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View Poll Results: What is the value to realizing or understanding Creator/God?
I will give all I have if someone helps me discover God/creator. 1 6.67%
I will give $100,000 or 40,000 pounds or 1,000,000 rupees to someone who helps me find/realize God/creator. 1 6.67%
I will forever be indebted to such a person but I cannot afford to give much. 0 0%
I will just say thank you as Sri Gur Granth Sahib guides me for free. 10 66.67%
You kidding! I already understand God/Creator. 1 6.67%
I don’t care or other. 2 13.33%
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Old 06-Feb-2012, 23:25 PM
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What value if someone gets you to Find/See/Realize God/Creator?

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In general our spiritual desire to know the big unknown of creation, creator or God sustains throughout our lives. Some may close their eyes and contemplate. Some may listen to a preacher or follow similar person. Some may simply study and understand such as in Sikhism through Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Some of the people may already have so realized and be at peace. Others may simply deny creator/God and be happy as such.
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In my mind all these are stages or activities that continue in a thinking mind throughout our lives. Question comes to mind that the desire for such knowledge at times is so strong that one can even associate worldly or materialistic value to such if someone helps one reach understanding or so called salvation. I thought it will be interesting to know and gauge this in a poll so here it goes.

  • I will give all I have if someone helps me discover God/creator.
  • I will give $100,000 or 40,000 pounds or 1,000,000 rupees to someone who helps me find/realize God/creator.
  • I will forever be indebted to such a person but I cannot afford to give much.
  • I will just say thank you as Sri Gur Granth Sahib ji guides me for free.
  • You kidding, I already understand God/Creator
  • I don’t care or other.

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Re: What value if someone gets you to find/see/realize God/Creator?

Veer Ji I would give the rupee amount as that works out to about 12000 pounds ,so thats a real bargain, to find God for the price of a family car!
ਸਭਿ ਘਟ ਮੇਰੇ ਹਉ ਸਭਨਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਜਿਸਹਿ ਖੁਆਈ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਕਹੈ

सभि घट मेरे हउ सभना अंदरि जिसहि खुआई तिसु कउणु कहै ॥

Sabẖ gẖat mere ha▫o sabẖnā anḏar jisahi kẖu▫ā▫ī ṯis ka▫uṇ kahai.

God says, all hearts are mine, and I am in all hearts. Who can explain this to one who is confused?



ਜਿਸਹਿ ਦਿਖਾਲਾ ਵਾਟੜੀ ਤਿਸਹਿ ਭੁਲਾਵੈ ਕਉਣੁ

जिसहि दिखाला वाटड़ी तिसहि भुलावै कउणु ॥

Jisahi ḏikẖālā vātṛī ṯisėh bẖulāvai ka▫uṇ.

Who can confuse that being, unto whom I have shown the Way?



ਜਿਸਹਿ ਭੁਲਾਈ ਪੰਧ ਸਿਰਿ ਤਿਸਹਿ ਦਿਖਾਵੈ ਕਉਣੁ ॥੧॥

जिसहि भुलाई पंध सिरि तिसहि दिखावै कउणु ॥१॥
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Jisahi bẖulā▫ī panḏẖ sir ṯisėh ḏikẖāvai ka▫uṇ. ||1||

And who can show the Path to that being whom I have confused since the beginning of time? ||1||

excerpt from Shalok M1 onpage 952

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Veer Ji I would give the rupee amount as that works out to about 12000 pounds ,so thats a real bargain, to find God for the price of a family car!
No problem. Let me see if I can find God/creator first.

By the way, I did not do exact conversions and did make it a bargain in Indian Rupees by design for our special spn Brothers/Sisters in India.

I will take 10% non-refundable deposit from you as a special

Sat Sri Akal.

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Re: What value if someone gets you to find/see/realize God/Creator?

Could it be possible every persons consonance is individual to them?

If this is the case, then there is no help for any of us...

Also, I personally believe that just because you have found God/Creator, does not automatically mean you have found such for life, in the same way that marrying a woman does not mean she will love you no matter what you do, for life, We find Creator/God many times a day, when we are in Hukam, if we were to be in Hukam all the time, We would be with God all the time, Why would we need anyone to show us that?
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How can someone "get you" to find God?
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A person can be "made" to find a job, do the laundry etc. But "made" to find God, or to even love something they don't? Impossible.

But when it comes to loving guidance etc... I think we have to look at the relationships already in our lives. Imo, there's at least one person in everybody's life who loves them unconditionally. Unconditional love means they don't expect anything in return... other than that you be a loving being yourself.
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How can someone "get you" to find God?

A person can be "made" to find a job, do the laundry etc. But "made" to find God, or to even love something they don't? Impossible.

But when it comes to loving guidance etc... I think we have to look at the relationships already in our lives. Imo, there's at least one person in everybody's life who loves them unconditionally. Unconditional love means they don't expect anything in return... other than that you be a loving being yourself.
Bhenji,

There are a lot of gullible people around who are too busy to find God, and will happily pay for someone to stand in queue.
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Bhenji,

There are a lot of gullible people around who are too busy to find God, and will happily pay for someone to stand in queue.
Veer harry haller ji why you have to spoil the fun of the thread by declaring the punch line .

Now what. You want me to close my shop as I thought someone will offer me a lot of money . Oh no I have to open the shop/dehra first!

Sat Sri Akal.
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Apologies Veerji,

I have been sitting on my hand for some time, however I should share some of the responsibility with Navdeep Bhenji who set me up for it nicely,

However at least one vote would happily pay $100,000 (but not more, or all they have), maybe we should put them in touch with whoever voted that they understood Creator, or you could charge a handling fee for the introduction, failing that, We could go into business together!
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Bhenji,

There are a lot of gullible people around who are too busy to find God, and will happily pay for someone to stand in queue.
Harry Ji,

This is actually something I've been thinking about... like why are so many people quick to treat religion/faith as something else in life that just needs to be dealt with...

I think "too busy" is a falacy... I think its more to do with the perception of being too busy... that of upholding this external standard or that... which is such a big thing in our community. Omg, is my house big enough? What will the people back home say?
idk, just an opinion
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