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Old 17-Oct-2007, 03:28 AM
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This thing comes to my mind again and again.that sikh preachers expect 100% sikh community to be religious which is not possible.and if someone is not following sikhi then orthodox sikhs started saying that they are not sikhs
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.Gyani sant singh ji maskeen himself said that no community in the world is 100% religious.you cannot expect 100% sikhs to be religious.
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One of the biggest reason for non spreading of sikhism was that sikh preachers never tried to spread sikhism in sehajdhari form.they forgot that without sehajdhari there will be no keshdhari and without keshdhari there will be no amritdhari's.One of the main reason of people getting attracked to deras is that they don't impose immidiately their rules and rerstrictions on them.it is only after some time some people start stricktly following dera's.

so all sikh preachers either accept this or just watch decline of sikh community.



 
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Re: why do sikh preachers expect 100% community to be religious

I have a sneaking suspicion it is because most of them are pendoos.
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I have a sneaking suspicion it is because most of them are pendoos.
i don't think all are pendoos.there are plenty of sikhs living in urban areas of world
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Re: why do sikh preachers expect 100% community to be religious

What's a pendoo? Or is that a pendoo-ish question?

Anybody who calls him/herself a "preacher" of his/her faith, always asks for everything. There's no other way to go about it. The more realistic ones will know in their heart that it's impossible, but they might as well ask.
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Part of it is often that they have to keep themselves going. It hardly makes sense being a preacher and not giving a 100% example! Of course, for some it's "do as i say, not as i do", but those are easy to spot.
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Re: why do sikh preachers expect 100% community to be religious

who is to judge anyone on their firmness of religion?

and who is to judge anyone's religiousness from their place of living?
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Re: why do sikh preachers expect 100% community to be religious

True Clarkejoey ji ...these guys are pretty easy to spot cos they are not even able to live what they preach !!
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- A sikh of true guru always live the lowliest of the low in his/her mann, he doesn't preach 'a truth' but lives THE TRUTH. On the other hand preachers just take advantage of innocent people entangled in their own problems.
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- KDSji you are right and I don't think preachers will ever stop to preach, there are some who preach in the name of stopping the preachers to preach. . The need I think is of people to wake up and be progressive now. I think true religiousness is in enjoying what we do and in doing it with our 100%. Probably thats where one need to be 100%.
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- KDSji you are right and I don't think preachers will ever stop to preach, there are some who preach in the name of stopping the preachers to preach.
I am not saying that sikh preachers should stop preaching.but they should lower there expectations from the followers.

a survey was conducted in india by cnn ibn about religion and the result was like this

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/indians-...p/32016-3.html

New Delhi: Faith in religion is increasing in India and the educated, urban people are more religious than those living in villages, says a Hindustan Times-CNN-IBN State of the Nation Survey conducted by Centre for the Study of Developing Societies (CSDS).

Four out of every ten Indians believe they are very religious, five think they are also religious but not to a great extent. Only one among ten Indians considers himself or herself to be non-religious.

The survey found that among people of various religious communities Hindus are the least religious and Sikhs are most religious. This is not surprising for minority communities tend to be more religious all over the world.

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so according to survey sikhs are most religious community of india much more religious hindu's and even more religious than muslims.so if we compare sikhs with other religions then we are doing much better.
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i take all the surveys witha pinch od salt..

what was their sample size?

there is something called Affirmative Bias and a Self image bias in all surveys wrt self introspection.

i have seen many such surveys being designed by just out of college and wet behind ear journalists and floated to 100 odd people.

are you at anytime going to accept that you are "less religious"

what defines - less or more religious?

anyways..

coming back to the point - we should expect only from ourselves.
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i don't think all are pendoos.there are plenty of sikhs living in urban areas of world

Yes but they take the mentality with them.
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