Serving of Meat in Langar by Guru Angad Sahib Ji?

Waheguru Ji/वाहे गुरू जी,

I read at the following link that meat was served in langar during the times of Guru Angad Dev Ji. /मैंने एक जगह पढ़ा कि गुरु अंगद देव जी के लंगर में मांस परोसा जाता था। लिन्क नीचे है।

Link removed. The site referred to is Spiritual World/article is 10 Gurus of Sikhism. spnadmin
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I have just started to learn about Sikh religion... / मैंने अभी अभी सिख धर्म के बारे में जानना शुरू किया है।
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Is the above article right? / क्या यह सही है।

Please help/guide me. / कृपया मेरी मदद करें !

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Atul ji

I am not in a position to judge the web site content. Let me point out one thing. Over to the right of the home page is a section on Yoga Sutras of Pantangali. What is this doing on the home page of a Sikh web site? Usually yoga content would be included in a sub section. But here it looks to be prominent. Also prominent is a link to the BhagataVeda. Another big ALSO, content is written in Devanagri script, the script for the Sanskirt language as well as for Hindi.
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Who knows if the site is designed to create doubt? To me it all seems fishy, and I would take its contents with some skepticism. Better yet Ignore It! That is my advice. Please forgive any errors I may be guilty of.
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Why would Guru Angad contradict decisions of Guru Nanak before him? All were of one jyote.

Atul ji welcome to spn and your first post.

The site you have linked is full of ideas and hindu centric with simplified excerpts without references.

It is uphill battle and not a philosophical point of discovery to have a positive discourse through references to such sites.

This site covers subject in glorification what was shown by Sikh Gurus as a charade like karamats, special powers, human gods, etc. The site also tries to equalize and creates subsets of Sants and Bhagats while mixing up those whose writings are in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and others.
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=36025

Sorry I cannot contribute much to help you.

You may want to address the issue yourself as to what are personal consequences to you if what the article says is true or false. For a Sikh, at least for me, it is irrelevant. It is called sweating the small stuff and at worse a way to minimize the subject of the article. What guides Sikhism is Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and not Sakhis written in a site that you referred to.

Sat Sri Akal.

PS: spnadmin ji perhaps worthwhile per spn TOS to delete the link to the website in Atul ji's post. It borders on spamming/redirection. Atul ji is welcome to share the thoughts in English.

This is what the Google translator translated the article:

Sri Guru Angad Sahib Bibi Amro the daughter was married to the nephew of Mr. Amar Das Ji | You asked Bibi Amro ji's daughter, my father take me to master | I want to see them succeed with your life | like a father aged Listening to Mr. Amar Das Ji wife live with their family members are allowed to sit in the car took Khadur Sahib | Guru Angad Dev Ji, the daughter and the son of the skilled Tue asked! Who have brought with them, 'Why do you come sit | Gurus them to know their relatives have come forward | Amar Das Ji said to have come to learn that you | you made me learn by your teaching |
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!Refuses to keep the meat to food Yhe Vaishnav | not so overjoyed to hear Amar Das Ji and Guru Ji said, divine mind, they are falling out of place must hold a master |

Jarnail Singh: Besides the horrible English ( no idea if its due to limitations of GT word for word translating or other reasons).....

The Sakhi does appear in Guru Kiaan Sakhian a sort of source along the lines of the Janamsakhis.

2. Guru Angad Ji is NOT necessarily "going against" the earlier Guru ( only Guru Nanak ji came earlier than this period )..because Guru nanak Ji Himslef has Sakhi proof in janamsakhi that He cooked Deer meat at Hardwaar Kumbh Mela as well as threw water to his "fields in Punjab" while the otehr million were throwing water to their ancestors in the Sun. Both actions were a LESSON from Gurmatt that Guru nanak ji came to preach.

3. In Asa dee Vaar Guru nanak ji writes that a Goat was slaughtered for the ceremony of his Janeau wearing. Thats a period piece about prevailing dietary habits of the population.

4. Circumstantial proof: Why would Bhai Amardass Ji feel the need to stress his VAISHNAVITE DIET to his relative Guru Angad Ji ? According to the sakhi Bhai Amardass Ji was invited to sit alongside Guru Angad Ji to have langgar. Bhai Amardass Ji saw what was being served...and he was apprehensive that his dietary observances of a lifetime may be shattered..and IF Guru Angad Ji was truly the GURU he thought he was..then He would surely take care of his food...and true enough when the food came Guru Anagd Ji gave instructions thta no meat be served to his relative Bhai Amardass Ji. Bhai Amardass Ji then relasied the Guru was true guru becasue he guessed what was in his heart.

All this is now practically just an academic discussion..Guru ka Langgar has been VAISHVANITE for centuries..and the situation is a Fait Accompli.

Go to the Sikh Heritage Website and you will see that the Sikh KHANDA has been "copied" from HINDU IDOLS...of the CHOLA DYNASTY circa 1050 AD..roughly 500 years BEFORE the Birth of Nanak Ji..the KHANDA in Basic Form existed as SHIVA's TRIDENT. How this came to be prominent as Sikhism's KHANDA (slightly modified)..?? no one knows..but it did..and its SHIVA's trident......with a half naked woman DEVI on the base of the Double edged Khanda pointed skywards....Mistaken Identity ?? Our History has a lot to be researched ON...to arrive at the Facts of what was infiltrated when and by whom..and all that...the ONE and ONLY infiltration proof subject we have today is the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji !! This has been sent down to us IRONCLAD by Guru Arjun ji. Rest of it..everything needs study....its common knowledge that sometimes the TENANT has been in occupation of the house/land for so long..that he can turn around and say..I am the OWNER...this has happened to sikh history/diet/books/literature etc etc becasue the Tenants who took care of our "house" stayed in so long unsupervised that they CHANGED the very shape of the house( * RENOVATED* to suit their tastes..Guru nanak's Dharamsals became Gurdwaras which in turn have become Sikh-Mandirs with just one small difference...Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji parkash !! which by the way some genuine Mandirs also have !!

Gyani Jarnail Singh ji thank you.

Just another thought in terms of relative value of Sakhis versus Shabads and tuks in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. I observe that almost every tuk can be turned into a teachable story (actual encounter (Sakhi) or a means to teach, a discourse of the Shabad while describing the essence through examples). So, for me the overall substance or nourishment that one can enjoy from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is enoromously more than totality of all Sakhis at an analytical level. One needs to recognize that sometimes a word can provide the key to learning so Sakhis are still very powerful if held to truth.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=36025
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Any comments.

Sat Sri Akal.

PS: How hot is it these days (weather) your way in Malaysia?

Gyani ji

The ideas you have provided via Google translation are sounding close to those promoted in a movement called "Hindu Sikh." We at SPN have been down this path many times and it adds nothing to our understanding of either Sikhism or Hinduism. So I thank you for taking time and making the effort.

Gyanni jee,
Ouir Khanda has more similarties with the National emblem of Iran shown and downloaded as below:

Hardip Singh Ji..
This is also discussed on the sikh heritage site. Punjab was a Province of IRAN..and we share so much...much more than what Punjab shares with say..UP/Bihar..or Tamil nadu South India !! The three most important words we use..Sardar, Dastaar and Fateh all originate in Persian Farsee...

The Shivji trident from the Chola Dynasty of tamil nadu circa 1050 AD... is 99% our Modern Khanda...only addition we have is the CHAKRA in the Centre..and REMOVAL of the semi naked DEVI image from its centre.
Perhaps this is why the DSM has banis that say this..Pritham KHANDA Sajekeh..that Akal Purakh first made the KHANDA..and then everything else...this is from this connection..BECAUSE the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji gives a very DIFFERENT description of the Formation of the World..and makes no mention of any khandas...Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji declares..Keeta pasao eko kavaao...nothing is "prithameh" or secondme..or thirdmeh...etc...ALL and EVERYTHING at ONCE..in one Kavao !!
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In the Iran flag..the image is more different from our Khanda...looks simialr but not the same...swords have no handles, khanda shape is without Base...and shaped differently from ours..and no chakra..all 4 side arms look like stylised swords sans handles.

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