Connecting People to Sikhism                        Serving Since 2004
  Sikhism Philosophy Network
  Members 6,260 | Topics 20,000 | Messages 76,713 | Online 274
HomepageRegisterLink Partners

The True Savior

Discuss The True Savior within the Sikh Gurus forums, part of the Sikhism category; I will posting the article "The True Savior" in small readable sections here. FYI, this article has been ...

 
Go Back   Sikhism > Sikhism > Sikh Gurus

Announcements

» Information Box
Sikh Gurus
(Under Construction)
  1. Guru Nanak Dev Ji
  2. Guru Angad Dev Ji
  3. Guru Amar Dass Ji
  4. Guru Ram Das Ji
  5. Guru Arjan Dev Ji
  6. Guru Har Gobind Ji
  7. Guru Har Rai Ji
  8. Guru HarKrishan Ji
  9. Guru Teg Bahadur Ji
10. Guru Gobind Singh Ji
11. Guru Granth Sahib Ji
» Main Menu
 Kirtan
 Blogs
 Books Store
 Fun Games!
 Groups (New)
 Albums (New)
 Donations
 Feedback
 Links Directory
» Search
» Recent Topics
Go to first new post Is it a sin for a Sikh to marry a... ( 1 2 3 4 5... Last Page)
By jaspi
Today 08:00 AM
152 Replies, 10,664 Views
Go to first new post Gurmat Sangeet Network - Gurmat... ( 1 2 3 4)
Today 07:43 AM
31 Replies, 913 Views
Go to first new post Regarding Sikh girls ( 1 2 3 4 5... Last Page)
By pk70
Today 06:42 AM
101 Replies, 3,594 Views
Go to first new post Nigura ( 1 2)
By pk70
Today 06:17 AM
19 Replies, 174 Views
Go to first new post Science & Spirituality
By pk70
Today 05:48 AM
2 Replies, 42 Views
Go to first new post Sikh Sangat challanged Prof....
Today 02:09 AM
8 Replies, 761 Views
Go to first new post Arcade - Update ( 1 2 3 4 5... Last Page)
Today 12:54 AM
431 Replies, 15,598 Views
Go to first new post FOOD FOR THOUGHT : Life as a game !
By namjap
Yesterday 11:09 PM
1 Replies, 39 Views
Reply
 
LinkBack Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 13-07-2007, 08:33 PM
kaur-1's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Jul 2006
Posts: 892
Arrow The True Savior

I will posting the article "The True Savior" in small readable sections here. FYI, this article has been created to refute an anti-Sikh propoganda site started by the Muslims. Yes they are at it again.


The True Savior


By: Bijla Singh

Throughout the article “The Expendable Wife” Muslims have made ridiculous assumptions about Guru Nanak Sahib and tried to show him as a neglectful man which is far from the actual truth. Further, the claim is made that Guru Sahib is not an ideal role model for the humanity to follow. In this article, by Guru’s grace we will not only disapprove the polemics of Muslims but also prove that Guru Sahib is by far the best role model and show the trueness of Guru Nanak Sahib, the only true savior of the world.

Guru Nanak Sahib is the Satguru, a true Guru, who is highest of all, always has been and will always be.

You are the True Guru, throughout the four ages; You Yourself are the Transcendent Lord. (Ang 1406)

Guru Nanak is the greatest of all; He saved my honor in this Dark Age of Kali Yuga. (Ang 750)



Mission of Guru Sahib

Muslims citing the source from Patwant Singh’s book claim that Guru Sahib left His home to “find answers” and spend time “in wilderness”. It seems as though neither Muslims nor Patwant Singh have studied the Sikh history or fully understood it because neither one of them presented any credible sources to prove such claims. What questions did He have answers to which could only be found in Tibet, Sri Lanka and Medina? Did he find the answers? If yes where are they written? Which particular question was answered at which place during which journey? Both have no answers because such ridiculous claims are nowhere to be found in any credible history source. The oldest record of history of Guru Sahib is written by Bhai Gurdas Ji which gives us a factual look at the reality.

Before Guru Nanak Sahib there was utter darkness of ignorance in the minds of humanity. Islam and Hinduism had failed to provide proper guidance to the people and path of true peacefulness. Everyone was engrossed in lust and greed. Guru Sahib’s mission was to show a right path to humanity, which provides pace of mind, spiritual enlightenment and helps one to achieve salvation. For this very purpose He traveled in all four directions and visited many religious centers.

In his meditation, Baba found the whole earth burning (with the fire of lust, greed and anger). Without Guru there is utter darkness and he heard the cries of the common men…… Thus he went out to depurate humanity on earth. (Vaar 1)

Thus it was for this purpose that Guru Sahib left His home. Bhai Gurdas Ji further states:

Baba liberated all four directions and nine divisions of earth. Gurmukh (Guru Nanak) has emerged in this kaliyug, the Dark Age. (Vaar 1)

Therefore, it is clear that the mission was to provide a path of liberation and preach the truth which Guru Sahib successfully accomplished.




to be continued
__________________
--------------------
hir jIau swcw swcI bwxI sbid imlwvw hoeI ]1]
The Dear Lord is True, and True is the Word of His Bani. Through the Shabad, we merge with Him. ||1||
ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥
There is One Bani there is One Guru there is one Shabad to contemplate (ang 646)

Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 13-07-2007, 09:25 PM
randip singh's Avatar
SPN Forum Leader
 
Enrolled: May 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 39
Posts: 667
Re: The True Savior

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaur-1 View Post
I will posting the article "The True Savior" in small readable sections here. FYI, this article has been created to refute an anti-Sikh propoganda site started by the Muslims. Yes they are at it again.



The True Savior



By: Bijla Singh

Throughout the article “The Expendable Wife” Muslims have made ridiculous assumptions about Guru Nanak Sahib and tried to show him as a neglectful man which is far from the actual truth. Further, the claim is made that Guru Sahib is not an ideal role model for the humanity to follow. In this article, by Guru’s grace we will not only disapprove the polemics of Muslims but also prove that Guru Sahib is by far the best role model and show the trueness of Guru Nanak Sahib, the only true savior of the world.

Guru Nanak Sahib is the Satguru, a true Guru, who is highest of all, always has been and will always be.

You are the True Guru, throughout the four ages; You Yourself are the Transcendent Lord. (Ang 1406)

Guru Nanak is the greatest of all; He saved my honor in this Dark Age of Kali Yuga. (Ang 750)


Mission of Guru Sahib

Muslims citing the source from Patwant Singh’s book claim that Guru Sahib left His home to “find answers” and spend time “in wilderness”. It seems as though neither Muslims nor Patwant Singh have studied the Sikh history or fully understood it because neither one of them presented any credible sources to prove such claims. What questions did He have answers to which could only be found in Tibet, Sri Lanka and Medina? Did he find the answers? If yes where are they written? Which particular question was answered at which place during which journey? Both have no answers because such ridiculous claims are nowhere to be found in any credible history source. The oldest record of history of Guru Sahib is written by Bhai Gurdas Ji which gives us a factual look at the reality.

Before Guru Nanak Sahib there was utter darkness of ignorance in the minds of humanity. Islam and Hinduism had failed to provide proper guidance to the people and path of true peacefulness. Everyone was engrossed in lust and greed. Guru Sahib’s mission was to show a right path to humanity, which provides pace of mind, spiritual enlightenment and helps one to achieve salvation. For this very purpose He traveled in all four directions and visited many religious centers.

In his meditation, Baba found the whole earth burning (with the fire of lust, greed and anger). Without Guru there is utter darkness and he heard the cries of the common men…… Thus he went out to depurate humanity on earth. (Vaar 1)

Thus it was for this purpose that Guru Sahib left His home. Bhai Gurdas Ji further states:

Baba liberated all four directions and nine divisions of earth. Gurmukh (Guru Nanak) has emerged in this kaliyug, the Dark Age. (Vaar 1)

Therefore, it is clear that the mission was to provide a path of liberation and preach the truth which Guru Sahib successfully accomplished.




to be continued
Hmm I would disagree about the criticism of Patwant Singh.....I would say he is very well versed in Sikh teaching......
__________________
Randip Singh
Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 14-07-2007, 12:13 AM
kaur-1's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Jul 2006
Posts: 892
Re: The True Savior

Continued

The True Savior

By: Bijla Singh

Neglect or Sacrifice?

Muslims claim Guru Sahib “left home and neglected his family” and “did not fulfill his responsibilities”. Such claims can only be made by those who fail to understand the truth and are blinded by ignorance. The fact is that Guru Sahib wanted to liberate the humanity from the fire of lust, anger and greed because such were (and still are) the main causes of one’s separation from Waheguru (God). Those who do not meditate upon Naam are engrossed in five vices and suffer in their entire life. Guru Sahib preached Naam and whosoever obtained it forsake all worldly pleasures that lead to separation from Waheguru.

If Guru Sahib wanted to deliver peace to the humanity would he not have started His mission from his own family? He very well did and the first person to become Sikh was His sister, Bibi Nanki Ji, followed by many others including His own wife, Mata Sulakhanee Ji. The message delivered through Guru Sahib by Waheguru not only provided absolute blissful peace for people but also eradicated the five vices (Lust, Anger, Greed, Worldly Attachment and Ego).

Lust, anger, egotism, jealousy and desire are eliminated by chanting the Name of the Lord. (Ang 1388)

It would’ve been very selfish to know the path of liberation and not show it to others. Guru Sahib wanted everyone to enjoy the true peace. The only way to do that was by traveling in all four directions and preaching the truth. He targeted the major religious centers first. He went to Hardwar and Banaras (Hindu places), Mecca, Baghdad and Medina (Muslim places), Nepal, Sri Lanka and Tibet which are Buddhist places.

Guru Sahib left His home for a greater good i.e. to provide true happiness and peace to the humanity. It was a sacrifice He made for the mission He was bestowed upon by Akal Purakh (God). Mata Sulakhanee, His wife, was a very wise person and a devout Sikh. She clearly understood the mission and fully supported her husband in this great feat. There are no sources that claim that Mata Sulakhanee did not approve Guru Sahib leaving home or if she was not consulted in making this decision. She was satisfied by the blessings of Naam and wasn’t attached to the materialistic pleasures.

In Sikhi, Naam (constant meditation of God) has the power to provide all satisfactions. With Naam one’s desire to eat, drink and sleep goes away. There have been numerous accounts of Sikhs who never got married and never had sexual desires. Muslim Sufis, Buddhist Monks and many Hindu and Christian saints live the life of celibacy. Most fundamental teaching of Sikhi is to control one’s desires and be absorbed in Naam.

Mata Sulakhanee enjoyed the company of Guru Nanak Sahib and had received the blessings of Naam. She had attained peace and spiritual level of attachment only with Waheguru. Had she been so worried about her sex life, she never would have consented Guru Sahib to go. According to history records such as Prachin Panth Parkash and Nanak Parkash, Mata Ji stayed with her in-laws while Guru Sahib was away. Guru Sahib was from a wealthy family which proves that neither Mata Ji nor the kids were deprived of basic worldly needs and they were well taken care of financially. Furthermore, disagreement between Guru Sahib and Mata Ji would have resulted in separation but such never happened. After each journey Guru Sahib returned home but never once did Mata Sulakhanee Ji object Him going away again. She understood very well that Guru Nanak Sahib had come to this earth for the entire humanity and it was absolutely necessary for Him to spread the message of God.

By taking journeys Guru Sahib taught that for the sake of truth one should not hesitate to sacrifice not only himself but also his entire family. Sikhs, being the true followers, lived up to it and sacrificed their families and children but never gave up the true path of life, Sikhi. Therefore, it is utterly foolish to disregard His sacrifice and turn it into neglect.


to be continued
__________________
--------------------
hir jIau swcw swcI bwxI sbid imlwvw hoeI ]1]
The Dear Lord is True, and True is the Word of His Bani. Through the Shabad, we merge with Him. ||1||
ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥
There is One Bani there is One Guru there is one Shabad to contemplate (ang 646)

Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 14-07-2007, 02:04 AM
aad0002's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Dec 2006
Location: Chester PA
Posts: 2,330
Blog Entries: 1
Send a message via Skype™ to aad0002
Re: The True Savior

Kaur Bhenji

It is baffling isn't it? Archaeologists go on expeditions, anthropologists go into the field, biologists take post-doctoral fellowships away from home, preachers of all faiths evangelize in foreign countries, all leaving families behind, all serving a greater good. They are featured on television programs and receive awards as distinguished citizens. Nanaak goes on a few trips and centuries later, in some quarters, becomes the subject of suspicion, criticism and outrage. Maybe there is a hidden agenda.

Anyway this is a good resource for a comparative study of values. Thank you.
__________________
gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.


Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 28-02-2008, 09:51 AM
carolineislands's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Jan 2008
Location: Kansas & Haiti
Posts: 288
Re: The True Savior

Quote:
Originally Posted by aad0002 View Post
Maybe there is a hidden agenda.
Perhaps to shift the focus away from the recent bringing to light of the shortcomings of their own founder?

Except that agenda is not the least bit hidden.

Besides, Guru Nanak's wife approved of his travels, did she not?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 28-02-2008, 09:59 AM
aad0002's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Dec 2006
Location: Chester PA
Posts: 2,330
Blog Entries: 1
Send a message via Skype™ to aad0002
Re: The True Savior

Caroline ji

The story as I recall was that Naanak had to have some encouraging discussions with his wife Sulakhani. His sister Nanaki was supportive of Naanak from childhood. But I am not sure.

And yes, the hidden agenda is pretty obvious. In political forums, the idea that Naanak abandoned his family would be called a "red herring."
__________________
gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.


Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 28-02-2008, 01:55 PM
namjap's Avatar
ਨਾਮ ਤੇਰੇ ਕੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਲਗਾਈ
 
Enrolled: Jul 2007
Location: Seremban, Malaysia
Posts: 2,004
Blog Entries: 1
Re: The True Savior

Is this all a chemistry test that if we fuse this item with that event = A++ result.
But if this formula didnt work 'favourably' then another kind of test will 'prove' that they are correct.


Evad OOcha Hovai Koyei
Tis Uche Ko Janney Soei

Please don't become curious regarding my comments and don't answer to it.
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 28-02-2008, 05:40 PM
aad0002's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Dec 2006
Location: Chester PA
Posts: 2,330
Blog Entries: 1
Send a message via Skype™ to aad0002
Re: The True Savior

OK. We won't ask you any questions.
__________________
gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.


Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 28-02-2008, 08:42 PM
carolineislands's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Jan 2008
Location: Kansas & Haiti
Posts: 288
Re: The True Savior

I am reading a book about the life of Guru Nanak. It is just a short book and probably not highly esteemed by the purists, but it has been an inspiration to me and has brought more things to my awareness that confirm the fact that Guru Nanak brought a message that I can follow with no cognitive dissonance. After I read this one, I will delve into deeper studies but I wanted to read a little on each Guru, while reading the daily Hukamnama and as much SGGS as I can. I am also reading a book called "The Name of My Beloved, Verses of the Sikh Gurus" translated by Nikky Guninder Kaur and reccommended by Khushwant Singh. At any rate, what I have read so far, along with info about Guru Nanak on the internet gave me the impressions that Guru Nanak's wife was not happy with the idea of him leaving to help others but that she accepted it and was supportive of him after she understood the necessity and importance of his work.

Of course, somebody will try to make this out to be something negative, at the same time, conveniently glossing over the fact that generations of men have been absent from their families because of duties of their "profession" such as soldiers, merchants, etc...

It's pretty pitiful when the only thing bad you can think of to say about someone is that his wife didn't really want him to go out on his duty until they talked about it. And then to go on and write an article! Talk about grasping at straws!!!

What I like about the teachers I respect, like Guru Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh, Jesus, etc... is that whenever you talk about them you don't have to preface your discussion with a disclaimer such as, "Take into consideration that child marriage was the custom at the time..." I like the fact that we can just say, "Guru Nanak..." and not have to make excuses for him in any way.

That's not true of all paths. And perhaps some are trying to make it untrue of others in order to justify their own.

Just a thought. Admitedly, I am no scholar -- not in Sikhi anyhow.

Joy to all today!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 28-02-2008, 09:13 PM
Archived_Member1's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Apr 2007
Posts: 942
Re: The True Savior

Quote:
Originally Posted by carolineislands View Post
I am also reading a book called "The Name of My Beloved, Verses of the Sikh Gurus" translated by Nikky Guninder Kaur and reccommended by Khushwant Singh.
slightly off topic (but what's new )

Nikky Gurinder Kaur wrote an incredible book called "The Feminine Principle in the Sikh Vision of the Transcendent". i'm in the middle of it right now and all i can say is that it's a MUST for anyone who is interested learning more about how unique Sikhi is in it's non-patriarchal approach to the divine.
__________________
-Archived_Member
aakha jeeva visrai mar jao
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
true, savior


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
weird but true etinder Interfaith Dialogues 6 17-04-2008 09:44 PM
is it true??? sikhsoldier Sikh Youth 3 27-06-2006 05:22 PM
Who is a true disciple Soul_jyot Interfaith Dialogues 0 09-02-2006 07:05 PM
Becoming a True Human Being Soul_jyot Interfaith Dialogues 0 18-08-2005 08:46 PM
Who is a True Muslim ?? Neutral Singh Interfaith Dialogues 10 10-01-2005 09:19 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0.1
 


1 2 3