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02-Jul-2012, 02:18 AM
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Yes it is my first question . As in japuji saheb first two words are "ek onkar satnam" and correct me if i am wrong it means "ek onkar satnam is his only true name" . So i want to ask who used the word "waheguru" first among our gurus. And what is the meaning of it. Is waheguru the name of god or some reference word towards god.
Any link to the source would be appericiated as only a good reference is most of the time satisfactory. I am looking at origin and use of the aforementioned.
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02-Jul-2012, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sajsikh  Yes it is my first question . As in japuji saheb first two words are "ek onkar satnam" and correct me if i am wrong it means "ek onkar satnam is his only true name" . So i want to ask who used the word "waheguru" first among our gurus. And what is the meaning of it. Is waheguru the name of god or some reference word towards god.
Any link to the source would be appericiated as only a good reference is most of the time satisfactory. I am looking at origin and use of the aforementioned. | Both means "God"
Waheguru = ultimate teacher
Ek Onkaar Satnaam= One Constant or One God and truth is its name.
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02-Jul-2012, 02:34 AM
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Thank You Ranjit Singh ji for your quick response . I know the meaning , but going through some "STEAKS -japuji saheb with meanings " has written the meaning "ek onkar hi osda sacha naam hai". Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/38732-what-name-god-per-sikhism-ek.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38732
So i do understand the meaning but what i am trying to say is there is no reference to word Waheguru in Japuji. The only words that i am aware of surely uttered by Guru Nanak ji are Sat Kartar and ek onkar satnam.
So i am seeking etymology , you can say of word waheguru , which guru has used this word in reference to God in which Baani or at which page of Shri Guru Granth Saheb |
02-Jul-2012, 06:29 AM
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Waheguru starts with 'wah' as in wah wah as used in praise to something wonderful and appealing.
So, waheguru literally means wonderful guru or the magnificent lord, wonderful lord almighty....etc..
We have heard the phrases 'ik onkaar sri waheguru ji ki fateh' and 'waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh' many times. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38732
I think what you are asking is that Guru Nanak ji never mentioned it in japji.
Yes, but I'm sure that Gurudid actually use the word along with many other words to describe the almighty.
It is used as a given gurmantar because it is actually 4 syllaballe word shortened from wa- from vasudevh
he- from haha-as in hari
gu- from gobind
ru- from ra ra as in ram
all the 4 words are used to refer to the almighty as well.
Ik onkar satnaam is used to describe him as there is only one truth, that is before all truths, therfore referred as the one and true name. |
02-Jul-2012, 20:39 PM
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A ROSE by any name smells just as SWEET..The SIKH GURUS were no sticklers on particular "names"...thats why you will FIND practically ALL the Names for God ever used..incluidng all the common ones form Hidnuism and ALLAH Rahim etc form islamic world...Its NOT the Name per se that counts..its the PRACTISE of GURBANI...churning WATER produces no BUTTER my friend...churn the MILK... | | The following member appreciates Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
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God has many names in this religion, like Hari/ Narayan/ Ram/ Govind/ Waheguru etc. | | The following members appreciate Kamala Ji for the above message. | |
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Names of God in Sikhism
In Sikhism God is One Universal Entity, the creator, self-illuminated, perpetual and gender-less. He is referred to in the Sikh Scriptures by many hundreds of names. The holy scripture of the Sikhs called the Sri Guru Granth Sahib or Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji begins with the following passage called the Mool Mantar or the "Main Mantra":
Original Text -Punjabi: ੴ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਕਰਤਾ ਪਰਖ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰ ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਜੂਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗਰ ਪਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ISO 15919 transliteration: Ika ŝaṅkĝra sati nĝmu karatĝ purakhu nirabha'u niravairu akĝla mūrati ajūnī saibhaṃ gura prasĝdi
Simplified transliteration: Ik ŝaṅkĝr sat nĝm kartĝ purkh nirbha'u nirvair akĝl mūrat ajūnī saibhaṃ gur prasĝd ||
English: One God. Truth is His name. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Malice. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace ~
The English translation uses 'His' or 'He' when referring to God. Sikhism does not recognise God as being of either sex and the original Punjabi version reflects this by being gender neutral.
The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says the following about God: "You have so many Names, Lord, I do not know their limit. There is no other equal to You." (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji page 877).
A testament to the above, is the the 10th Guru, Guru Gobind Singh Ji's hymn, the Jaap Sahib, which is a list of many names of God, comprised 199 verses.
Waheguru is the main and true name used for God in Sikhism
The Sikhs believe that Allah - The name of God used by Muslim is a valid name to use. Similarly, the name Raam, Paarbrahm, Krishan which are names of God used by Hindus are frequently mentioned in the Sikh holy scriptures. The same God of the Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc is the Akal Purakh, the primal being of the Sikhs.
You fashioned all these men and women, Lord. All these are Your Forms. Kabeer is the child of God, Allah, Raam. All the Gurus and prophets are mine. (5) Says Kabeer, listen, O men and women: seek the Sanctuary of the One. Chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord, O mortals, and you shall surely be carried across. ((6)(2))
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38732
- Sri Guru Granth Sahib page 1349
Sikh names for God
However, some of the popular names for God are:
- Akal Purakh meaning Timeless Primal Being. "Akal" stands for 'Primal, timeless' and "Purakh" stands for 'Being'
- Ek Onkar meaning One Creator. "Ek" means "One"; "Onkar" means "Creator".
- Satnam meaning True Name, some are of the opinion that this is a name for God in itself, others believe that this is an adjective used to describe the 'Gurmantar', Waheguru (See below)
- Waheguru, meaning Wonderful Teacher, this name is considered the greatest among Sikhs, and it is known as 'Gurmantar', the Guru's Word.
- Bhao Khandan meaning Destroyer of Fear
- Dukh Bhanjno meaning Dispeller of Pain
- Bhagat Vachhal meaning Lover of His Saints
- Hari meaning Glowing, Shining, Vitalising - Absolute Name of God
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38732
- Govinda meaning Preserver of the World
- Bhagavan meaning Lord or Supreme being
- Rabh
- Allah word commonly used by Muslims to refer to God.
- Uppar Valah
- Malik
God according to Guru Nanak is beyond full comprehension by humans; has endless number of virtues; takes on innumerable forms; and can be called by an infinite number of names thus "Your Names are so many, and Your Forms are endless. No one can tell how many Glorious Virtues You have." (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji page 358)
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04-Jul-2012, 00:02 AM
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Waheguru, meaning Wonderful Teacher, this name is considered the greatest among Sikhs, and it is known as 'Gurmantar', the Guru's Word.
| I am thankful for your response. I am intrigued that sikhiwiki also dosent have correct meanings. Because if waheguru is one and only true name of the lord , then ek onkar satnam becomes invalid. Intriguingly waheguru was not a word used by guru nanak ji rectify me with an example.
Second point is rather controversial and i didnt want to start some controversy but what does this line means Quote: |
You fashioned all these men and women, Lord. All these are Your Forms. Kabeer is the child of God, Allah, Raam. All the Gurus and prophets are mine. (5) Says Kabeer, listen, O men and women: seek the Sanctuary of the One. Chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord, O mortals, and you shall surely be carried across. ((6)(2))
| Does it mean kabir is above all. And its interpretations like these are used by one rampal ji maharaj in harayana and it makes him claim kabir was guru of guru nanak. As an evidence he has lot cut outs and prints available you can see. ill post it in controversy section now. So my question is still that has guru nanak used word "waheguru" and if not than dosent it mean ek onkar satnam is the one real name of god. |
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Veerji
These are pointless arguments, Creator is Creator, regardless of what you, or anyone else calls it.
This is a similar situation to front line soldiers debating the middle name of the King. It is irrelevant, we are here to do a job, live a life as per Hukam, names mean nothing. Names are for tombstones baby! (quoted from live and let die  ) | | The following members appreciate harry haller Ji for the above message. | | 
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