This thread is specially opened to discuss and/or debate the necessity of Yoga in Sikhism.Among the issues discussed here are:-

What is meant by Yoga ?
Is Yoga originated from Hinduism ?
Existence of Yog or Jog in other civilisations/eras.
Relationship of Yoga and the Union with God.

The discussions below have been re-located here from another thread called "Sikh Names'.

~ namjap ~
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Posted by amarsanghera

<<< You're claiming conversion started from Guru Nanak Dev Ji by His enlightening people. Yet Guru Nanak Dev Ji, as a Guru, within an Indic tradition of Guru-chela relationships and a Master Jogi was giving Charan Pahul, which is deeksha. >>>

i am surprised to read this.

Do you have any proof to back up this statement?

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<<You're claiming conversion started from Guru Nanak Dev Ji by His enlightening people. Yet Guru Nanak Dev Ji, as a Guru, within an Indic tradition of Guru-chela relationships and a Master Jogi was giving Charan Pahul, which is deeksha.>>> i am surprised to read this. Do you have any proof to back up this statement?

1. Guru-chela

ਇਹ ਬੇਨੰਤੀ ਸੁਣਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਮੇਰੇ ॥
eih baenanthee sun prabh maerae ||
Please, listen to this prayer, O my God.
2 Soohee Guru Arjan Dev

ਦੇਹਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਅਪਣੇ ਚੇਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
dhaehi naam kar apanae chaerae ||1|| rehaao ||
Please bless me with Your Name, and make me Your chaylaa, Your disciple. ||1||Pause||
~SGGS Ji p. 742


ਪਵਨ ਅਰੰਭੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮਤਿ ਵੇਲਾ ॥
pavan aranbh sathigur math vaelaa ||
From the air came the beginning. This is the age of the True Guru's Teachings.

ਸਬਦੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਧੁਨਿ ਚੇਲਾ ॥
sabadh guroo surath dhhun chaelaa ||
The Shabad is the Guru, upon whom I lovingly focus my consciousness; I am the chaylaa, the disciple.
~SGGS Ji p. 943


ਜਾਹੂ ਕਾਹੂ ਅਪੁਨੋ ਹੀ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ॥
jaahoo kaahoo apuno hee chith aavai ||
Wherever he goes, his consciousness turns to his own.

ਜੋ ਕਾਹੂ ਕੋ ਚੇਰੋ ਹੋਵਤ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਹੀ ਪਹਿ ਜਾਵੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
jo kaahoo ko chaero hovath thaakur hee pehi jaavai ||1|| rehaao ||
Whoever is a chaylaa (a servant) goes only to his Lord and Master. ||1||Pause||
~SGGS Ji p. 1215

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The guru-shishya tradition, lineage, or parampara, is a spiritual relationship in traditional Hinduism where teachings are transmitted from a guru (teacher, गुरू) to a 'śiṣya' (disciple, शिष्य) or chela. Such knowledge, whether it be vedic, agamic artistic, architectural, musical or spiritual, is imparted through the developing relationship between the guru and the disciple. It is considered that this relationship, based on the genuineness of the guru, and the respect, commitment, devotion and obedience of the student, is the best way for subtle or advanced knowledge to be conveyed. The student eventually masters the knowledge that the guru embodies. The word Sikh is derived from the Sanskrit word shishya. It is related to the Brahmacharya. Guru-shishya tradition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Master Jogi

ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਸੁਨਿ ਆਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ॥
jog jugath sun aaeiou gur thae ||
I came to the Guru, to learn the Way of Yoga.

ਮੋ ਕਉ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਬਦਿ ਬੁਝਾਇਓ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
mo ko sathigur sabadh bujhaaeiou ||1|| rehaao ||
The True Guru has revealed it to me through the Word of the Shabad. ||1||Pause||
~SGGS Ji p. 208


ਕਟੀਐ ਤੇਰਾ ਅਹੰ ਰੋਗੁ ॥
katteeai thaeraa ahan rog ||
The disease of your ego shall be eradicated.

ਤੂੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਕਰਿ ਰਾਜ ਜੋਗੁ ॥੧॥
thoon gur prasaadh kar raaj jog ||1||
By Guru's Grace, practice Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. ||1||
~SGGS Ji p. 211


ਸਭ ਜੋਗਤਣ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਕਾ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨਾ ॥
sabh jogathan raam naam hai jis kaa pindd paraanaa ||
All Yoga is in the Name of the Lord; the body and the breath of life belong to Him.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੇ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰੈ ਦੇਇ ਸਚਾ ਨੀਸਾਨਾ ॥੪॥੭॥
kahu kabeer jae kirapaa dhhaarai dhaee sachaa neesaanaa ||4||7||
Says Kabeer, if God grants His Grace, He bestows the insignia of Truth. ||4||7||
~SGGS Ji p. 477


ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜੋਗ ਸਬਦਿ ਆਤਮੁ ਚੀਨੈ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਏਕੁ ਮੁਰਾਰੀ ॥੧੭॥
guramukh jog sabadh aatham cheenai hiradhai eaek muraaree ||17||
This is the Yoga of the Gurmukh: Through the Shabad, he understands his own soul, and he enshrines within his heart the One Lord. ||17||

ਮਨੂਆ ਅਸਥਿਰੁ ਸਬਦੇ ਰਾਤਾ ਏਹਾ ਕਰਣੀ ਸਾਰੀ ॥੧੮॥
manooaa asathhir sabadhae raathaa eaehaa karanee saaree ||18||
Imbued with the Shabad, his mind becomes steady and stable; this is the most excellent action. ||18||
~SGGS Ji p. 908


ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਪਰਤਖਿ ਹੋਦੈ ਬਹਿ ਰਾਜੁ ਆਪਿ ਟਿਕਾਇਆ ॥
sathiguroo parathakh hodhai behi raaj aap ttikaaeiaa ||
The True Guru Himself sat up, and appointed the successor to the Throne of Raja Yoga, the Yoga of Meditation and Success.

ਸਭਿ ਸਿਖ ਬੰਧਪ ਪੁਤ ਭਾਈ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਪੈਰੀ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੪॥
sabh Sikh bandhhap puth bhaaee raamadhaas pairee paaeiaa ||4||
All the Sikhs, relatives, children and siblings have fallen at the Feet of Guru Ram Das. ||4|
~SGGS Ji p. 923

ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਨ ਕਉ ਭੋਗ ਜੋਗ ॥
har kaa naam jan ko bhog jog ||
The Name of the Lord is the enjoyment and Yoga of His servants.

ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਕਛੁ ਨਾਹਿ ਬਿਓਗੁ ॥
har naam japath kashh naahi bioug ||
Chanting the Lord's Name, there is no separation from Him.
~SGGS Ji p. 265[/center]


rwmklI mhlw 1 isD gosit
raamkalee mehlaa 1 siDh gosat
Raamkalee, First Mehl, Sidh Gosht ~ Conversations With The Siddhas:

<> siqgur pRswid ]
ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

isD sBw kir Awsix bYTy sMq sBw jYkwro ]
siDh sabhaa kar aasan baithay sant sabhaa jaikaaro.
The Siddhas formed an assembly; sitting in their Yogic postures, they shouted, "Salute this gathering of Saints."

iqsu AwgY rhrwis hmwrI swcw Apr Apwro ]
tis aagai rahraas hamaaree saachaa apar apaaro.
I offer my salutation to the One who is true, infinite and incomparably beautiful.

msqku kwit DrI iqsu AwgY qnu mnu AwgY dyau ]
mastak kaat Dharee tis aagai tan man aagai day-o.
I cut off my head, and offer it to Him; I dedicate my body and mind to Him.

nwnk sMqu imlY scu pweIAY shj Bwie jsu lyau ]1]
naanak sant milai sach paa-ee-ai sahj bhaa-ay jas lay-o. ||1||
O Nanak, meeting with the Saints, Truth is obtained, and one is spontaneously blessed with distinction. ||1||

ikAw BvIAY sic sUcw hoie ]
ki-aa bhavee-ai sach soochaa ho-ay.
What is the use of wandering around? Purity comes only through Truth.

swc sbd ibnu mukiq n koie ]1] rhwau ]
saach sabad bin mukat na ko-ay. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Without the True Word of the Shabad, no one finds liberation. ||1||Pause||
~Sidh Gosht
A Gateway to Sikhism | Sidh Ghost*-*A Gateway to Sikhism

3. Charan Pahul which is deeksha:

Gur Deekhya Lai Sikh, Sikh Sadaayaa (Var 3, Pauri 11 Bhai Gurdas Ji)
One is called a Sikh only after he has been blessed with 'deekhya.

Charan Dhoe Rehraas Kar
Charnamrit Gursikhaan Pilaaayaa (Var 1, Pauri 23 Bhai Gurdas Ji)
(Guru Nanak) followed the system of washing the Guru's Feet and blessing the GurSikhs with the Charan amrit (Charan-Pahul)

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Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji prescribed specific rules and regulations which must be unconditionally accepted by the candidates before they can be admitted as disciples (Sikhs). The ceremony by which the Panj Pyaras are authorized by the Satguru to admit such persons in the fold of Sikhism is partaking Khande-ki-Pahul or Amrit. Therefore, according to the Commandment of the Satguru, one can become a Sikh of the Guru only by taking Amrit. Such a person is also called an Amritdhari because he has been blessed with the holy Amrit and has, thus, become a Sikh. It is further explicit from the following couplet from Rahitnamaa of Bhai Desa Singh Ji. Pratham Rahit Yeh Jaan, Khande-ki-Pahul Chhakey. Soee Sikh Pardhan, Avar Naa Pahul Jo Lai. The primary Rahit for a Sikh is to take Khande-ki-Pahul. And, only he is a great who does not accept anything else. Generally, people do not grasp the true meaning of the terms Amritdhari and non-Amritdhari Sikhs. The phrase non-Amritdhari Sikhs is meaningless. One cannot make a comparison between them. There is only one class of Sikhs and that class is the Sikh (Khalsa). Thus, one is either a Sikh or not a Sikh. THE UNIQUE SPIRIT OF SIKHSIM

"You're claiming conversion started from Guru Nanak Dev Ji by His enlightening people. Yet Guru Nanak Dev Ji, as a Guru, within an Indic tradition of Guru-chela relationships and a Master Jogi was giving Charan Pahul, which is deeksha. Khande Ki Pahul is still deeksha,"
Harjas Kaur Khalsa Ji,
Respectfully I have to say that , after reading all this, I smell hijacking of a religion that perceived for general people just contrary to Hinduism which was filled with these kind of ideologies. Simple minded masses fail to understand the mysterious pyramid of words armed with confusing principles. Besides they have financial goal attached to it where as Guru Nanak, went to them and logically proved all ritualism and talks about God were designed to gain financial and politically gains. Guru ji let them be free from all this and pay attention to good deeds and create unconditional love for the Creator. People embraced that new way of religion. Conversion was automatic in huge number; the proof of it was that many Hindus started feeling threat from it. History supports that. There is no proof he started charan pahul because it would sound another ritual. I wouldn’t buy that. Respect for the Guru was built through the teaching because without respect learning doesn’t take place. Waheguru mantra was not mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib, it is used only in context of Guru’s praise; however, as “Guru” word is also used for God, Waha was used as prefix to it making another Name for the Almighty. It sounds more beautiful to me than many prevailed names of the Almighty.

Why did Guru take 11 forms? Guru is Perfect Wisdom. Why did Guru change the initiation from Charan Pahul to Khande Ki Pahul? Why did the One Guru write Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and also Dasam Granth Bani Ji?
To enlighten people, over time.
Why did Guru establish Gurgaddhi with Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji alone
Guru Granth Sahib Ji was prepared for future enlightenment and Tenth Master gave Gurgaddi to Guru Granth Sahib to stop an avalanche of intellectual influence of anti Sikhs. Guru Nanak had one jot and was passed on to one only.
. When someone implies Guru is an ordinary human being who makes mistakes, or has to be made aware, it implies Guruji is not aware.
None of my statements in this post implied Guru ji as an ordinary man.


If Guru is united to Timeless Lord
and Timeless Lord is outside the limits of time and space
Then Guruji's consciousness is outside the limits of time and space. This means Guruji is all-knowing because He is merged in Timeless Lord.
Bhain Ji nor that wast questioned ever and neither it was an issue, kindly don’t drag the point to one issue to other one..
Because Guru has surpassed even the Maya. Guru is our boat to sail across the ocean of delusion. So there is no question, we cannot read the history relating to Guru as we would an ordinary human being. We cannot assume Guru was clueless and decided since Mughals were waging war that now (and for this time in history only) he must create an Army. Guru created the Khalsa which is sant-sipahi for the Kalyug. That was His entire mission in the 11 forms.
Untill fifth Nanak, there was no direct physical attack from any one, so no army was set up, actually history supports even Mugal Govt respected Guru Nanak Panth. In “Khurasan Khasmana kia, where most scholars incorrectly say Guru ji is registering displeasure over Babar attack to GOD , Guru ji hints about self protection. I shall elaborate this when I have enough time. Was Guru clueless? Who said that?
You said Guru Nanak Dev Ji started enlightening people. By what process did this occur? Enlightenment which comes from the Guru's Shabad-Jyot does not get imparted to a chela by reading. The obscurations of consciousness must be removed for the 9 gates to open. The vital prana can't ascend and pierce the chakras to unlock the tenth gate unless the Shabad-Jyot in the Naam Gurmanatara is vibrating in every hair and within. Thus a metaphysical process must be initiated for this to occur. The initiation is Naam Drirh, and the practice is Sass Giras Simran of pranayam Naam abiyaas.
Before Guru ji , all were Hindus and Muslims, when people stated believing in only Guru ji’s message, they became Sikhs(neither Hindu nor Muslim), isn’t it conversion? Please don’t use dogmatic rules to become a Sikh; it was not used by any Guru ji. Even Guru Gobind Singh didn’t force his own dear Sikhs to have it, if imaginary tales are cooked, what I can do, history says otherwise.


ਉਲਟਤਪਵਨਚਕ੍ਰਖਟੁਭੇਦੇਸੁਰਤਿਸੁੰਨਅਨਰਾਗੀ॥
oulattath pavan chakr khatt bhaedhae surath sunn anaraagee ||
I turned my breath inwards, and pierced through the six chakras of the body, and my awareness was centered on the Primal Void of the Absolute Lord.

ਆਵੈਨਜਾਇਮਰੈਨਜੀਵੈਤਾਸੁਖੋਜੁਬੈਰਾਗੀ॥੧॥
aavai n jaae marai n jeevai thaas khoj bairaagee ||1||
Search for the One who does not come or go, who does not die and is not born, O renunciate. ||1||

ਮੇਰੇਮਨਮਨਹੀਉਲਟਿਸਮਾਨਾ॥
maerae man man hee oulatt samaanaa ||
My mind has turned away from the world, and is absorbed in the Mind of God.

ਗੁਰਪਰਸਾਦਿਅਕਲਿਭਈਅਵਰੈਨਾਤਰੁਥਾਬੇਗਾਨਾ॥੧॥ਰਹਾਉ॥
gur parasaadh akal bhee avarai naathar thhaa baegaanaa ||1|| rehaao ||
By Guru's Grace, my understanding has been changed; otherwise, I was totally ignorant. ||1||Pause||
~SGGS Ji p. 333


Again, above shabad doesn’t support your ideology. Here personal experience of realization of God and importance of Guru to walk on that path, are expressed.
Fifth

To obtain enlightenment from the Guru requires receptivity which comes through practice of attunement, which comes through japping the word-Mantara which is an energy vibration to cleanse the mental consciousness and spiritual blockages. The word-seed which contains the Shabad-Jyot of Guru has the sound vibration like Spho Ta sound current Of Guru's Shabad which has the shakti to pierce through the chakras and open the gates.
If above magical idea is accepted as base to become Sikh, Sikhs can be counted on fingers. It is an attempt to make Sikhism more difficult than any other religion.
ਮੇਰੇਮੀਤਗੁਰਦੇਵਮੋਕਉਰਾਮਨਾਮੁਪਰਗਾਸਿ॥
maerae meeth guradhaev mo ko raam naam paragaas ||
O my Best Friend, O Divine Guru, please enlighten me with the Name of the Lord.

ਗੁਰਮਤਿਨਾਮੁਮੇਰਾਪ੍ਰਾਨਸਖਾਈਹਰਿਕੀਰਤਿਹਮਰੀਰਹਰਾਸਿ॥੧॥ਰਹਾਉ॥
guramath naam maeraa praan sakhaaee har keerath hamaree reharaas ||1|| rehaao ||
Through the Guru's Teachings, the Naam is my breath of life. The Kirtan of the Lord's Praise is my life's occupation. ||1||Pause||
~SGGS Ji p. 10
Again, there is no support of your ideology in the above Guru Vaak either.


Sixth

You seem to be talking about history and politics. What has this to do with creating a Singh or a Singhni? If all 11 forms of Guru are one Jyot, why are you implying that one did one thing, and another did another thing? The One acted according to Perfect Wisdom and Perfect Design. Amrit is not some historical aberration. Rehit is not some political need for discipline of troops. It is the same Guru. It is the same Gurumantara. It is the same requirement of sadhan spiritual discipline which is Hukam of Gurui. The spiritual discipline of the Guru's Khalsa is the Sikh dharam which is the conceptual counterpart of Karam. There can be no Karam without Dharam, it is a relational concept. Dharam is the sadhan prescription for cleansing the Karam. That is hukam of Guru.
Fist of all, Kindly keep politics thing out of this, all above references are about how circumstances forced to have need of special amrit ceremony. Ikk Jot doesn’t become two if in a different circumstances, different things are done. In worldly affairs, they were known as grand father and grand son. What is wrong with? . As I am aware of your approach, you don’t like hair splitting, but here you doing the same thing. Here you are also saying all who lived before Khalsa, couldn’t do dharm?
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Now did Tenth Master make amrit ceremony mandatory? We have no historical factual support on that. Is it important for a Sikh to have it? Answer is big” YES” Important but not mandatory, that is why Ghanaeea and Bhai Nand Lal ji who enjoyed the honor of being present with our Glorious Guru, remained dear Sikhs to Guru ji and were never asked( If they were asked, they would) to have it. History supports that fact.
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Deeksha is never mandatory. It is free choice. This human body has been given to you. This is your chance to meet God. Until you adopt the Guru as your Master and receive from Guru the seed-Shabad to initiate activation of your spiritual centers, you cannot obtain enlightenment. This is ancient Indic wisdom. You mention the words, "historical facts." Yet you provide no source or history, only your own assertion. Please investigate the history of Guru-chela relationship which is ancient Indic tradition.

Your historical facts need a little updating:
If that is essential, why don’t you do updating? What you are talking about Harjas Kaur Khalsa Ji about a chance of meeting God? Guru ji has made it clear that HIS grace is only in HIS hands. In this context, more stress is needed to clean within than amrit ceremony. At one point you want me to investigate history of Guru chela relationship, when I quoted historical facts, you accuse me of politics, which way I can debate with you? You are also giving stress on Guru chela history, what about Nand Lal and Ghaneeaa Ji who never took amrit, what is the status of Guru Chela in their context? The quote you give about Nand Lal is not a historical fact.
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Before meeting Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Bhai Sahib was known as Naib Subedar of Multan, and also as Mir Munshi of Aurangzeb's heir to the throne, Bhadur Shah.. To Sikhs he has been popularly known as Bhai Nand Lal Ji (Goya). Born in 1633 at Ghazni, Bhai Sahib became a great Persian poet and was strongly influenced by Rumi and Hafiz, whom he frequently quotes. In 1682, after his journey from Multan to Amritsar, he stopped over in Anandpur Sahib to have the Blessed Darshan of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. . He immediately received "Gurdikhya" (Charn-Amrit), and became one of Guru Sahib's most devoted disciples and a Poet Laureate of His Darbar. In 1699, Bhai Sahib along with thousands of others took Khanday-Ki-Pahul (Baptism of the Double-Edged Sword), which had replaced the Charan-Amrit Ceremony. From then on he was known as Bhai Nand Singh Ji.
The Voice of Sikh Youth > Is Khande Di Pahul and Amrit the same thing?
Above quote has no historical bearing, he was never known as Nand Lal Singh. He is only known as Bhai Nand Lal ji, or Nand Lal Goaa, be aware, “Lal” is also a last name, if you don’t know.. I am hoping, very soon, Ghaneea ji will be known as Ghaneea Singh just to justify false assertions. While reading Historical sources, one is appalled to know how big heart of Guru Gobind Singh ji confused some at that time, this dogmatic approach is no where to close to represent him.

Eighth

The first proof is Bhai Nand Lal Ji is recognized by the Panth as a brahmgiani. It is impossible for him to have achieved this stage of spiritual development without the Guru. In order for this process to be activated it is required that the chela have his energy centers opened, his gates unlocked by the Naam Gurmantara and the deeksha of receiving the shabad-Jyot of the Guru. Can you please provide me proof where Bhai Nan Lal Ji and Bhai Kannaya Ji did not have amrit deeksha other than your opinion or other people say? This is a non-fact.
What is the Sikh fact, give it with factual support please.

Whether the Panth has available a written record of every person who ever received amrit from Satguru is not even feasible. How could brahmgiani and sant become brahmgiani and sant without the initiation of a process which is capable of transforming them into brahmgianai and sant? They did not make themselves brahmgyani and sant. They needed a Satguru and chela discipleship for this to ever have taken place. The evidence that they had opened the dasam duar and become brahmgyani and sant is the proof! But to say they did not have amrit is to say that we can liberate ourselves without a Guru or commitment to Guruji's hukam. And that is impossible. We cannot enlighten ourselves by our own efforts.
We have in record names of Sikhs with Singh as last name,who were not as well known as Bhai Ghaneeaa and Bhai Nand lal ji, why Singh is missing from their name only?


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Khalsa was designed to protect the weaker, to stand against tyranny. There are millions who bow to walk on panth of Guru Nanak Gobind Singh even without taking ceremony, I applaud them. I have met many Sikhs whose personal life inspired me to grow spiritually and they are SEHAJDHARI SIKHS. Coming back to conversion, we Sikhs are different in thinking as guided by Gurbani than Hindus or Muslims who think , people coming from other faiths are impure, we welcome them as pure as we think we are. I took amrit, I would not tell a lie. Did it help me to grow into a better Sikh, my honest answer is “no” because my savior is Gurbani. Did amrit ceremony make me feel better emotionally, answer is yes.


Ninth

Those who walk the path of Guru Nanak Dev Ji (and all 11 forms are Guru Nanak) without taking amrit are not the Guru's chelas. They are not in allegiance to the Guru's Rehit. They have not received the transmission of the Naam Gurmantara. They have not been implanted with the shabad-jyot to activate and unlock the subtle energy centers and thus open the dasam duar to obtain mukti. So, while I accept they are Sikhs, as believer's, they are without marriage bond of loyalty and commitment to follow the path of Guru Nanak.
Loyalty comes with heart not with rituals or attire. You can declare that decree but it cannot stop them to be better Sikhs. And there are many who after taking amrit are still in quagmire of hypocrisy , forgive me I have to say this.

They are no different from any other human being. While someone of another faith may be good, and holy, and inspiring and heroic, it is not our personal qualities which give us mukti. Gurbani is very clear on that. It is not we who activate this process by our own efforts. No matter how inspirational any human being is, only Guruji is the deliverer in the Kalyug. And the path to liberation is the Naam which is received from Guru in the Guru Panj Piare after commiting to obey Guruji's hukam and live the sadhan prescription of Sikh dharam to counteract the panj dhoots, the duality, the haumai, the obscurations and defilements which result from our karam. This is Guruji's path of salvation. No one can be said to be walking Guruji's path who doesn't walk the path described by Guruji's hukam.
So all Sikhs who lived before Guru Gobind Singh ji were not true Sikhs, I think you are mixing Khalsa with Sikhs; A Sikh cannot be khalsa without taking amrit, and a Khalsa can be both Sikh as well as Khalsa, that is the difference. There were and still are SEHAJDHARI SIKHS, wonderful people and they believe only in Ten Guru and Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Contrary to you, I feel, they have the every right to be called Sikhs.


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Last point: name changing. If Antonio ji has chosen her new faith Sikhism, she has a choice to take amrit ceremony when she feels ready to do that, none of the Sikh maryada rules opposes what I have stated above. I have Maryada with me,( by the way this maryada is being 90 percent violated in Punjab by the same Sikh category who boasts about it, please visit Punjab, you will see it with your own eyes). So Sikh Maryada has nothing to say in this context either. I also give stress that over times some hypocrites can take over SGPC and Akaal Takhat Power but no one can ever take away from us is our Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Stick to Guru more than any one else. Guru Granth Sahib is asking our attention more than any thing, changing name without amrit ceremony will not harm the soul.

If Antonia Ji has chosen her new faith in Sikhism, this is wonderful. But the important question is did Guru choose you? And it is the exchange of promises, as in spiritual marriage, the chela makes a vow and bond to Guru and Guru makes a vow and bond with chela which is the real conversion to Sikhi. And this marriage vow which binds Guru and chela together is not someone's opinion, not someone's kalpa of wishful thinking, which is the actual commitment to Guru!
That is your opinion, you are entitled to it. For me, call it wishful thinking or whatever, in realty it doesn’t matter, I doubt, as I took amrit, I can certainly say that Guru has chosen me. Guru demands all undivided attention and love for the Creator not merely ceremony is enough.

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Never was there disagreement on her CHOICE to receive Gur-deeksha in amrit sinchaar. But just naming herself Kaur will not make her the Guru's Kaur. To become the Guru's Kaur she must make a COMMITMENT to Guru and receive amrit.It was asserted by Namjap Ji that simply wearing panj kakkars, as extensively stated by people, will make a person amritdhari. While a person can name himself whatever he likes, no one has the power to make oneself the Guru's Singh or Singhni. Because it is not by our own power that we activate the spiritual process. Only an amritdhari is a Singh or Kaur. Only an amritdhari is a member of the Khalsa.
Antonio Ji, actually didn’t pose the question or on this thread, she never felt to discuss all what you are saying, at least, I am not aware of it. It was a simple question. Namjap ji and I suggested her that amrit ceremony was not necessary to change a name, it is still a fact, you couldn’t prove otherwise.


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I have Maryada with me,( by the way this maryada is being 90 percent violated in Punjab by the same Sikh category who boasts about it, please visit Punjab, you will see it with your own eyes). So Sikh Maryada has nothing to say in this context either. I also give stress that over times some hypocrites can take over SGPC and Akaal Takhat Power but no one can ever take away from us is our Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

What transpires in the Punjab has no relevance to the question of whether or not a person needs amrit to become a Singh/Singhni and have Gur-deeksha. You say the Rehit Maryada has nothing to say in this context. And you accuse that hypocrites have taken over the SGPC and Akal Takht thus invalidating the authority of Guruji's sargun saroop in Guru Khalsa Panth to make decisions regarding temporal affairs of Guruji's Sikhs.
Harjas Kaur Khalsa Ji, with all due respect, I have to tell you one thing in this context. I was pointing out that in case, SGPC and Akaal Takhat are taken over by hypocrites, would we follow them or Guru Ji? You missed my implied meaning. No one can ever take away our Guru Granth Sahib from us, so sticking to teachings Guru reveals to follow is the only way to survive as a Sikh in that case
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Akal Takhat (Punjabi: ਅਕਾਲਤਖ਼ਤ) ... means the Throne of the Immortal and is the highest political institution of the Sikhs.... The Akal Takhat was founded by Guru Hargobind on June 15, 1606 (now celebrated on 2 July) and was established as the place from which the spiritual and temporal concerns of the Sikh community could be acted upon.
Shri Akal Takhat - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.

One must question, since you are basically saying you don't recognize the authority of Akal Takht or the SGPC Sikh Rehit Maryada in this matter of naming ceremony, clarifying who is Singh/Singhni, or the necessity for amrit. And the only point of debate you offer is accusation that "hypocrites" have taken over the institutions to come between you and Guruji.

Please reread it carefully, I used word “ CAN TAKE OVER” and you, very quickly since I am in disagreement with you, accuse me of not recognizing the authority of Akaal Takhat; obviously your being real Sikh couldn’t help you accusing some one of something he didn’t!!

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If you don't accept Guru Panth, Guru Panj Piare, sovereignty of Akal Takht Sahib Ji, validity of Rehit Maryada, then acknowledge that openly. Historical sources are meaningless to decide this case. Whose version of history should we accept as authoritative? Nirmala? Udasi? Sanatan Nihang?

Respectfully I refuse to answer any questione based upon imagination because I accepted Panj Pyara, Akaal takhat.

The Guru Khalsa Panth has accepted the Khande Ki Pahul of Guru. And the Guru Khalsa Panth has accepted Rehit Maryada. While not every Jatha accepts every point of every Rehit Maryada, all are agreed that a Khalsa must follow a Rehit Maryada. I follow the Rehit Maryada of the Panj Piare who I received amrit from. The Panj Piare are not "hypocrites" as you allege. This is not possible. Panj Piare are Guruji's own form and what they say is Guruji's hukam. This is not hypocrisy.

I gave you a hint about in case Akaal Takhat is taken over by hypocrites; however, you have stuck with the word “hypocrite” and are refusing to let it go. Reread before reacting, you are falsely accusing me of calling Panj pyara hypocrites. That does not become of you who took Khande dee Pahul!!!!!!!
<<You're claiming conversion started from Guru Nanak Dev Ji by His enlightening people. Yet Guru Nanak Dev Ji, as a Guru, within an Indic tradition of Guru-chela relationships and a Master Jogi was giving Charan Pahul, which is deeksha.>>>

i am surprised to read this.

Do you have any proof to back up this statement?
Above is a question posed by amarsangheraji, in response to that, Guru Shabad you quoted does not support what you say. . He asked about charan pahul as dikhsha as you pointed out. Thre is no teaching about an exchange it with charan pahul, you can reread it.
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The guru-shishya tradition, lineage, or parampara, is a spiritual relationship in traditional Hinduism where teachings are transmitted from a guru (teacher, गुरू) to a 'śiṣya' (disciple, शिष्य) or chela. Such knowledge, whether it be vedic, agamic artistic, architectural, musical or spiritual, is imparted through the developing relationship between the guru and the disciple. It is considered that this relationship, based on the genuineness of the guru, and the respect, commitment, devotion and obedience of the student, is the best way for subtle or advanced knowledge to be conveyed. The student eventually masters the knowledge that the guru embodies.
The word Sikh is derived from the Sanskrit word shishya. It is related to the Brahmacharya.
Above your statement still doesn’t answer his question and SGGS 208, 211 , 477, 908, does not support your views of charan pahul dikhsha, it is all about learning from Guru about The Naam, Yoga is a reference to the prevailed way of spiritual liberation and about Guru’s view that unless ego gotten rid of, merely practicing Yoga wont help, real Yoga is to totally be lost in Him. On SGGS 923, it is about Gurgaddi of Guru Ram Das, not a word about charan pahul. Reference from Sidh Gost you have given has absolutely no link with charan pahul. When you pull out a Shabad, read it completely, you can find relevant Guru teachings. In the following Guru Vaak, its about HIS infinity and Guru Ji’s wish/longing to bow unconditionally to one who realized HIM, cutting head off is a horrible translation, its means egoless bowing..
And who are these gateway to Sikhism who boast about knowledge of Sikhi but horribly failed to put acceptable translation?
Charan Dhoe Rehraas Kar
Charnamrit Gursikhaan Pilaaayaa (Var 1, Pauri 23 Bhai Gurdas Ji)

Its meaning is not that Guru ji brought big bowl of water, cleaned feet and called all Sikhs to drink it. Please, you can do better than that

Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji prescribed specific rules and regulations which must be unconditionally accepted by the candidates before they can be admitted as disciples (Sikhs). The ceremony by which the Panj Pyaras are authorized by the Satguru to admit such persons in the fold of Sikhism is partaking Khande-ki-Pahul or Amrit. Therefore, according to the Commandment of the Satguru, one can become a Sikh of the Guru only by taking Amrit. Such a person is also called an Amritdhari because he has been blessed with the holy Amrit and has, thus, become a Sikh. It is further explicit from the following couplet from Rahitnamaa of Bhai Desa Singh Ji.

If Guru ji said what all Desa Singh claims, Guru ji would have put in writing, Sikhs say he wrote all Dasm Granth and Sarbh Loh, well why not a few rules and regulations about amrit ceremony were penned down by him in the above context.? Why Desa Singh ji is silent on BhaiGhaneeaa Ji and Bhai Nand Lal jI?

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Generally, people do not grasp the true meaning of the terms Amritdhari and non-Amritdhari Sikhs. The phrase non-Amritdhari Sikhs is meaningless. One cannot make a comparison between them.

There is only one class of Sikhs and that class is the Sikh (Khalsa). Thus, one is either a Sikh or not a Sikh.

Thank God,that decree was not given by Guru Gobind SinghJi but still you have the right to do so; I have difficulty to portrait Guru Gobind Singh ji as a dictator type of spiritual King.

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is the punjabi word Jog Jugath = way of Yoga???

i really doubt it

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1. Guru-chela

ਇਹ ਬੇਨੰਤੀ ਸੁਣਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਮੇਰੇ ॥
eih baenanthee sun prabh maerae ||
Please, listen to this prayer, O my God.
2 Soohee Guru Arjan Dev

ਦੇਹਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਅਪਣੇ ਚੇਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
dhaehi naam kar apanae chaerae ||1|| rehaao ||
Please bless me with Your Name, and make me Your chaylaa, Your disciple. ||1||Pause||>>>

Guru ji is asking God to accept him as God's Chela.

Now chela has multiple connotations in punjabi words.

it not only means disciple, it also means one giving up ones ego and accepting another "one" as a master( not only in student teacher relationship)

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oops just read in pk70's reply...he also raised the same point as mine


on the issue of Charan pahul, Amrit Pahul, the physical acts are same rituals which Guru Nanak sought to abolish

bhul chuk maaf

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Come back to reality you guys!!!!!!!

We all live in this physical body and we need eyes to see this computer screen on which you're reading THIS message. You exist only now. Not tomorrow and not yesterday. Now. You exist in this physical body regardless of taking amrit (sweet water) because the real amrit is already within you. What we need to realize is the Now-ness, Is-ness and Here-ness within this realm of duality. Without your swaas, you are history. If you pay attention to your breathing, you will feel the Now-ness.

Chalte raho munna bhai ............. i was talking to myself,,, heh heh hehe

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You don't have to buy anything. But you're confusing a Living transmission as if it were meaningless ritual. Let's look at some things.

Guruji is understandable to the simple, but He isn't simple-minded, He is a Living Master. And Guru's teachings have a depth which is greater than even astro-physics. No human being can understand the depths of Guru. Do you accept Gurbani is deeper and more meaningful than the Vedas?

Listen to this definition of the Vedas:
This definition says that to study the Vedas you can read literally, and you look deeper at the overall context in relation to other teachings. It describes the very syllables of the words as having the power of mantra and even the tonality of the meters in which these power words are sung having meaning. Is that mere "ritualism?" Or are you attributing "ritualism" to things you don't understand? Are sound and shakti the same thing as sacred thread? If this is the case, what is the shab'd?


Do you think Gurbani is less intricate than layers of meaning found within the Vedas?

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥

guramukh naadhan guramukh vaedhan guramukh rehiaa samaaee ||

The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.

ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥

gur eesar gur gorakh baramaa gur paarabathee maaee ||

The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi.

ਜੇ ਹਉ ਜਾਣਾ ਆਖਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹਣਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥

jae ho jaanaa aakhaa naahee kehanaa kathhan n jaaee ||

Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words.

~SGGS Ji p. 2

I have given you Gurbani citations. All you give is "you don't buy it." Would you also claim no proof exists for Khande Ki Pahul as being Gur Deekhya? You imply this when you claim Khande Ki Pahul and the Rehit Maryada were created just to keep a disciplined Army for the political purpose of defending against the Mughals.

I was asked to support 3 points. First, Guru-chela relationship, without which Gur-deekhya is meaningless and implied by the construct dual word Gur-Sikh which is based on the principle that Guru and chela are a relationship not independant definitions. Second, that Guruji was a Master Yogi. And third, Charan Pahul being Gur deekhya before Khande Ki Pahul. Now you are complaining vaars and references used to support Guru-chela relationship and Guruji being a Master Yogi didn't support Charan Pahul. The reference to Sidh Gost, for example proves Guru Nanak Dev Ji was accepted as a Master Yogi by the Yogis and Siddhas of the time. Or do you dispute this? And that was the only point.

It wasn't cited to support evidence about Charan Pahul. It was cited to point out Guru is a Master of Raja Yoga. So let's go back to the concept of Charan Pahul since that concerns you the most. You claim this is all lost in mistranslation. Let's look at it.

I cite these quotes from Sikh scholars below only to show that it isn't mistranslation of Bhai Gurdas vaaran, although I accept translation to English is never completely accurate. Nonetheless, you can't change the original meanings or deny the obvious either. Charnamrit = charan (feet) + amrit (nectar). It is holy water from the feet of a Guru. Nectar from the feet of God. This definition is found in Vedas, Mahabharata, Ramayana, etc. "Kal taaran Guru Nanak aya,Sikhaan charanamrit pilaya" meaning: "Guru Nanak arrived to deliver Kalyug, Sikhs were given Charan-Amrit to drink. The fact that this is an ancient Indic trandition seems to escape you. You don't accept it. That doesn't mean there aren't historical source references or a thousands year old religious structure that supports it.

It was changed by Dasam Pita Ji because He put an end to human Guru lineage and invested the Shabd-Jyot into Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. As part of Khande Ki Pahul in 1699, Guruji also invested His Shabd-Jyot and spiritual authority into Guru Panj Piare since it would not be possible for transmission to occur with Charan Pahul without a human Guru.
"Its meaning is not that Guru ji brought big bowl of water, cleaned feet and called all Sikhs to drink it. Please, you can do better than that" Perhaps you can do better. I've cited a number of historical references and Gurbani. All you've cited is the statement, "Historical references prove..." They do? What references? You say Bhai Kannaya and Bhai Nand Lal Ji were not amritdhri due to the absence of Singh as a last name. While this is a curious matter, it's an inference, not proof. By the same token we can ask, did Dasam Pita Ji have 3 wives? Was Mata Jeeto ji, Mata Suridari ji and Mata Sahib Kaur ji three different persons or names of one?

To jump to the conclusion based on curiosity of the way history has recorded a name is not proof one way or the other. What you're doing is denying Guru deekhya completely on the basis that Bhai Kennaya and Bhai Nand Lal Ji aren't called Singh. To be honest, you don't present that persuasive evidence simply claiming, "historical sources prove." How do historical sources prove there was no Guru-chela discipleship, no Gur-deekhya, no Charan Pahul, and thus no need for Khande Ki Pahul? I'm still waiting for your evidence. By simply saying you don't accept, that's just opinion. By saying Sikh institutions are overrun with hypocrites also doesn't disprove anything. By saying Punjab is full of people who are failing to live up to the standards of Sikhi is sad. But again, it doesn't prove anything about Gur-deeksha.

Veerji, the Gurmattas and hukamnamas put out by Akal Takht Sahib Ji are based on decisions made after convening Guru Panj Piare. We have to be clear to separate certain disagreements we have with individual Singhs who may be Jathedars, and whether the Khalsa Panth accepts the edicts issued by Guruji's sargun saroop in Panj Piares. Either you accept or you don't. If you don't accept that Khande Ki Pahul is necessary for establishing Guru-shishya relationship, if you don't accept the Rehit Maryada which Akal Takht Sahib Ji has accepted as a corporate entity and which Panj Piare during amrit sinchaar instruct Singhs/Singhnis to follow, then... one must conclude you don't accept the authority of Guru Panj Piare and Akal Takht Sahib Ji in this matter of naming ceremony of becoming Singh/Singhni and Khande Ki Pahul. At least that's how I read it. Perhaps I'm mistaken. I'm sorry to upset you, so I accept that you say you accept.

Let's analyze some of the sources of Charan Pahul closely:

ਚਰਨ ਧੋਇ ਰਹਰਾਸਿ ਕਰਿ ਚਰਣਾਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਿਖਾਂ ਪੀਲਾਇਆ ।

charan dhoi raharaasi kari charanaamritu sikhaan peelaaiaa|

He washed His feet, eulogised God and got his Disciples drink the ambrosia of his feet.

Var1, Pauri 3, Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੁਖ ਫਲ ਪਿਰਮ ਰਸੁ ਚਰਣੋਦਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣ ਪਖਾਲੇ ।

guramukhi sukh dhal piram rasu charanodaku gur charan pakhaalay|

Gurmukhs having the desire of the fruits of delight with all love wash the feet of the guru.

ਸੁਖ ਸੰਪੁਟ ਵਿਚਿ ਰਖਿ ਕੈ ਚਰਣ ਕਵਲ ਮਕਰੰਦ ਪਿਆਲੇ ।

sukh sanput vichi rakhi kai charan kaval makarand piaalay|

They make cups of the nectar of lotus feet and quaff it with complete delight.

ਕਉਲਾਲੀ ਸੂਰਜ ਮੁਖੀ ਲਖ ਕਵਲ ਖਿੜਦੇ ਰਲੀਆਲੇ ।

kaulaalee sooraj mukhee|akh kaval khirhaday raleeaalay|

Considering the feet of the Guru as sum they blossom like lotus.

Vaar 11 Pauri 6 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji

ਸਬਦ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਲਿਵ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਜਣਾਇਆ ।

sabad surati upadaysu|iv paarabraham gur giaanu janaaiaa|

Concentration of consciousness on the word of the Guru and knowledge bestowed by the Guru provides the awareness about the transcendental Brahm .

ਸਿਲਾ ਅਲੂਣੀ ਚਟਣੀ ਚਰਣ ਕਵਲ ਚਰਣੋਦਕੁ ਪਿਆਇਆ ।

silaa aloonee chatanee charan kaval charanodaku piaaiaa|

Only such a persen quaffs the nectar of feet-wash of the Guru.

Vaar 25 Pauri 2 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji

ਧਿਆਨੁ ਮੂਲੁ ਗੁਰ ਦਰਸਨੋ ਪੂਰਨ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਜਾਣਿ ਜਾਣੋਈ ।

dhiaanu moolu gur darasano pooran brahamu jaani jaanoee|

The glimpse of the Guru is the basis of meditation because Guru is Brahm and this fact is known to a rare one.

ਪੂਜ ਮੂਲ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਚਰਣ ਕਰਿ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸੇਵ ਸੁਖ ਹੋਈ ।

pooj mool satiguru charan kari guradayv sayv sukh hoee|

The feet of true Guru, the root of all delights, should be worshipped and only then the delight would be atttained.

ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਮੂਲੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਬਚਨ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਹੋਇ ਅਰਾਧੈ ਕੋਈ ।

mantr moolu satiguru bachan ik mani hoi araadhai koee|

The instructions of the true Guru is the basic formula (mantra) whose adoration with single minded devotion is undertaken by rare one.

ਮੋਖ ਮੂਲੁ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀਵਨੁ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਿ ਸੋਈ ।

mokh moolu kirapaa guroo jeevanu mukati saadh sangi soee|

The basis of liberation is the grace of the Guru and one attains liberation in life in the holy congregation alone.

ਆਪੁ ਗਣਾਇ ਨ ਪਾਈਐ ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਇ ਮਿਲੈ ਵਿਰਲੋਈ ।

aapu ganaai n paaeeai aapu gavaai milai viraloee|

Making oneself noticed none can attain the Lord and even shedding the ego any rare one meets Him.

ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਏ ਆਪ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਕੋ ਆਪਿ ਆਪੇ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਈ ।

aapu gavaaay aap hai sabh ko aapi aapay sabhu koee|

He who annihilates his ego, in fact, is the Lord Himself; he knowns everyone as his form and all accept him as their form.

ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ ਚੇਲਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਹੋਈ ॥੬॥

guru chaylaa chaylaa guru hoee ॥6॥

Guru becomes disciple and the disciple is turned to be Guru.

Vaar 26 Pauri 6 of 35 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas

ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਰਣਾਗਤੀ ਚਰਣ ਬੋਹਿਥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਦੇਤੁ ॥

naanak prabh saranaagathee charan bohithh prabh dhaeth ||

Nanak seeks God's Sanctuary; God has given him the Boat of His Feet.

ਸੇ ਭਾਦੁਇ ਨਰਕਿ ਨ ਪਾਈਅਹਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਰਖਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਹੇਤੁ ॥੭॥

sae bhaadhue narak n paaeeahi gur rakhan vaalaa haeth ||7||

Those who love the Guru, the Protector and Savior, in Bhaadon, shall not be thrown down into hell. ||7||

~SGGS Ji p. 134

ਚਰਣ ਪਖਾਰਿ ਕਰਉ ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਬਾਰਿ ਜਾਉ ਲਖ ਬਰੀਆ ॥

charan pakhaar karo gur saevaa baar jaao lakh bareeaa ||

I wash the Guru's Feet and serve Him; I am a sacrifice to Him, 100,000 times.

ਜਿਹ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਇਹੁ ਭਉਜਲੁ ਤਰਿਆ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਿਅ ਸੰਗਿ ਮਿਰੀਆ ॥੪॥੭॥੧੨੮॥

jih prasaadh eihu bhoujal thariaa jan naanak pria sang mireeaa ||4||7||128||

By His Grace, servant Nanak has crossed over this terrifying world-ocean; I am united with my Beloved. ||4||7||128||

~SGGS Ji p. 207

ਤਿਸੁ ਗੁਰ ਕਉ ਸਿਮਰਉ ਸਾਸਿ ਸਾਸਿ ॥

this gur ko simaro saas saas ||

I remember the Guru with each and every breath.

ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਣ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰੀ ਰਾਸਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

gur maerae praan sathigur maeree raas ||1|| rehaao ||

The Guru is my breath of life, the True Guru is my wealth. ||1||Pause||

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਦੇਖਿ ਦੇਖਿ ਜੀਵਾ ॥

gur kaa dharasan dhaekh dhaekh jeevaa ||

Beholding the Blessed Vision of the Guru's Darshan, I live.

ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਚਰਣ ਧੋਇ ਧੋਇ ਪੀਵਾ ॥੧॥

gur kae charan dhhoe dhhoe peevaa ||1||

I wash the Guru's Feet, and drink in this water. ||1||

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਰੇਣੁ ਨਿਤ ਮਜਨੁ ਕਰਉ ॥

gur kee raen nith majan karo ||

I take my daily bath in the dust of the Guru's Feet.