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Old 06-May-2011, 01:37 AM
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I cant find chaupai sahib in sri guru granth shahib ji.

iam confused do have to read chaupai sahib in rehras sahib?
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re: Chaupai Sahib in Rehras Sahib

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Chaupai Sahib is not part of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. It consists of 29 verses taken from the so-called "Dasam Granth." It is part of Nit Nem, and therefore part of the Rehras of Nit Nem, as per the Sikh Rehat Maryada. Hope that answers your question. Daily Rehras is made up of prayers from different sources.
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Re: Chaupai Sahib in Rehras Sahib

Do i have to read rehras sahib with chaupai sahib
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or without chaupai sahib?
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Re: Chaupai Sahib in Rehras Sahib

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Do i have to read rehras sahib with chaupai sahib
or without chaupai sahib?
That is a controversial question right now. Rather than go into the details of the controversy, suffice it to say that amritdhari are required to recite all of the Nit Nem according to the Sikh Rehat Maryada.

Section 6, Chapter 13, part (p)

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...And recite, or listen in to the recitation of, the under mentioned scriptural compositions, the daily repetition of which is ordained, every day: (1) The JapJi Sahib, (2) The Jaap Sahib, (3) The Ten Sawaiyas (Quatrains), beginning “sarawag sudh”, (4) The Sodar Rehras and the Sohila...

Chaupai Sahib is also known as Benti Chaupai, and is part of the Sodar Rehras.
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Re: Chaupai Sahib in Rehras Sahib

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This confuse me YouTube - Dasam Granth Exposed Part 1 of 6
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Re: Chaupai Sahib in Rehras Sahib

We are Individuals as well as Members of the Khalsa Brotherhood.
As Individuals we can read the ORIGINAL NITNEM as given in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji - first 13 Pannas. The Shabads are TITLED - Jap, Sodar Rehrass and Sohila.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=35309
AS Members fo the Khalsa Brotherhood we are under the Panth Parvanit Sikh rehat Maryada 1945 passed by SGPC/Akal Takhat and under that the Rehrass contains Benti Chaupaii, swaiyas and jaap shaib as additions to the Original nitnem in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=35309
The SRM is man made and can be changed...BUT the importnat thing is its IN FORCE NOW as is so..please follow as is...
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Re: Chaupai Sahib in Rehras Sahib

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as you say,

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This confuse me
You are going to hear more than once, read more than once, see a video more than once, regarding that Nit Nem controversy I referred to. But the matter only has to be confusing if we let it be confusing. Gyani has given the exact answer. If you are not amritdhari the complete Nit Nem is not required. If you are amritdhari it is required in the SRM. If you know, as I know, amritdhari who question the SRM mandate, we need to keep in mind that is their right to do so. Again, as Gyani ji has stated, the maryada is man made; therefore we are free to ask questions and point out contradictions. The decisions each one makes will be personal. Some will question the existing Nit Nem but still complete their Nit Nem according to SRM every day. Therefore, it is so important that no one jump to conclusions or criticize. I appreciate your uncomplicated manner of discussion.

To get the big picture on the controversy, you may want to use a search engine to find out about all the sides of the Nit Nem controversy.
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Re: Chaupai Sahib in Rehras Sahib

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I have wrestled with this controversy myself for some time and have only recently come to my conclusion (that is, my conclusion for the moment!). Maybe hearing some personal account will assist you personally, too.

No matter the authenticity of the entire Dasam Granth, the general consensus is that it is highly probably that some of the texts were written by Guru Gobind Singh ji. That includes Jaap, Chaupai and ten sawaiyas.

Furthermore, they do not appear (to my understanding) to conflict with teachings from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=35309

For a long time I omitted Jaap, Chaupai and Ten Sawaiyas. Partly because when you're learning it's a LOT to take in, especially if you want to read your nitnem every day, and they make the process long in the beginning. And partly because I'm not sure about Dasam Granth. And partly because it made more sense to me to read nitnem as presented at the start of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=35309

But I have recently started including them, and they are very lovely and powerful.

So I would say, if you're unsure, focus on the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji bania, don't worry about the others from Dasam Granth -- they'll fall into place if and when the time is right, like they did for me. Read about them, read them, come to your own conclusion.
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If Japji Sahib doesn't change between Amritdhari and non Amritdhari, then why should Rehras Sahib change. My folks suggested me to keep it short but when it comes to Gurbani, more is beautiful. Sampooran Rehras sahib has dohras which demystify many things.
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