Shariah & implications for Sikhs?

Rory · #1 (**permalink**) 10-Jul-2012, 23:02 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...UK-cities.html

With increasing Moslem populations in Western countries, it does seem that at some point within the next few centuries, Moslems will demand Shariah in countries where they have high or majority populations.
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This is quite a dim prospect to me, what are your views on Shariah & how do you think it will affect Sikhs if Shariah was to be introduced in the UK & US?
Do you think Shariah will prevail in Western countries?

I reckon there will have to be some major change if countries such as England want to stop Moslems from overwhelming & establishing Shariah.

Auzer · #2 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2012, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rory

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...UK-cities.html

With increasing Moslem populations in Western countries, it does seem that at some point within the next few centuries, Moslems will demand Shariah in countries where they have high or majority populations.

This is quite a dim prospect to me, what are your views on Shariah & how do you think it will affect Sikhs if Shariah was to be introduced in the UK & US?
Do you think Shariah will prevail in Western countries?

I reckon there will have to be some major change if countries such as England want to stop Moslems from overwhelming & establishing Shariah.

Oh no ..not again!

This Anjem Chaudry guy is an idiot. Muslims and non-Muslims in British makes joke about him. He is not even significant..How much 'following' he has got? Yup..like 100 at max?

There will be NO 'Muslim-Majority' in Europe ....

Europe is going to be 'Atheist Majority' , if anything other than 'Christian Majority'.

It is sad that media portrays this loon as 'Muslim leader' ..really? Muslim Community of Europe is not represented by such idiots.

European Muslims are represented by people like Tariq Ramadan , Majid Nawaz , Kistiane Backer , Hamza Tzortiz , Adnan Rashid , Nabila Ramdani , Mehdi Hassan , Abdullah Al Andulusi etc etc etc

In the above mentioned list , you have ALL spectrum of Muslim views... From conservative Islamic to liberal ... But these are 'European Muslims' -- not lunactics like Anjem Chaudry ...

There is simple fact of civilizations :

Islamic Shari'a is not for Europe .......

Western Democracy is not for China .....

Russian Communism is not for United States....

So on and so forth. Every culture has it own way of governing itself...

There would be NO Shari'a in Europe....
Chill...

Rory · #3 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2012, 05:45 AM

Thanks for the reply Auzerji.

I've tried to learn a lot about Islam but I might still be ignorant, so sorry in advance if I'm mistaken.
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Doesn't Qur'an teach that before the end of the world, all nations will have to come under Shariah? If so, why, as a Muslim, do you not believe Shariah is supposed to come to Europe?

Auzer · #4 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2012, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rory

Thanks for the reply Auzerji.

I've tried to learn a lot about Islam but I might still be ignorant, so sorry in advance if I'm mistaken.
Doesn't Qur'an teach that before the end of the world, all nations will have to come under Shariah? If so, why, as a Muslim, do you not believe Shariah is supposed to come to Europe?

No problem! It is good to ask Muslims regarding Islam

Regarding your question---Nopes. Qur'an , as far as I remember , doesn't even mention any such thing (Again , I might be forgetting but as far as I remember , there is no such thing in Qur'an) ... However , there is a hadith of Prophet Muhammad which says something like Islam will go East and West...Islam will enter in every house.. Something of that sort..

Scholars say that here , Prophet is saying that Islam will be embraced by the whole world one day....

It doesn't say anything regarding "Shari'a Law" ... It doesn't say that 'Shari'a Law' will be established over the whole world.

Peace!

Ishna · #5 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2012, 06:44 AM

Auzer ji, is Shari'a Law a system based on information in the Koran and other sources, but not actually explicitly written in the Koran?
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Thanks

Auzer · #6 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2012, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishna

Auzer ji, is Shari'a Law a system based on information in the Koran and other sources, but not actually explicitly written in the Koran?

Thanks

Yes , majority of 'Shari'a Law' , specially the 'state-level Shari'a laws' , are suppose to be based upon Qur'an and Hadiths etc --They are not all written in Qur'an explicitly.

Personal Shari'a Laws like no drinking , no pork , no pre-marial sex etc etc are relatively explicit and can be found in Qur'an/Hadiths directly.

Shari'a Law is not a straight forward issue. It is a very complex issue..just like all other legal codes of humans.... You need almost 5 to 6 years of study in classical Islamic legal code in order to be an 'expert' on Shari'a matters...

But here in America , people who haven't even read Qur'an are invited to news channels as 'Experts in Shari'a Law"

... Basically , yes , you are right! Shari'a is not explicitly stated in Qur'an or Hadith..some is ..but not all..

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Rory · #7 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2012, 08:50 AM

Thanks for the replies, Auzerji

This might be going off topic but out of interest, what brought you to SPN to begin with?

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #8 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2012, 10:14 AM

Auzer Ji actively dispels dis-information, mis-information, slanted UN-information !! on SPN thats been posted by "muslims"/or muslims pretending to be sikhs, etc etc... He always manages to give the correct facts.... I like THAT.
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SIKHS Need NOT worry about Islam/shariah law etc taking over the world..we will cross that bridge when its "built" ha ha..after all Sikhism was BORN in MUGHAL INDIA...when the Mughal Muslims were the most powerful empire !!! and what happened is history...

Auzer · #9 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2012, 13:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rory

Thanks for the replies, Auzerji

This might be going off topic but out of interest, what brought you to SPN to begin with?

Well I have read much about religions... I even had a pocket size bible ... but mainly , my study was 'confined' to Islam and Christianity , since I used to refer them as "major religions" ...

But then , I came in contact with Sikhs here in U.S! I have many good Sikh friends...This made me interested in Sikhism and I learned about Sikhism from them...and they learned about Islam from me...

Hence my interest developed in Sikhism and I searched for Sikh forums on the internet...I joined one Sikh forum (not this one)...there , I saw some members posting the same old anti-Islamic rhetoric and when I tried to clear their mis-conceptions...I was labelled as "Muslim propagating his religion" and hence I was restricted on that forum... So I searched again and landed in this forum..and I'm still here

One little story though... One time , my Sikh friend asked me (in a serious tone) :

" Hey Auzer , so you will also do 4 marriages? " I was like "Uhhh why do you think that?" ...he was like "Don't you Muslims have to marry four women atleast" .. I was like "ahhhh I wish!"

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