New to Sikhism, Looking for Advice

KiranSingh · #1 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2007, 17:46 PM

Hello,
I am very happy to find this community.

Its been quite a journey to this point. I was raised a Catholic (in the US) but found it did not fit my beliefs. I checked out Protestant churches, read the Koran, prayed in Hindu temples, and tried to practice as a Buddhist. The last two faiths seemed closer but doubt remained because I could not agree with some of their core beliefs (many gods, no god, etc). Meanwhile, my family remain devout Catholics and are not exactly supportive of my search.
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I believe in one God, reincarnation to grow closer to him, serving my fellow human beings, that all are created equal, and the importance of community.
I stumbled upon a website called Beliefnet and took their online quiz - it told me my beliefs are 90% close to Sikhism, a religion I knew little about. Since then, I've been exploring it and find myself drawn to it.

I hope (with your help) to learn more about Sikhism and grow closer to it since it seems to be what I've been looking for. I figure I'll start as a sahajdari and learn as I go. I'm starting with Guru Nanak's Japji.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15236

Can anyone offer suggestions for how I should proceed on this path?

Chris (Kiran)

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kaur-1 · #2 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2007, 21:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KiranSingh

Hello,
I am very happy to find this community.

Its been quite a journey to this point. I was raised a Catholic (in the US) but found it did not fit my beliefs. I checked out Protestant churches, read the Koran, prayed in Hindu temples, and tried to practice as a Buddhist. The last two faiths seemed closer but doubt remained because I could not agree with some of their core beliefs (many gods, no god, etc). Meanwhile, my family remain devout Catholics and are not exactly supportive of my search.

I believe in one God, reincarnation to grow closer to him, serving my fellow human beings, that all are created equal, and the importance of community.
I stumbled upon a website called Beliefnet and took their online quiz - it told me my beliefs are 90% close to Sikhism, a religion I knew little about. Since then, I've been exploring it and find myself drawn to it.

I hope (with your help) to learn more about Sikhism and grow closer to it since it seems to be what I've been looking for. I figure I'll start as a sahajdari and learn as I go. I'm starting with Guru Nanak's Japji.

Can anyone offer suggestions for how I should proceed on this path?

Chris (Kiran)

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Welcome to SPN KiranSingh ji,

A few links for you:

A good start for learning Gurbani is reading Jap ji Sahib. See the link below for more:
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Japji_Sahib

There is also a section in SPN under "Guru Granth Darpan" on Japji sahib.

Look up the "Sikh terms" section in sikhiwiki.org too
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Category:Glossary_of_Sikh_Terms

Sikh Youth link - as a question.
Sikhism101.com

A few online Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji:
http://sikhitothemax.com/
Pathway to God @ SearchGurbani.Com
Sri Granth

Srigranth.org will display meanings of gurmukhi words at the mouse pointer. It is important to learn gurmukhi as there is usually no "direct or exact" words in english.

I will get more information for you on Sikhi history later. Meanwhile hope this helps.

Enjoy your stay here.

kanwal295 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2007, 09:56 AM

Dear Kiran
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It is heartening to note that Waheguru has led you to the Only path, The Guru's Path. It is a rewarding pathway, but requires discipline, dedication, desire, thirst and hunger which will definitely attract Guru's Grace in abundance.
Since you have already started with Japji Sahib, I will humbly advise you to do "NAAM SIMRAN" too, which is akin to worshipful meditation, using the most powerful mantra in the world, the Mool Mantra from Ik Oangkaar .....to .....Gurparsaad, Naam mantra ... Satnaam Sri Waheguru and Gur Mantar.... Waheguru. Use these mantras as a vehicle to transcend into the deeper realms of spirituality. I will also advise you to study the Sukhmani sahib ji ... this is a very easily understood Bani and expounds on the Naam Simran and its benefit.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15236
You take one step towards the Guru and the Satguru taken millions of steps towards you.
Waheguru Bless you in your quest
Kanwal Jit Singh

kaur-1 · #4 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2007, 20:00 PM

Dear KiranSingh ji,

I forgot to mention this previously. When I needed guidance, I was told to contemplate(vichaar) on this tuk's from Japji sahib. Even now, I often recall this tuks in my mind. The more we read and contemplate gurbani, the more we are able to understand this tuks. The more we are able to understand the reason we are here in this human life and how to "live"(obey the commands/guidance/advice in Gurbani) gurbani.

ਕਿਵ ਸਚਿਆਰਾ ਹੋਈਐ ਕਿਵ ਕੂੜੈ ਤੁਟੈ ਪਾਲਿ ॥
kiv sachi-aaraa ho-ee-ai kiv koorhai tutai paal.
So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?
ਹੁਕਮਿ ਰਜਾਈ ਚਲਣਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥
hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal. ||1||
O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||

Once you have done enough "research"(recited,sung,contemplated) gurbani of our Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and if you feel ready, then the next stage is taking "amrit" ie khanda ki pahul or amrit sanskar Pahul - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.. Actually its all up the individual when they feel ready to take amrit. Personally, I feel one should at least understand gurbani before taking amrit. This way the indivual is then ready for the rehit (discipline) required.

ਪਾਇਆ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਗੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕੀਨੀ ਸਚਾ ਮਨਿ ਵਸਾਇਆ ॥
paa-i-aa amrit gur kirpaa keenee sachaa man vasaa-i-aa.
This Amrit is obtained, when the Guru grants His Grace; He enshrines the True Lord within the mind.
ਜਿਸ ਉੱਤੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਦਇਆ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ, ਉਹ ਆਬਿ-ਹਿਯਾਤ ਨੂੰ ਪਾ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਸੱਚੇ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਟਿਕਾਈ ਰਖਦਾ ਹੈ।

ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ ਸਭਿ ਤੁਧੁ ਉਪਾਏ ਇਕਿ ਵੇਖਿ ਪਰਸਣਿ ਆਇਆ ॥
jee-a jant sabh tuDh upaa-ay ik vaykh parsan aa-i-aa.
All living beings and creatures were created by You; only some come to see the Guru, and seek His blessing.
ਸਾਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਣਧਾਰੀ ਤੂੰ ਹੀ ਰਚੇ ਹਨ, ਹੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਪਰ ਕੋਈ ਵਿਰਲਾ ਹੀ ਗੁਰਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਵੇਖਦਾ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੀ ਪਨਾਹ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ।

ਲਬੁ ਲੋਭੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਚੂਕਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਭਲਾ ਭਾਇਆ ॥
lab lobh ahaNkaar chookaa satguroo bhalaa bhaa-i-aa.
Their greed, avarice and egotism are dispelled, and the True Guru seems sweet.
ਉਸ ਦਾ ਲਾਲਚ ਤਮ੍ਹਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਹੰਕਾਰ ਨਵਿਰਤ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਸੱਚੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਮਿੱਠੇ ਲਗਦੇ ਹਨ।

ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਆਪਿ ਤੁਠਾ ਤਿਨਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੧੩॥
kahai naanak jis no aap tuthaa tin amrit gur tay paa-i-aa. ||13||
Says Nanak, those with whom the Lord is pleased, obtain the Amrit, through the Guru. ||13||
ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ ਜਿਸ ਨਾਲ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਨ ਹੈ, ਉਹ ਗੁਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਨਾਮ-ਸੁਧਾਰੱਸ ਨੂੰ ਪਾ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ।

ਭਗਤਾ ਕੀ ਚਾਲ ਨਿਰਾਲੀ ॥
bhagtaa kee chaal niraalee.
The lifestyle of the devotees is unique and distinct.
ਅਨੋਖੀ ਹੈ ਜੀਵਨ ਰਹੁ ਰੀਤੀ ਸੰਤਾਂ ਦੀ।

ਚਾਲਾ ਨਿਰਾਲੀ ਭਗਤਾਹ ਕੇਰੀ ਬਿਖਮ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਚਲਣਾ ॥
chaalaa niraalee bhagtaah kayree bikham maarag chalnaa.
The devotees' lifestyle is unique and distinct; they follow the most difficult path.
ਅਨੋਖੀ ਹੈ ਜੀਵਨ ਰਹੁ ਰੀਤੀ ਸੰਤਾਂ ਦੀ, ਉਹ ਕਰਨ ਰਹੋ ਟੁਰਦੇ ਹਨ।

ਲਬੁ ਲੋਭੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਤਜਿ ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਬੋਲਣਾ ॥
lab lobh ahaNkaar taj tarisnaa bahut naahee bolnaa.
They renounce greed, avarice, egotism and desire; they do not talk too much.
ਉਹ ਲਾਲਚ, ਤਮ੍ਹਾਂ ਹੰਗਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਖ਼ਾਹਿਸ਼ ਨੂੰ ਛੱਡ ਦਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਵਾਧੂ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਨਹੀਂ।

ਖੰਨਿਅਹੁ ਤਿਖੀ ਵਾਲਹੁ ਨਿਕੀ ਏਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਜਾਣਾ ॥
khanni-ahu tikhee vaalahu nikee ayt maarag jaanaa.
The path they take is sharper than a two-edged sword, and finer than a hair.
ਉਹ ਖੰਡੇ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਤੇਜ਼ ਅਤੇ ਬਾਲ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਬਰੀਕ ਰਸਤੇ ਟੁਰਦੇ ਹਨ।

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The comparison to the edge of a sword, however, refers to a discipline which is required for a successful journey. This is the discipline based on His Law (Hukm) revealed to the Gurus. This discipline is built into Sikhism, as an extension of the one governing the universe. Any deviation from it will stop short of the destination. It conveys the inviolability of His Hukm and the firmness with which it has to be observed. The Sikhs of the Guru are expected to understand and recognize this Hukm and follow it for an enduring peace and happiness - (Guru Granth Sahib page 156).

Harjas Kaur Khalsa · #5 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2007, 20:35 PM

Beautiful post Kaur-1 Ji! Excellent explanation and advice.

KiranSingh · #6 (**permalink**) 11-Apr-2007, 00:32 AM

To everyone,
I am humbled by your gracious welcomes and sincere advice. There is much to learn and I want to take each step in its time. I was rushed into Catholic confirmation as a child and never had the chance to understand what I was committing myself to. I envision someday perhaps taking Amrit but not before I am truly ready. Until then, I will follow your advice.
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May Waheguru Bless you all.

Kiran

deepinder.singh · #7 (**permalink**) 15-Jul-2007, 02:17 AM

I, too, am a Westerner, raised Baptist, in the USA, and I too have recently become an inquirer into the Sikh way.
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Unfortunately for me, there is no gurdwara in my area, and I have only seen one person in my town that has the typical appearance of the Sikh (bearded, turbaned, etc.) but I have only seen him on a couple of occasions as he was walking down a street. I was a bit reluctant to approach him in case I was wrong (after all, some Muslims are bearded and wear turbans as well, and I didn't want to run risk of offending the gentleman, if I did turn out to be wrong.)

Anyway, I'm very grateful to have found this forum, and will also be looking into the resources mentioned in the posts on this thread. Until then, I guess that you could call me a "Sikh in the heart", since I have no chance at a formal conversion to Sikhi at this point in time.

Astroboy · #8 (**permalink**) 28-Jul-2007, 20:30 PM

What is your opinion about having an online gurdwara especially for non-punjabi speaking new sikhs where programmes and prayers are conducted in the English version or translated version?
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Narayanjot Kaur · #9 (**permalink**) 28-Jul-2007, 21:12 PM

Begum ji

Either you are yourself an ingenue or you are being facetious and are not serious about this suggestion.

A gurdwara implies you are at the threshold of Truth's dwelling place -- i.e., the dwelling of Guru ji. The physical, not virtual, presence of Sriri Guru Granth Sahib is a pre-requisite. You know this I am certain. In addition, the physical, not virtual, presence of Sikhs (I think 4 is the number) is mandatory. Do not mislead newcomers by making them think that anything goes in the Information Age.
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Deepinder Singh ji - Please check out the threads we have started that help locate gurdwaras in the United States, and other parts of the world.

Stay in Chardi Kala

P/S OK, Begum ji. You apparently deleted some other things later. I was only hyped up about the personal web information.