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20-Jan-2004, 13:27 PM
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| | | | | Did Guru Gobind Singh Ji Have More Than One Wife? The wrong impression that the Guru had more than one wife was created by those writers who were ignorant of Punjabi culture. Later authors accepted those writings indicating more than one marriage of the Guru and presented it as a royal act. During those days kings, chiefs, and other important people usually had more than one wife as a symbol of their being great and superior to the common man. Guru Gobind Singh, being a true king, was justified in their eyes to have had more than one wife. This is actually incorrect. In Punjab, there are two and sometimes three big functions connected with marriage, i.e., engagement, wedding, and Muklawa. Big gatherings and singings are held at all these three functions. In many cases, the engagement was held as soon as the person had passed the infant stage. Even today engagements at 8 to 12 years of age are not uncommon in some interior parts of India. The wedding is performed a couple of years after the engagement. After the wedding, it takes another couple of years for the bride to move in with her in laws and live there. This is called Muklawa. A dowry and other gifts to the bride are usually given at this time of this ceremony to help her to establish a new home. Now, the wedding and Muklawa are performed on the same day and only when the partners are adults. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-gurus/34203-did-guru-gobind-singh-ji-have.html
A big befitting function and other joyful activities were held at Anand Pur, according to custom, at the time of the engagement of the Guru. The bride, Mata Jeeto Ji, resided at Lahore, which was the capital of the Mughal rulers who were not on good terms with the Gurus. When the time for the marriage ceremony came, it was not considered desirable for the Guru to go to Lahore, along with the armed Sikhs in large numbers. Furthermore, it would involve a lot of traveling and huge expenses, in addition to the inconvenience to the Sangat, younger and old, who wished to witness the marriage of the Guru. Therefore, as mentioned in the Sikh chronicles, Lahore was 'brought' to Anand Pur Sahib for the marriage instead of the Guru going to Lahore. A scenic place a couple of miles to the north of Anand Pur was developed into a nice camp for the marriage. This place was named Guru Ka Lahore. Today, people are going to Anand Pur visit this place as well. The bride was brought to this place by her parents and the marria ge was celebrated with a very huge gathering attending the ceremony. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34203
The two elaborate functions, one at the time of engagement and the other at the time of the marriage of the Guru, gave the outside observers the impression of two marriages. They had reason to assume this because a second name was also there, i.e., Mata Sundari Ji. After the marriage, there is a custom in the Panjab of giving a new affectionate name to the bride by her inlaws. Mata Jeeto Ji, because of her fine features and good looks, was named Sundari (beautiful) by the Guru's mother. The two names and two functions gave a basis for outsiders to believe that the Guru had two wives. In fact, the Guru had one wife with two names as explained above. Some historians even say that Guru Gobind Singh had a third wife, Mata Sahib Kaur. In 1699, the Guru asked her to put patasas (puffed sugar) in the water for preparing Amrit when he founded the Khalsa Panth. Whereas Guru Gobind Singh is recognized as the spiritual father of the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Kaur is recognized as the spiritual mother of the Khalsa. People not conversant with the Amrit ceremony mistakenly assume that Mata Sahib Kaur was the wife of Guru Gobind Singh. As Guru Gobind Singh is the spiritual but not the biological father of the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Devan is the spiritual mother of the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Devan is the spiritual mother of the Khalsa but not the wife of Guru Gobind Singh. From ignorance of Punjabi culture and the Amrit ceremony, some writers mistook these three names of the women in the life of Guru Gobind Singh as the names of his three wives. Another reason for this misunderstanding is that the parents of Mata Sahib Devan, as some Sikh chronicles have mentioned, had decided to marry her to Guru Gobind Singh. When the proposal was brought for discussion to Anandpur, the Guru had already been married. Therefore, the Guru said that he could not have another wife since he was already married. The dilemma before the parents of the girl was that, the proposal having become public, no Sikh would be willing to marry her. The Guru agreed for her to stay at Anand Pur but without accepting her as his wife. The question arose, as most women desire to have children, how could she have one without being married. The Guru told, "She will be the "mother" of a great son who will live forever and be known all over the world." The people understood the hidden meaning of his statement only after the Guru associated Mata Sahib Devan with preparing Amrit by bringing patasas. It is, therefore, out of ignorance that some writers consider Mata Sahib Devan as the worldly wife of Guru Gobind Singh.
NOTE: (Based on the results on the research by Dr. Gurbaksh Singh ji) http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist.../matajito.html
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20-Jan-2011, 15:35 PM
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| | | | | Re: Did Guru Gobind Singh Ji Have More Than One Wife? There is a majestic insect in the US that returns every 7 years to create havoc in farm lands. The 7-year locust. Like that insect the question of gurus' 2nd, 3rd, and 4th wives returns to the fore and at the top of the forum, on a predictable cycle. Just a matter of time. Each time that happens, someone has to go through the entire explanation of what really happened and why the mistaken stories even exist. Now with this article close at hand, all anyone has to do is post the link with a few cogent remarks, and the job is done. Thanks a lot. | 
20-Jan-2011, 16:23 PM
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| | | | | Re: Did Guru Gobind Singh Ji Have More Than One Wife? thank you very much for this information.
But even the like to Sikh History website says this initially:
"On 30th March 1699, Guru Gobind Singh created Khalsa at Anandpur. He declared that this Khalsa will be both Saints as well as Soldiers. When Gobind Singh was preparing amrit (nectar) for initiating the Khalsa, on this occasion , stirring clean water in an iron bowl with a khanda or double-edged sword, Mata Sundari ji, as the tradition goes, came with sugar crystals (Patasha) which were dropped into the vessel at the Guru's bidding. Sweetness was thus added to the alchemy of steel. Mata Sundari ji was the first Khalsa Woman." | 
20-Jan-2011, 16:45 PM
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| | | | | Re: Did Guru Gobind Singh Ji Have More Than One Wife? Ishna ji
And that is only one of two women who are allegedly his "second" wife. The Sikh History site is usually excellent. The statement however that Mata Sundari ji was the first Khalsa woman and the Mother of the Khalsa relates to her role at Vaisakhi not her marriage status. This is the explanation given at the Sikh History site I think you are talking about. Mata Jito ji became Mata Sundari ji after marriage as was the custom in Punjabi families. Further confusion is created by the following statement which is in the thread starter Some historians even say that Guru Gobind Singh had a third wife, Mata Sahib Kaur. In 1699, the Guru asked her to put patasas (puffed sugar) in the water for preparing Amrit when he founded the Khalsa Panth. Whereas Guru Gobind Singh is recognized as the spiritual father of the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Kaur is recognized as the spiritual mother of the Khalsa. All over sugar puffs. Did Mata Sundari bring them forward or did Mata Sahib Kaur? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34203
So who indeed was the mother of the Khalsa? Mata Jitoji/Sundari ji or Mata Sahib Kaur? I know of at least one Singh who swears that Mata Sahib Kaur was also a wife to Guru Gobind Singh, making her the mother of the Khalsa. He had one wife at a time.
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