Was Guru Nanak God?

i just got home from the local Gurdwara, and there there was a sikh from England who claimed that Guru Nanak was God himself.... i thought he was ridiculous and went home to research and found these verses.

Page 136, Line 10
ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਆਰਾਧਿਆ ਦਰਗਹ ਸਚਿ ਖਰੇ ॥
हरि गुरु पूरा आराधिआ दरगह सचि खरे ॥
har gur pooraa aaraaDhi-aa dargeh sach kharay.
Those who meditate on the Perfect Guru, the Lord-Incarnate-they are judged true in the Court of the Lord.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 306, Line 14
ਨਾਨਕ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰ ਸਫਲ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮੰਗੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥੨॥
नानक सेवा करहु हरि गुर सफल दरसन की फिरि लेखा मंगै न कोई ॥२॥
naanak sayvaa karahu har gur safal darsan kee fir laykhaa mangai na ko-ee. ||2||
O Nanak, serve the Guru, the Lord Incarnate; the Blessed Vision of His Darshan is profitable, and in the end, you shall not be called to account. ||2||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok


and there are propbably also others..

it this true ? was Guru Nanak and the others God?.

if if they were, who were they praying to? If their prayers were just God showing how a prayer should be done, it means that their Prayers were empty rituals as God can not pray to God, since there is only One God.

The Guru's slept, ate, had children etc..does this mean that God is limited as a human being who needs sleep, rest, etc??

i cant make this work...seriously..how could Guru Nanak have been God?

Dear Friend

If you are asking in YES AND NO format then the simple answer is NO

Guru Nanak was NOT GOD

Instead he was at Peak state of counciousness where one is one with GOD and so can any other Human reach the the state , the same as Guru Nanak .



About THE ABOVE TWO QUOTES There is PROBLEM IN TRANSLATION AND IS GIVING THE DIFFERENT PICTURE

If you know any indian language like Punjabi /Hindi then you can appreciate that the WORD LORD INCARNATE IS THE INTERPRETATION OF THE WRITER and not mentioned by Guruji

I would recommend to follow Translation given



As I have understood that in Gurbani Guru JI and Bhagats have refered to Guru the perfect Guru and that Guru is AKAL PURAKH Himself and I firmly believe that Even for all the sikhs the Guru is AKAL PURAKH HIMSELF which has manifested in the world as SHABAD GURU that is the way it has been commnicated to the Human beings and our GURU Ji were in real sense of Guardian of the SHABAD guru and so that it could be preserved and propagated as SHABD Guru in form of GURU GRANTH Sahib to all the Humanity.



To aviod such confusion further in your Understanding of Gurbani I would suggest the TEEKA BY PROF. SAHIB SINGH JI but unfortunately it is in PUNJABI .



THIS THE COMPLETE VAAK HERE


ਜਿਸ ਦੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਕੀਤੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮੰਗੀਐ ਸਾ ਸੇਵਾ ਅਉਖੀ ਹੋਈ ॥ਨਾਨਕ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰ ਸਫਲ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮੰਗੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥੨॥



In this VAAK of Guru Sahibaan , are advising

That if you serve somebody and still you dont get liberated then that service is Dificult or in other wise uselss as you will not be liberated

in second part Guru ji Advises to Serve Perfect Guru AKAL PURAKH so that your cousisness is elevated to level of liberation where you can precive ( DARSHAN )all prevading god and get liberated .





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more verses here..

raamdaas guroo jag taaran ka-o gur jot arjun maahi Dharee. ||4||
Guru Raam Daas, to save the world, enshrined the Guru's Light into Guru Arjun. ||4||

ਜਗ ਅਉਰੁ ਨ ਯਾਹਿ ਮਹਾ ਤਮ ਮੈ ਅਵਤਾਰੁ ਉਜਾਗਰੁ ਆਨਿ ਕੀਅਉ ॥
जग अउरु न याहि महा तम मै अवतारु उजागरु आनि कीअउ ॥
jag a-or na yaahi mahaa tam mai avtaar ujaagar aan kee-a-o.
In the great darkness of this world, the Lord revealed Himself, incarnated as Guru Arjun.

ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਦੁਖ ਕੋਟਿਕ ਦੂਰਿ ਗਏ ਮਥੁਰਾ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਪੀਅਉ ॥
तिन के दुख कोटिक दूरि गए मथुरा जिन्ह अम्रित नामु पीअउ ॥
tin kay dukh kotik door ga-ay mathuraa jinH amrit naam pee-a-o.
Millions of pains are taken away, from those who drink in the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam, says Mat'huraa.

ਇਹ ਪਧਤਿ ਤੇ ਮਤ ਚੂਕਹਿ ਰੇ ਮਨ ਭੇਦੁ ਬਿਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਜਾਨ ਬੀਅਉ ॥
इह पधति ते मत चूकहि रे मन भेदु बिभेदु न जान बीअउ ॥
ih paDhat tay mat chookeh ray man bhayd bibhayd na jaan bee-a-o.
O mortal being, do not leave this path; do not think that there is any difference between God and Guru.

ਪਰਤਛਿ ਰਿਦੈ ਗੁਰ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਪੂਰਨ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਿ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਲੀਅਉ ॥੫॥
परतछि रिदै गुर अरजुन कै हरि पूरन ब्रहमि निवासु लीअउ ॥५॥
partachh ridai gur arjun kai har pooran barahm nivaas lee-a-o. ||5||
The Perfect Lord God has manifested Himself; He dwells in the heart of Guru Arjun. ||5||

ਜਬ ਲਉ ਨਹੀ ਭਾਗ ਲਿਲਾਰ ਉਦੈ ਤਬ ਲਉ ਭ੍ਰਮਤੇ ਫਿਰਤੇ ਬਹੁ ਧਾਯਉ ॥
जब लउ नही भाग लिलार उदै तब लउ भ्रमते फिरते बहु धायउ ॥
jab la-o nahee bhaag lilaar udai tab la-o bharamtay firtay baho Dhaa-ya-o.
As long as the destiny written upon my forehead was not activated, I wandered around lost, running in all directions.

ਕਲਿ ਘੋਰ ਸਮੁਦ੍ਰ ਮੈ ਬੂਡਤ ਥੇ ਕਬਹੂ ਮਿਟਿ ਹੈ ਨਹੀ ਰੇ ਪਛੁਤਾਯਉ ॥
कलि घोर समुद्र मै बूडत थे कबहू मिटि है नही रे पछुतायउ ॥
kal ghor samudar mai boodat thay kabhoo mit hai nahee ray pachhotaa-ya-o.
I was drowning in the horrible world-ocean of this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, and my remorse would never have ended.

ਤਤੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ਯਹੈ ਮਥੁਰਾ ਜਗ ਤਾਰਨ ਕਉ ਅਵਤਾਰੁ ਬਨਾਯਉ ॥
ततु बिचारु यहै मथुरा जग तारन कउ अवतारु बनायउ ॥
tat bichaar yahai mathuraa jag taaran ka-o avtaar banaa-ya-o.
O Mat'huraa, consider this essential truth: to save the world, the Lord incarnated Himself.

ਜਪ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਦੇਵ ਗੁਰੂ ਫਿਰਿ ਸੰਕਟ ਜੋਨਿ ਗਰਭ ਨ ਆਯਉ ॥੬॥
जप्यउ जिन्ह अरजुन देव गुरू फिरि संकट जोनि गरभ न आयउ ॥६॥
jap-ya-o jinH arjun dayv guroo fir sankat jon garabh na aa-ya-o. ||6||
Whoever meditates on Guru Arjun Dayv, shall not have to pass through the painful womb of reincarnation ever again. ||6||

ਕਲਿ ਸਮੁਦ੍ਰ ਭਏ ਰੂਪ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਉਧਾਰਨੁ ॥
कलि समुद्र भए रूप प्रगटि हरि नाम उधारनु ॥
kal samudar bha-ay roop pargat har naam uDhaaran.
In the ocean of this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Lord's Name has been revealed in the Form of Guru Arjun, to save the world.

ਬਸਹਿ ਸੰਤ ਜਿਸੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਦੁਖ ਦਾਰਿਦ੍ਰ ਨਿਵਾਰਨੁ ॥
बसहि संत जिसु रिदै दुख दारिद्र निवारनु ॥
baseh sant jis ridai dukh daridar nivaaran.
Pain and poverty are taken away from that person, within whose heart the Saint abides.

ਨਿਰਮਲ ਭੇਖ ਅਪਾਰ ਤਾਸੁ ਬਿਨੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥
निरमल भेख अपार तासु बिनु अवरु न कोई ॥
nirmal bhaykh apaar taas bin avar na ko-ee.
He is the Pure, Immaculate Form of the Infinite Lord; except for Him, there is no other at all.

ਮਨ ਬਚ ਜਿਨਿ ਜਾਣਿਅਉ ਭਯਉ ਤਿਹ ਸਮਸਰਿ ਸੋਈ ॥
मन बच जिनि जाणिअउ भयउ तिह समसरि सोई ॥
man bach jin jaani-a-o bha-ya-o tih samsar so-ee.
Whoever knows Him in thought, word and deed, becomes just like Him.

ਧਰਨਿ ਗਗਨ ਨਵ ਖੰਡ ਮਹਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸ੍ਵਰੂਪੀ ਰਹਿਓ ਭਰਿ ॥
धरनि गगन नव खंड महि जोति स्वरूपी रहिओ भरि ॥
Dharan gagan nav khand meh jot savroopee rahi-o bhar.
He is totally pervading the earth, the sky and the nine regions of the planet. He is the Embodiment of the Light of God.

ਭਨਿ ਮਥੁਰਾ ਕਛੁ ਭੇਦੁ ਨਹੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਅਰਜੁਨੁ ਪਰਤਖ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਹਰਿ ॥੭॥੧੯॥
भनि मथुरा कछु भेदु नही गुरु अरजुनु परतख्य हरि ॥७॥१९॥
bhan mathuraa kachh bhayd nahee gur arjun partakh-y har. ||7||19||
So speaks Mat'huraa: there is no difference between God and Guru; Guru Arjun is the Personification of the Lord Himself. ||7||19||

ਅਜੈ ਗੰਗ ਜਲੁ ਅਟਲੁ ਸਿਖ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਸਭ ਨਾਵੈ ॥
अजै गंग जलु अटलु सिख संगति सभ नावै ॥
ajai gang jal atal sikh sangat sabh naavai.
The stream of the Lord's Name flows like the Ganges, invincible and unstoppable. The Sikhs of the Sangat all bathe in it.

ਨਿਤ ਪੁਰਾਣ ਬਾਚੀਅਹਿ ਬੇਦ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਗਾਵੈ ॥
नित पुराण बाचीअहि बेद ब्रहमा मुखि गावै ॥
nit puraan baachee-ah bayd barahmaa mukh gaavai.
It appears as if the holy texts like the Puraanaas are being recited there and Brahma himself sings the Vedas.

ਅਜੈ ਚਵਰੁ ਸਿਰਿ ਢੁਲੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਲੀਅਉ ॥
अजै चवरु सिरि ढुलै नामु अम्रितु मुखि लीअउ ॥
ajai chavar sir dhulai naam amrit mukh lee-a-o.
The invincible chauri, the fly-brush, waves over His head; with His mouth, He drinks in the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam.

ਗੁਰ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਸਿਰਿ ਛਤ੍ਰੁ ਆਪਿ ਪਰਮੇਸਰਿ ਦੀਅਉ ॥
गुर अरजुन सिरि छत्रु आपि परमेसरि दीअउ ॥
gur arjun sir chhatar aap parmaysar dee-a-o.
The Transcendent Lord Himself has placed the royal canopy over the head of Guru Arjun.

ਮਿਲਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਗਦ ਅਮਰ ਗੁਰ ਗੁਰੁ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਪਹਿ ਗਯਉ ॥
मिलि नानक अंगद अमर गुर गुरु रामदासु हरि पहि गयउ ॥
mil naanak angad amar gur gur raamdaas har peh ga-ya-o.
Guru Nanak, Guru Angad, Guru Amar Daas and Guru Raam Daas met together before the Lord.

ਹਰਿਬੰਸ ਜਗਤਿ ਜਸੁ ਸੰਚਰ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ਸੁ ਕਵਣੁ ਕਹੈ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਮੁਯਉ ॥੧॥
हरिबंस जगति जसु संचर्यउ सु कवणु कहै स्री गुरु मुयउ ॥१॥
harbans jagat jas sanchar-ya-o so kavan kahai saree gur mu-ya-o. ||1||
So speaks HARBANS: Their Praises echo and resound all over the world; who can possibly say that the Great Gurus are dead? ||1||

ਦੇਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਮਹਿ ਗਯਉ ਆਪਿ ਪਰਮੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਭਾਯਉ ॥
देव पुरी महि गयउ आपि परमेस्वर भायउ ॥
dayv puree meh ga-ya-o aap parmaysvar bhaa-ya-o.
When it was the Will of the Transcendent Lord Himself, Guru Raam Daas went to the City of God.

ਹਰਿ ਸਿੰਘਾਸਣੁ ਦੀਅਉ ਸਿਰੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਤਹ ਬੈਠਾਯਉ ॥
हरि सिंघासणु दीअउ सिरी गुरु तह बैठायउ ॥
har singhaasan dee-a-o siree gur tah bathaa-ya-o.
The Lord offered Him His Royal Throne, and seated the Guru upon it.

ਰਹਸੁ ਕੀਅਉ ਸੁਰ ਦੇਵ ਤੋਹਿ ਜਸੁ ਜਯ ਜਯ ਜੰਪਹਿ ॥
रहसु कीअउ सुर देव तोहि जसु जय जय ज्मपहि ॥
rahas kee-a-o sur dayv tohi jas ja-y ja-y jampeh.
The angels and gods were delighted; they proclaimed and celebrated Your victory, O Guru.

ਅਸੁਰ ਗਏ ਤੇ ਭਾਗਿ ਪਾਪ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਕੰਪਹਿ ॥
असुर गए ते भागि पाप तिन्ह भीतरि क्मपहि ॥
asur ga-ay tay bhaag paap tinH bheetar kampeh.
The demons ran away; their sins made them shake and tremble inside.

ਕਾਟੇ ਸੁ ਪਾਪ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਨਰਹੁ ਕੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਪਾਇਯਉ ॥
काटे सु पाप तिन्ह नरहु के गुरु रामदासु जिन्ह पाइयउ ॥
kaatay so paap tinH marahu kay gur raamdaas jinH paa-i-ya-o.
Those people who found Guru Raam Daas were rid of their sins.

ਛਤ੍ਰੁ ਸਿੰਘਾਸਨੁ ਪਿਰਥਮੀ ਗੁਰ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਕਉ ਦੇ ਆਇਅਉ ॥੨॥੨੧॥੯॥੧੧॥੧੦॥੧੦॥੨੨॥੬੦॥੧੪੩॥
छत्रु सिंघासनु पिरथमी गुर अरजुन कउ दे आइअउ ॥२॥२१॥९॥११॥१०॥१०॥२२॥६०॥१४३॥
chhatar singhaasan pirathmee gur arjun ka-o day aa-i-a-o. ||2||21||9||11||10||10||22||60||143||
He gave the Royal Canopy and Throne to Guru Arjun, and came home. ||2||21||9||11||10||10||22||60||143||


-srigranth.org

Gurfateh

Kindly see the reply das posted for you with the same question at differnt forum.Das only repeats here that God in Guru spoke and Nanak is secind person often adressed by God.So it is word of God.

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The thing is... everything is god! God is everything, so we part of that everything, jus tlike the ocean and raindrops...

its when we merge into the light and become one with the creator, then we get absorbed into it. Its like going into the void, though we cant direct the void, we can go into it. So the gurus were going through god realisation and got absorbed into the light of god. But the gurus were no the creators.

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'From the light we had come from...to the light we shall go back to'

Yes, but that's not the issue being discusssed. People are asking whether the Gurus were literally the human incarnations of God à la the Christian view of Jesus Christ.

The very fact that Guru Gobind Singh Ji makes an example of past heroes of Hindu scriptures as becoming obsessed with themselves and believing themselves to be God indicates as much that the idea that Guru and God are literally the same entity is about as non-Sikkh an idea as you can have.

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Depends on what God is taken to be. If every thing is (taken as) God then Guru Nanak was God as is everything else. If not then he was no more God than anyone else.

Precisely. Though I tend to subscribe to the former.

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Thanks , to both of you for making it even more clear to describe it .

Totally agree with you both




Jatinder Singh

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