Propaganda against Radha Soami Satsang Beas Dera

Gurjot317 · #1 (**permalink**) 05-Aug-2012, 17:02 PM

Sat Shri Akal ji,

This is my first post n thread on the Forum.First of all,i would like to tell you about my objective to come here.I love a girl who shares Khalsa as surname and i was not aware about that there are issues b.w us and i tried to search about the mess then i came to know about the website.I have something to share with you and we believe in sant mat n disciples of Guru granth sahib n girl parents are against RSSB.

I hv heard a lot of things which are anti RssB and which is completely false..

like..

1) Dera allows tobacco etc?? no...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sects-groups-cults/38887-propaganda-against-radha-soami-satsang-beas.html
2)Dera allows drinking/Meat etc?? no..
3)Dera captures land etc?? i think no....

We are 6-7 friends who live together and one of them was at gurudwara about which a lot of propaganda was created that dera occupied it by force but its false..

He told me that Land was purchased in 7 crore Rupees and proper registration was done and with full respect Baba ji' guru granth sahib was placed to other place with respect and land was allotted to place Baba ji 's granth.But media and other religious parties made a propaganda that dera occupied land.its rubbish....Even Baba gurinder singh did ardaas and Guru Granth Sahib was respect fully placed to other place..now see wat media says...

4)A week Ago,near ludhiana a satsang ghar was attacked and every thing like doors,taps,walls were hammered by few groups..but they thought that Dera will complain about it but dera dint do it and every thing was fixed in before morning and satsang took place.no paper reported it n not channel.

5)Dera get donations from people....Thats rubbish..watever people send there as donation......you cant arrange a langar of one time with that money....

6)Dera speaks against sikhism?? n ask dem to leave sikhism....no..

I never heard it and there are satsangs on internet ...see where they said so..

and one important thing...i would like to share wid u..it was time when sant maskeen ji was in his last days..

We know that Sant maskeen ji never agreed with dera on one issue and it was that live guru...so few days before his swargwaas,maskeen ji arrranged a meeting with his 12-15 followers with baba gurinder singh.
Since He was against RSSB and baba gurinder singh so he asked his followers with him to ask questions while he will remain silent and he had no respect for baba gurinder singh.He taught 12-15 Questions to all his follower who were with him that u will ask this n that question to baba as ur own questions...in actual,these were the questions in the mind of maskeen ji but he dint want to talk with baba gurinder singh.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38887

During meeting every question was raised n answered by baba gurinder singh ji and maskeen ji remained silent and when discussion was over then baba gurinder asked maskeen ji...

"" Hor koi Question hai tawade kol Maskeen ji jeda tusi poochna chandey ho???""

Maskeen ji got shocked and den he said that its my mistake of whole life that i couldnt recognize you.

There are loadz of bad things said about dera etc but these are false n misinterpreted mostly...I say 10 things wrong and these things changes into 100 in no time...

i would request every body to dont loose your faith n religion but once go to dera and listen n search wat they say....u will get answers of this propagandas.....

So my apologies are in your feet mere bhain prawo....kisi da dil dukhey te hath jod ke maafi hai ...but main rok ni sakya apne aap nu.....

kaafi kuj galat kya gya hai.....
even Radha Soami da matlab hi shiv dayal singh di wife naal jod ke vekhya gya hai....jo bilkul galt hai....

Gurinder singh khud hi bot rich ne n he doesnt control dera etc..n he doesnt own property of dera....

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 06-Aug-2012, 06:32 AM

OUR one and ONLY GURU is Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. AS long as you dont VIOLATE that guideline and preach about Living dehdharees...doesnt matter what you call them..guru, satguru, sant baba whatever...its ok to post your views. Disrespect towards Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, SRM, Sikh Maryadas, History etc wont be allowed without a suitable rejoinder.

itsmaneet · #3 (**permalink**) 06-Aug-2012, 19:50 PM

Dear Gurjot Ji

It's good that you put forward your views but my only small quest is -

Whats the need of Deras? The same teachings or say teachings are of Guru Granth Sahib Ji can be conveyed thru Gurudwaras.

Sant / Baba etc etc are just mediums to convey the teachings ..... why it can't be done through Gurudwaras ? What's the need of construction crores of ruppess Deras whereas the same money can be used in other important prachar activites ....

harry haller · #4 (**permalink**) 06-Aug-2012, 20:27 PM

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Whats the need of Deras? The same teachings or say teachings are of Guru Granth Sahib Ji can be conveyed thru Gurudwaras.

same?

Gurjot317 · #5 (**permalink**) 06-Aug-2012, 22:20 PM

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Originally Posted by itsmaneet

Dear Gurjot Ji

It's good that you put forward your views but my only small quest is -

Whats the need of Deras? The same teachings or say teachings are of Guru Granth Sahib Ji can be conveyed thru Gurudwaras.

Sant / Baba etc etc are just mediums to convey the teachings ..... why it can't be done through Gurudwaras ? What's the need of construction crores of ruppess Deras whereas the same money can be used in other important prachar activites ....

Deras are made of people and people comes from society.if you think its way of collecting the charity and money n business den its wrong..well,i agree there are lots of deras who do it but our point was wats the need of gurus whn gurudwaras are available?

As per bible,Jesus once said that i m here to collect those souls who are marked or those who i m allowed for.

Same satsang can be done in gurudwara and same can be done in Satsang ghar but the thing which creates difference is live guru.

You need teacher for even learning ABC and even if u want to learn anything..u will need guru...

So wat u think u can get ur soul away from trap of kaal w/o any guru?...no..

KAAL used its methods not only outside but also inside and its guru who saves inside and we can recognize guru inside only whn we have seen dem alive in real life.so we need guru in real life coz our real journey starts from inside and Kaal dont leave soul even inside coz its the ruler of every soul of earth or anywhere...and it doesnt allow any soul to pass freely.so its game and all religious books are telling us about the rules n regulations n how we can make our lord happy and other laws...Find out any holy book..u will find same but again the same qns is how can we get the way when we reach inside and who will save us??...Kaal will eat dat kind of souls alive who goes like dat coz they loss demselves n no body is there to show dem way.

Kanwaljit Singh · #6 (**permalink**) 07-Aug-2012, 06:13 AM

Sikhi has to be a flat heirarchy. No man is greater or lesser. If we make other humans as our ideals, we only fall behind in the line after them.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 07-Aug-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanwaljit Singh

Sikhi has to be a flat heirarchy. No man is greater or lesser. If we make other humans as our ideals, we only fall behind in the line after them.

This is why Guru Arjun Ji warns us in Sukhmani...Manukh ki seva BIRTHEE Jaan...and steers us TOWARDS seva only of the GURU-SHABAD-AKAL PURAKH ONLY. True SEVA of Shabad Guru is to FOLLOW the Teachings set forth in Gurbani to become HUMANS...rather than KARTOOT Passu ki Manukh Zaat...ALPHA MALE and ALPHA FEMALE are genetically ok for ANIMALS..becasue they need the pack mentality to survive..BUT any HUMAN who desires to be Alpha Human...Sant..Sri 108, Guru, Satguru, aacha Patshah, Maharaj, Mahapurash,Spiritual master, Master, Pujiah hoyah etc etc etc etc and have crowds FOLLOWING his every step...is NOT doing genuine seva of Akal Purakh becasue hes USURPING the Power of Akal Purakh for his own personal gain ..

Gurjot317 · #8 (**permalink**) 07-Aug-2012, 19:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanwaljit Singh

Sikhi has to be a flat heirarchy. No man is greater or lesser. If we make other humans as our ideals, we only fall behind in the line after them.

Only Humans can be made our ideals...God will never come to teach us this ns that coz we are not enough strong to face that almighty power or even we cant see that sun by looking at it through naked eyes den how can we see power who has created every thing.

Only left out creature is Human being whom we can understand and look at history,the arrival of saints never stopped..kabir saab,bulleshah,GuruNanak ji to Guru gobind singh ji.....they all came in human form.I mentioned in earlier post that why we need live guru?..

Although u will find none of the RSSB followers in counter arguments and i m no body to do it and i m doing wrong....so i apologize for it

Kanwaljit Singh · #9 (**permalink**) 08-Aug-2012, 00:20 AM

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Only Humans can be made our ideals...God will never come to teach us this ns that coz we are not enough strong to face that almighty power

Hmm I think no human can teach us home building like birds or how to love like dogs. Remember, Sikhs are God Loving, not God fearing.

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or even we cant see that sun by looking at it through naked eyes den how can we see power who has created every thing.

Well I see the sun all the time. I have stopped wearing sunglasses for I wanted to see the sun with naked eyes

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Only left out creature is Human being whom we can understand and look at history,the arrival of saints never stopped..kabir saab,bulleshah,GuruNanak ji to Guru gobind singh ji.....they all came in human form.I mentioned in earlier post that why we need live guru?..

What we needed was Gyan! And that we have in form of Guru Granth Sahib!

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So wat u think u can get ur soul away from trap of kaal w/o any guru?...no..

No Human Guru is free from Kaal (Death)

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KAAL used its methods not only outside but also inside and its guru who saves inside and we can recognize guru inside only whn we have seen dem alive in real life.so we need guru in real life coz our real journey starts from inside and Kaal dont leave soul even inside coz its the ruler of every soul of earth or anywhere...and it doesnt allow any soul to pass freely.so its game and all religious books are telling us about the rules n regulations n how we can make our lord happy and other laws...Find out any holy book..u will find same but again the same qns is how can we get the way when we reach inside and who will save us??...Kaal will eat dat kind of souls alive who goes like dat coz they loss demselves n no body is there to show dem way.

trouble is we just need to do what is written in Guru Granth Sahib. And remember, u dont learn to walk by watching someone else. u r helped, but u dont watch and learn. its when u need to reach things kept at a height, u grab at sm chair, take support and try stand up. reading from some scripture and looking at some living person is same thing, what is needed is the will to submit to Truth.