Master Tara Singh (1885 - 1967)

Ambarsaria Ji,

Please elaborate, how you see the separation coming ? India is getting stronger and recognised at the world level with support of Israel and US. Although there is insurgency in many districts in India, but how you see this coming ? Things are not reported to be that bad.

Warm regards.

 
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Valour ji I am no future forecaster but I am stating my understanding on where things stand. Let us review the trends that have fed separation or disintegration sentiments in countries over the past years,

• It has been dominated by Religious or Ethnic elements between the feeling oppressed versus the rulers
  • Yugoslavia
  • Russia
  • Sudan
  • UK
  • Ireland
  • etc.
• What is facilitating it going forward,
  • Critical mass of a country segment
    • There was a time when it was common to consider what a small land mass or number of people will do to survive
      • Technology and recent history and new countries that have formed over the last sixty years indicate that the critical mass is getting smaller and smaller
        • Some of the smaller countries have population no more than a fair sized city in another country
  • Acceptance of cultural aspirations as a common basis for formation of countries
    • Lot of the countries that split did so on linguistic, cultural, ethnicity and religious basis
      • Instead of the persistent push by majorities in such countries to claim everyone being equal while every minority knew such being not the case for them
  • It is in the interest of majorities to claim democracy, secularism, human rights which have been shown as shambles in reality all over the world leading to,
    • • Hidden desperation
      • Open revolts
      • Open or hidden suppression by majorities through tools of the state
• How do these possibly impact India’s future,
  • There is massive cultural genocide taking place in various areas,
    • Make states with possible aspirations as small as possible
      • Creation of small Punjab
      • Creation of smaller other states where there could be trouble
    • Migrations encouragements and disparate land ownership rights
      • Hindus migration to Punjab, Jammu and Kashmir are stark examples
    • Weaken societies by encouraging and allowing the proliferation of destructive practices,
      • Drug trade and trafficking
      • Drug use
      • Durg lords operating freely in areas targeted for cultural destruction, e.g. Punjab
    • Claim the minorities are just an offshoot of the core Hindu majority,
      • Sikhs
      • Jains
      • Buddhists
      • Muslims in India as just Hindus that converted to Islam a while back
      • Christians as Hindus who converted to Christianity a while back
    • Corruptive manipulation of Minority institutions
      • There has been massive infiltration and buying of puppets from minorities
      • Manipulation of independence of religious institutions
      • Manipulation of mass media disparaging minorities overtly and hidden
• What will generate possible dis-integration
  • Massive economic dislocation with the bubble of deficit driven economics
  • Worldwide depression
  • External wars
  • Weakening of the system trying to keep India together through the rich getting richer and corruption for all connected falling apart
  • Smaller successes by smaller minorities mushrooming
• Timelines
  • Cataclysmic event timelines are unpredictable like depression, etc.
  • The corruption impacts and such perhaps can be modeled through intelligent social scientists
    • My guess 10 to 30 years for things to fall apart

Would I be around to see it? No

Do I have any interest in India? No

Can I be wrong? Of course.

Do I feel bad for say Sikh community, Sikhism and its future? I do.

Sat Sri Akal.

PS: There are many who will say, for example, Oh Sikhs or Punjab brought it upon itself. Things bad don't happen unless a majority likes it so or wants it so. This is another self doubt tactic to have people/community/Religion keep looking within their own groups and Congress has been masters at this Divide-and-Rule tactics so associated with the British in the past.

Could ANYONE have even have an inkling of the Rapid Disntegration of the Mighty Soviet Empire..say when Khruschev was around...?? early 1970s..1980s even ?? The SECONF+D Mightiest power on earth occupying and subjugating Half od EUROPE..fall apart like a broken egg..which ALL the Kings men couldnt put it together like in the Humpty Dumpty Rhyme ???
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Could anyone say the Mughal Empire would be no more while loking at its might... in Jehangirs time ?? Then it looked MASSIVE.but crumbled so soon...by 1800....just 200 years later..

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF is a FACT..and REPEATEDLY REPEATED !! in 1970 could anyone have predicted the huge debt of Obama Today ?? USA is also HISTORY...being REPEATED..along the lines of the Mighty Soviet Empire...

The man was like a lion in a pit of snakes, but why is it that history shows us that honest, simple simons are eaten up by snakes. I too, am a simple man, I never used to be, but I aspired to be Bhola, and now I am, and I too do not know how to deal with snakes, the tenth master said 'if all else fails, then unsheath the sword',
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25567

Now, I think of the other party, and the pain they will go through, if I unsheath my sword, and I just do not have the heart for it, yet acting with grace and consideration is costing me a small fortune!

Where is the balance, Should masterji have been a bit more savvy? less bhola, less humble?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25567

Although he died in peace, and maybe at peace with himself, in following the Guru's Hukam, did he do less for his brother sikhs than he could have,

Where is the balance

It is the people which demand smaller states.At best Sikhs can say that they were robbed of few districts and Chandigarh but Sikhs themselves demanded Punjab to be divided because in unified Punjab sikhs would have been 30% and chances of having sikh as Chief minister would have been none

Did I miss any news that Hindu's are migrating to Kashmir.last i read it was hindu's who were kicked out from Kashmir .Also migration of poor hindu's to Punjab is as much as they are migrating to other states,for better life.How will Sikhs feel if some white racist say that migration of sikhs to USA or canada is plan by third world countries?

Drugs in Punjab come from Pakistan .It is well known fact that from Afghanistan drugs go to Pakistan and from their it enter Punjab and then it spreads to entire India

Of course one day India will disintegrate but the question is will sikhs be able to hold their majority in Punjab or at that time they will be in minority because the demographics will decide where will punjab go

kds1980 ji, you are such a peace loving person. You really believe demographics will define boundaries in a war or dis-integration scenario. .

Brother, I think you are drinking too much of "Ganney da Rus" (Sweet Sugarcane Juice).

Sat Sri Akal.

Do you actually believe that demography of a state will play no role? and who is talking about war ,Soviet disintegrated without war