Sign Up |  Live StatsLive Stats    Articles 35,345| Comments 159,809| Members 17,821, Newest cdotkhn| Online 300
Home Contact
 (Forgotten?): 
    Sikhism

   
                                                                     Your Banner Here!    

The Name Game

Our Donation Goal : Why Donate? : Donate Today! : Donate Anonymously (ਗੁਪਤ) : Our Family of Supporters
Goal this month: 400 USD, Received: 35 USD (9%)
Please Donate...
Related Topics...
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Losing Faith ... And Getting Back In The Game Aman Singh Sikh Sikhi Sikhism 0 14-Jan-2011 06:25 AM
Life as a game ! Soul_jyot Inspirational Stories 1 16-May-2008 23:09 PM
Win the game of life: surrender the mind ! Soul_jyot Gurmat Vichaar 1 29-Dec-2006 13:39 PM
The Game of Life sikhlionz Spiritual Articles 0 30-Nov-2005 07:06 AM
Unscramble - A Game Developed by Navneet Singh Ji & Co. Aman Singh Leisure 0 24-Jul-2005 11:57 AM


Tags
game
Reply Post New Topic In This Forum Stay Connected to Sikhism, Click Here to Register Now!
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 12-Sep-2011, 05:31 AM
spnadmin's Avatar spnadmin spnadmin is offline
 
Enrolled: Jun 17th, 2004
Posts: 5,027
spnadmin is a glorious beacon of light
spnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of light
   
Adherent: Sikhism
Liked 4,738 Times in 2,498 Posts
   
The Name Game

  Donate Today!   Email to Friend  Tell a Friend   Show Printable Version  Print   Contact sikhphilosophy.net Administraion for any Suggestions, Ideas, Feedback.  Feedback  

Register to Remove Advertisements
In Punjab, it’s an old practice, particularly among Jat Sikhs, to add the names of their villages to their own. Now many Sikhs in Delhi are doing the same with their present residential colonies. Vivek Shukla tells us more about this new fascination

How are you, Vivek Viharji? “Well, I am fine and doing well,” replies Bhogal. Then the two discuss issues ranging from local to international. But hold on, it is not two key areas talking to each other. Understandably, it is not possible either. Actually, when two known Sikh leaders of the Capital meet each other, they do not address themselves by their names. Rather, they use their appended names. It can be from Rohini to Pahar Ganj and from Vivek Vihar to Greater Kailash. Welcome to a brand new world of Sikh leaders who don’t mind adding the names of their colonies to their own.

Balbir Singh Vivek Vihar, who is on the board of several governing bodies of Delhi’s Sikh colleges and schools, says that he added Vivek Vihar to his name a couple of years. “There were about 10 Balbir Singhs in my area, including some of them in my own circle of friends. It was really tough to differentiate. After discussing the issue with my family and friends, I decided to add ‘Vivek Vihar’ to my name,” he says, adding: “Today, my identity is incomplete without Vivek Vihar.”

Kuldeep Singh Bhogal, a social worker and a confidant of Punjab Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal, has one claim to fame: That he was perhaps the first Sikh leader in the Capital to add the name of his area to his own. Recalling the story behind his new name, he says it was at the behest of Sant Harcharan Singh Longowal that he added Bhogal to his name. “We gave him a rousing welcome at Bhogal in 1985 when he came to meet the victims of the 1984 anti-Sikh riots in Delhi. Santji had never imagined that he would get such great reception. Before leaving Delhi, he asked me to add Bhogal to my name. I followed his instructions. And since then I became Kuldeep Singh Bhogal. Now, in the political circles of the Capital, I am more popular as Bhogal than my original name.” Bhogal is now a senior leader of the Akali Dal (Badal) in Delhi.

Avtar Singh, a Sikh businessman, is now known as Avtar Singh Jhilmil Colony. “My life has changed for good since I added Jhilmil Colony to my name. There were so many Avtar Singhs in and around my area that it was tough to be recognised here. Once I was suggested by a close friend that I could be different by adding Jhilmil Colony to my name. Now, I am generally called call me Jhilmil veerji rather than Avtarji or Avtar paaji,” he says.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/punjab-punjabi-punjabiyat/36910-the-name-game.html

Well, in Punjab, it is an old practice, particularly among Jat Sikhs, to add the names of their villages to their own. Who has not heard the names of Sikh leaders like Kairon, Barnala, Badal and Ajnala? But what about leaders like Vivek Vihar paaji, Rohini veerji, Govindpuri sahib, among others? Many well-known Sikhs in Delhi have resolved their identity crisis by substituting their old village surnames with that of their present residential colonies.

Hindi scholar Maheep Singh explains this phenomenon. “Sikhism and the followers of Guru Gobind Singh do not believe in the caste system. By discarding their traditional surnames and adding their locality names, the Sikh leaders are doing a kind of service to make our society free from the scourge of caste,” he says.

Manjit Singh Calcutta, a former member of the Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee (DSGPC), has been living in the Capital since 1976. He is probably the only Sikh in the country to be called ‘Calcutta’. Then, there is another Manjit Singh — Manjit Singh Govindpuri. Govindpuri, who runs an air-conditioning business and is also active in Sikh politics of Delhi, says that the people of his area now know him by his adopted surname.

Rajinder Singh Techno TV is another gentleman with an innovative mind. Unlike a Bhogal, a Tagore Garden or a Rohini, this member of the DSGPC has been using the name of his manufacturing company. “As I am well-known in West Delhi as the owner of Techno TV, I thought I should add this to my real name,” he says.

So, what’s behind the name game? Sikh scholar and MCD councillor Jitender Singh Shunty says, “These people are just following the footsteps of other prominent Sikh leaders from Punjab to create their own identity. As there is a paucity of good Sikh names — there is no dearth of Balbirs, Manjeets, Hardeeps, Gurpreets and they all end with Singh and Kaur — it is really hard to distinguish one from the other. Adding the name of one’s locality really helps. This trend in the Capital is different from Punjab in the sense that here even non-Jat Sikhs add name of their areas,” Shunty says.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=36910

http://www.dailypioneer.com/sunday-e...name-game.html




 
Do share your immediate thoughts or reactions on this issue? We value your views! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views with us.. Gurfateh!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 12-Sep-2011, 09:50 AM
Gyani Jarnail Singh's Avatar Gyani Jarnail Singh Gyani Jarnail Singh is online now
Sawa lakh se EK larraoan
 
Enrolled: Jul 4th, 2004
Location: KUALA LUMPUR MALAYSIA
Age: 63
Posts: 5,592
Gyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud of
Gyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud ofGyani Jarnail Singh has much to be proud of
   
Adherent: Sikhism
Blog Entries: 5
Liked 8,741 Times in 3,526 Posts
    Nationality: Malaysia
Re: The Name Game

Would THAT be considered any more "Jaat-Paat" than say Dhillon/Gill/Ravidassisah ??
ANY one can add" Calcutta"..New York...Badal after his name...Lots of chamaars form malaysia who migrated to Canada asked to be addressed by their new names..GILL !!
For some it s a standard..for others just an ID..and for some its "jaat-paat"...
Reply With Quote
The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message.
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 12-Sep-2011, 10:15 AM
spnadmin's Avatar spnadmin spnadmin is offline
 
Enrolled: Jun 17th, 2004
Posts: 5,027
spnadmin is a glorious beacon of light
spnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of light
   
Adherent: Sikhism
Liked 4,738 Times in 2,498 Posts
   
Re: The Name Game

That is what I was wondering "Jaat Paat."
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 12-Sep-2011, 17:23 PM
Ishna's Avatar Ishna Ishna is offline
 
Enrolled: May 9th, 2006
Posts: 855
Ishna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enough
   
Liked 1,225 Times in 551 Posts
   
Re: The Name Game

Doesn't SRM clearly say Sikh men must have the last name Singh and Sikh women the last name Kaur? I don't understand where all these other names come from. Or is it only for Amritdharis?

Also, is the location with the 'wale' word after it considered part of the name, or is it a title? An example that comes to mind is Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 12-Sep-2011, 20:37 PM
spnadmin's Avatar spnadmin spnadmin is offline
 
Enrolled: Jun 17th, 2004
Posts: 5,027
spnadmin is a glorious beacon of light
spnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of light
   
Adherent: Sikhism
Liked 4,738 Times in 2,498 Posts
   
Re: The Name Game

Wale refers to the place you come from.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 13-Sep-2011, 04:56 AM
Ishna's Avatar Ishna Ishna is offline
 
Enrolled: May 9th, 2006
Posts: 855
Ishna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enoughIshna will become famous soon enough
   
Liked 1,225 Times in 551 Posts
   
Re: The Name Game

So the Bhindranwale part is not part of the name as such, but an indication of where that person is from?

How is that different from what they're doing in the lead article, minus the 'wale'?
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 13-Sep-2011, 10:03 AM
spnadmin's Avatar spnadmin spnadmin is offline
 
Enrolled: Jun 17th, 2004
Posts: 5,027
spnadmin is a glorious beacon of light
spnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of light
   
Adherent: Sikhism
Liked 4,738 Times in 2,498 Posts
   
Re: The Name Game

The name/place appellations described in the original article are not an exact science. Here are some examples.

A well known raagi Bhai Bhopinderpal Singh Kuwait Wale, where his country of origin is part of his name.

Another raagi, Bhai Narinder Singh Banaraswale, here "wale" is appended not separate. So the convention can vary. Bhai ji 's name mentions Banaras,, and is a variation on Varanas or Benares.

Another example where a gotra or unbroken male line is identified. A professor by the name of Narinder Singh Kapoor. Kapoor is the gotra.

Quote:
Kapoor or Kapur and sometimes but rarely Capoor (Punjabi: ਕਪੂਰ*, Hindi: कपूर*) is the name of a gotra of punjabi descent belonging to the Khatri (Kshatriya or warrior) Varna. They are part of the "Dhai Ghar", meaning two and a half houses[citation needed].
On the subject of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, Wikipedia reports
Quote:
his followers formally called him Bhindranwale Mahapurkh, which meant "The Great Spritual Man from Bhindran".
Bhindran is a village in Punjab, at Coordinates: 30°16'9"N 75°53'59"E. Jarnail ji's biography gives his place of birth as the Malwa District of Punjab. I do not know if the village of Bhindran is located there. Or if his followers had something else in mind. Sorry
Reply With Quote
The following member appreciates spnadmin Ji for the above message.
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 13-Sep-2011, 10:04 AM
Tejwant Singh's Avatar Tejwant Singh Tejwant Singh is offline
 
Enrolled: Jun 30th, 2004
Location: Henderson, NV.
Age: 58
Posts: 2,773
Tejwant Singh is just really nice
Tejwant Singh is just really nice
   
Adherent: Sikhi
Liked 3,606 Times in 1,545 Posts
    Nationality: United States
Re: The Name Game

My name is Tejwant Singh Henderson- Las Vegas wale.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=36910

Please do not hesitate to give your imagination the wings it requires.
Reply With Quote
The following member appreciates Tejwant Singh Ji for the above message.
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 13-Sep-2011, 10:20 AM
spnadmin's Avatar spnadmin spnadmin is offline
 
Enrolled: Jun 17th, 2004
Posts: 5,027
spnadmin is a glorious beacon of light
spnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of lightspnadmin is a glorious beacon of light
   
Adherent: Sikhism
Liked 4,738 Times in 2,498 Posts
   
Re: The Name Game

  Donate Today!  
Well I was going to add this.

Guru Gobind Singh made is simple and straightforward, like a hearty cup of dal and a warm roti. But for many that falls by the wayside.

Something that looks whimsical to me, yet in a way makes a lot of sense, is how some western Sikhs (not of 3HO) retain their family name. This is a fictitious example: Roop Ruggerio Kaur. This is becoming more and more frequent. It is very like keeping the "gotra" in one's name, however, the order is reversed.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=36910

Another flight of fancy comes from someone I know who started life with the name Randhawa. He moved back to India for a time, and left off the Randhawa and replaced it with his village name. Then after a few months he decided to go back to using Randhawa.
Reply With Quote
   Click Here to Donate Now!

Support Us!
Become a Promoter!
Gurfateh ji, you can become a SPN Promoter by Donating as little as $10 each month. With limited resources & high operational costs, your donations make it possible for us to deliver a quality website and spread the teachings of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, to serve & uplift humanity. Every contribution counts. Donate Generously. Gurfateh!
ReplyPost New Topic In This Forum Stay Connected to Sikhism, Click Here to Register Now!

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Tools Search
Search:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

» Gurbani Jukebox
Listen to Gurbani while surfing SPN!
» Active Discussions
sikhism need urgent advice.......
Today 15:59 PM
12 Replies, 133 Views
sikhism How important is Matha...
Today 15:22 PM
66 Replies, 1,090 Views
sikhism On a Scale of Most...
Today 13:10 PM
31 Replies, 1,290 Views
sikhism Sikh Diamonds Video...
Today 13:06 PM
7 Replies, 128 Views
sikhism Who is "Mohan"?
Today 13:00 PM
23 Replies, 388 Views
sikhism Herman Hesse,...
Today 12:40 PM
14 Replies, 237 Views
sikhism Considering Cutting My...
Today 11:05 AM
123 Replies, 3,955 Views
sikhism ਨਾਮਾ
Today 06:37 AM
2 Replies, 61 Views
sikhism Are Creator and Creation...
Today 01:30 AM
44 Replies, 2,853 Views
sikhism I became victim by...
Yesterday 19:50 PM
0 Replies, 53 Views
sikhism Sikh Books downloads
Yesterday 15:39 PM
2 Replies, 75 Views
sikhism Salok Sheikh Farid ji...
Yesterday 09:35 AM
0 Replies, 52 Views
sikhism In Punjab, three farmers...
Yesterday 05:36 AM
0 Replies, 52 Views
sikhism Supernatural Sikhs, what...
Yesterday 03:45 AM
19 Replies, 419 Views
sikhism Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi...
26-May-2012 22:57 PM
0 Replies, 56 Views
» Books You Should Read...
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT +6.5. The time now is 16:06 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.5.2 Copyright © 2004-12, All Rights Reserved. Sikh Philosophy Network


Page generated in 0.58914 seconds with 29 queries