as Pope of Vatican. But the Akal Takhat is still supreme and shall ever remain so.
Baadal has destroyed the valor and pride of Sikhs. He is not spared by the Sikh patriots. You can view punjabkekamine.blogspot.com and realize what respect do we have for these cowarda and traitors of Panth. He has all the family members to run his govt, other than his servants and the money he has collected on the cost of the dead of Sikh youths in Punjab, he will have to repay. That's the justice of nature. He has crossed the saturation limit. So leave him a side and come to the main topic.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/25092-ardaas-changed.html
When you are aware that Ardas and Dasam Granth can not be separeted and that's what we say, then what is the objection and what for an unnecessary lengthy argument? Let's give a full stop to this thread now.
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Gur fateh !!
Ajmer Singh Randhawa

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #**303** (**permalink**) 03-Jun-2009, 16:30 PM

The "lengthy argument" is for the benefit of readers worldwide to see BOTH sides and come to a conclusion. This si the 21st century...3rd Millineum..age of IT and Internet..Knowledge explosion...13th century methods of..I tell YOU..YOU LISTEN are long gone..Youth of Today DEMAND reasonable logical answers..not blind faith..annhee shardha..total beleif in so called sants and babas...and FORTUNATELY the GURMATT Gadee Raah Super Duper Highway... as shown in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Super Logical,Based on Solid FACT and REASON..and leaves no room for Doubts, duality, hocus pocus snake oil merchants to exploit. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Sarab kala SAMPOORAN..POORA SATGUR for ALL TIME..SELFSUSTAINING..requiring no external "aids" help/sustenance..support . Our Guru nanak ji - Guru Gobind Singh Ji - Guru Granth Sahib Ji Sampooran Guru...Only GURU we need.
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25092
The Shabad...the KHALSA..are all that BEGAN with GURU NANAK JI..continued and were brought to SAMPOORNTA under the GURU for ALL time..Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. As LONG as Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji IS...the KHALSA PANTH will always BE !!!

KHALSA ZINDABAD

Narayanjot Kaur · #**304** (**permalink**) 03-Jun-2009, 20:29 PM

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This thread has been closed. A number of readers have pointed out that it has been impossible to follow the original discussion related to the Finland sangatth and its change of Ardaas. The thread no longer seemed to be about a recognizable topoic.

Posts regarding Kala Afghana that were posted after moderator's warning have been moved to this thread: Kala Afghana: Discussion Redux at this link http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-s...n-redux-3.html
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Thank you,
Antonia