What is wrong with Halal now?

The history and idea of us rejecting halal was a symbolic gesture against the forced acceptance of Islamlic principles or faith.
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When Punjab is now ruled by a Hindu Government who are we rebelling against when the rulers are vegetarian?

How can it symbolise anything now , no one is being coerced into eating it and we are not ruled by the Mughals.

It's like we are trying to say "We the Sikhs don't accept this" when no one is even saying you must accept this atleast in India?
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The telos or the essential purpose is what is important,when the situation we are in has changed completely, what are we standing up against now?

 
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I don't think those foods I mentioned are offered to a deity. They are blessed often in the name of a god but then the celebrants eat them. I would put deg and langar in the same category, blessed food. Or at least food for purpose, proclaimed as part of a ceremony.

I understand the basis of Sikh practices with food and their relation to Islam and Hinduism specifically, Im just trying to take the ideas which should be universal and apply them to other earthly situations which Sikhi was not influenced by, initially.

Some of Gyani Jarnail Singh ji's posts deal with forced halal in modern times, particularly Malaysia.
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Why partake of another religions customs, anyway?

Dear Sister Ji
Closely held beliefs are not easily released;
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So ritual enthralls generation after generation.
Tao te Ching

We have made our rejection into a ritual,because no one can deny the purpose and context is everything.(By the way ,your shooting Kangaroos thread was my inspiration ),otherwise I never really care what I put in my stomach, as long as I did not steal it ofcourse!
I'm sure religion is not in what you eat if you live near the sea you might eat more fish if you live in a desert you probably don't eat tuna.
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I once knew someone who had been given a bag instead of a stomach ,what would you say is the correct food for him?When did our Guru say don't eat Halal?I thought he said there were no Muslims or Hindu's!
I see only one Religion in the world as I see only one God ,so Religion must be like him, the one truth.
Otherwise what is he going to do with all those 'Muslims' and not to mention those 'Christians'?

The boycott of the Mughals was one reason given.

The actual reason is to do with an abhorrence of ritual sacrifice and an unnecessary purifaction of meat.

Sinner ji, That is not actually correct.

We must give the rationale behind prescribing jhatka meat as the approved food for the Sikhs. According to the ancient Aryan Hindu tradition, only such meat as is obtained from an animal which is killed with one stroke of the weapon causing instantaneous death is fit for human consumption. However, with the coming of Islam into India and the Muslim political hegemony, it became a state policy not to permit slaughter of animals for food, in any other manner, except as laid down in the Quran - the kosher meat prepared by slowly severing the main blood artery of the throat of the animal while reciting verses from the Quran. It is done to make slaughter a sacrifice to God and to expiate the sins of the slaughter. Guru Gobind Singh took a rather serious view of this aspect of the whole matter. He, therefore, while permitting flesh to be taken as food repudiated the whole theory of this expiatory sacrifice and the right of ruling Muslims to impose iton the non-Muslims. Accordingly, he made jhatka meat obligatory for those Sikhs who may be interested in taking meat as a part of their food.
Sikhism, A Complete Introduction, Dr. H.S.Singha & Satwant Kaur, Hemkunt Press



And one semitic practice clearly rejected in the Sikh code of conduct is eating flesh of an animal cooked in ritualistic manner; this would mean kosher and halal meat. The reason again does not lie in religious tenet but in the view that killing an animal with a prayer is not going to enoble the flesh. No ritual, whoever conducts it, is going to do any good either to the animal or to the diner. Let man do what he must to assuage his hunger. If what he gets, he puts to good use and shares with the needy, then it is well used and well spent, otherwise not.
Sikhs and Sikhism, Dr. I.J.Singh, Manohar Publishers.

Dear Randip Ji

I thought ritual sacrifice was killing ,as an offering to the Gods,today Halal is known more as a food slaughter method ,albeit it a less humane one?

No contention meant, I'm hardly an expert ,I just looked at the origin to find the the precept or reasoning for the convention or it's adoption.
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If we reject it today it must be for the right reasons ,if we reject it for the wrong reasons such as showing the muslims that we don't comply when there is no demand on us in the West and India atleast.The rejection itself becomes ritualistic and empty ,although I feel it should be rejected on humane grounds .

Ji, this looks pretty good: http://www.themuslimwoman.com/hertongue/HalalWay.htm

it's not just the method of slaughter but the fact the animal is killed with the bismillah said over it. That is my understanding.

This one has better verses: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah

Isna Ji

Ask the man on the street today what it is and they will say it is a method of slaughter.I doubt anyone will see it as a ritual offering to the Gods. I don't mean to argue with bhena,I just want to get to the truth of the matter.The way to God is not through diet, it is through Truth only, nothing else.When you want to make a car go faster, you strip out all the extra stuff , just want to find the universal truth of the matter and not get distracted or weighed down by diet.In the end it does not even matter?
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