What does Salvation/Mukti (ਮੁਕਤੀ) mean to You as a Sikh?

Ambarsaria · #1 (**permalink**) 22-Jan-2012, 02:29 AM

Salvation is much cherished goal sought by many in various religions. Throughout many threads people have expressed great desire to reach a state of salvation. This is based on the assumption or belief that we are higher life form born as humans and it is our duty and goall as well as only chance to do so.
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There are many words and phrases that are used to describe the aspects of ਮੁਕਤੀ/salvation. Following are some examples,

Freedom from cycle of birth and death
- Escape from the 8,400,000 varieties of life forms and being born again into one
Killing of five thieves
- ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧ ਲੋਭ ਮੋਹ ਹੰਕਾਰ । / Lust, Anger, Greed, Attachment, Ego
- Control of Five thieves
Merging with Akal Purakh/ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ/ Timeless Creator
- Our ਜੋਤ/Light with the creator’s ਜੋਤ/Light (sometimes referred to as ਪ੍ਰਭ ਜੋਤ/ Creator’s light)
Other

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What you think and what is the one that you believe in? Participate in the poll and if you believe in more than one choice do multiple choices as it is allowed in the poll.

Sat Sri Akal.

Ambarsaria · #2 (**permalink**) 22-Jan-2012, 03:04 AM

Just to indicate my understanding. I believe that once one lives in unison with the inner self and outer self, lives in consonance with creation all around and achieves the best one can with the capabilities so blessed with, one has gotten salvation.
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Sat Sri Akal.

Sian Haller · #3 (**permalink**) 22-Jan-2012, 03:18 AM

Ambarsaria Veerji

I am not yet a Sikh, but this is my thought on the matter.
These definitions of salvation imply that they are a one off achievement, and once attained are permanent states regardless of future behaviour.I feel salvation is something you achieve on a daily basis through your actions and behaviour and state of mind.Each day your actions affect whether you achieve salvation, to achieve a permanent state of salvation, this behaviour would have to be second nature and carried out without even thought.I believe this would remain an ongoing process and it must be carried out without any question of reward. I would go as far as to say, that true salvation is achieved by not thinking about it, and concentrating on such action becoming second nature.
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I am not enlightened enough to contemplate salvation through freedom of life and death, as I feel this is the only life I will get.

I feel that in living truly and treating people with respect and consideration is an automatic barrier to the five thieves, to kill them is not enough, they will die through your actions, but to concentrate on decimation is treating the symptom, not the illness

I feel that you only become light on death, and that light burns brighter depending on your daily level of salvation, I think that meditation can certainly bring this merging, but it would take a lot of energy and removal from life, and would only seem to benefit the meditator.However I feel meditation has much use if it is directed at life, rather than escaping life.
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These are my own thoughts as a non Sikh, I hope they help.

Sian Haller · #4 (**permalink**) 22-Jan-2012, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

Just to indicate my understanding. I believe that once one lives in unison with the inner self and outer self, lives in consonance with creation all around and achieves the best one can with the capabilities so blessed with, one has gotten salvation.

Sat Sri Akal.

Veerji,

You have eloquently managed to put across what I was attempting to say in my clumsy manner

Ambarsaria · #5 (**permalink**) 22-Jan-2012, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sian Haller

Ambarsaria Veerji

I am not yet a Sikh, but this is my thought on the matter.
These definitions of salvation imply that they are a one off achievement, and once attained are permanent states regardless of future behaviour.I feel salvation is something you achieve on a daily basis through your actions and behaviour and state of mind.....

Sian Haller ji I agree 110% with you. I did not want to create much bias but let people think and contribute. I will be ecstatic if we end up to the point described in your post by helping even one person positively, specially the younger ones.

Sat Sri Akal.

PS: I spot nothing clumsy about your post. Mine is too dry as a matter of fact.

Seeker9 · #6 (**permalink**) 22-Jan-2012, 03:41 AM

Dear Ambarsaria Ji, Sian Ji

Fine posts

I would summarise it one word - contentment

I think both of you cited examples that align with this

Basically, there are so many things going on all the time, in your life, in the lives of people close to you, in the lives of people further away from you. And as Sian Ji noted these are daily occurrences

If you can live with all this turbulence around you, acknowledge it, accept it, accept what you are, what you have etc and remain truly contented, then that is a remarkable achievement indeed

Perhaps I should look more into Buddhism....

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 22-Jan-2012, 06:27 AM

To me MUKTEE is Merging with the Akal Purakh WHILE ALIVE,,so His Gunns..His Attributes Shine through ME..MY Body. Just like when we visit a house ..we cna literally judge form the condition of the house the personality of the house owner..etc..subtle or not so subtle ways...my body is His Harmandar..and my Body should reflect the OWNER/RESIDENT...my ACTIONS..should reflect the Owner resident...the more i reflect HIM..the more "mukt" I am..
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The Mother feels so happy and FULL upon seeing her child be happy and eat food...I feel happy and full seeing my dogs eat the BEST foods.......I am sure HE feels happy to see ME eating the Best foods that this earth can provide !...I am just a visible physical "extension" of HIM...and I get more and more MUKT by the passing hour...

Navdeep88 · #8 (**permalink**) 22-Jan-2012, 15:41 PM

Ambarsaria Ji,

I dont know about how many lifetimes, or about my five thieves... nor have I really... all I know is that I was taught to serve, that is someone really needs help, you must help them. You must be of service to others, you must help others. That's it.
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I don't know what will come to be, but at the moment, I hope it is somewhat sufficient for Him, as He watches over me... I hope He is somewhat proud of what I've done with this life so far, I know my shortcomings are immense... I'm stubborn, sometimes stupid... but I hope He will redeem me, guide me with love to become a more understanding being... to live the life He's planned for me in the best way.
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("He" refers to Guru Ji.)

yes yes I cut my hair, I'm a horrible person, but I still believe I have a relationship with my Guru... and plan to always. The course of my "Sikhi" is in Waheguru's hands.

harry haller · #9 (**permalink**) 22-Jan-2012, 19:38 PM

Ambarsariaji,

I am more with Gyaniji, tuning into essence of Creator, Creator being the only voice in your head, I would call it Sachkhand, where the thieves fade away, but to concentrate on eradication of the thieves is pointless, speaking personally, my thieves are extremely strong, they have led me to addiction to almost every pleasure, and now they must pull me to Sachkhand, to me, Sachkhand is a state of mind of contentment that allows one to achieve salvation through pure actions and thoughts, achieved only through finding that frequency from which the voice of Creator booms loud and clear