Cycles of the Soul: Creation, Growth, Death or Transformation into other Souls?

Soul is the inner self that is like a sounding board of impartiality within. It sees you without clothes, it sees you without bias or ill will or animosity. In our action we have a choice to go with what our soul tells us or decide otherwise. In practical living, the actions you take in worldly matters do not always bring about the best outcome if you always follow your soul (me think!).

• Is soul something you are born with fully developed?
  • You are born with a body and a baby soul in it
• Is soul something that slowly develops through life?
  • Your soul grows with your body
  • As it sees more of you without any cloak you see it also as the truthful one which understands you whether you like it or not
  • You can camouflage your way through the world, you cannot fool your soul

Quote:

Living is being born slowly. It would be a little too easy if we could borrow ready-made souls. ~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, Flight to Arras, 1942

• Does your soul continues to be or dissipates in other growing souls at death?
  • Your soul interacts with others through any of the five senses and a sixth sense (soul’s independent processing power)
  • Others interact with you and your soul through their senses and souls
  • Your interactions with other souls diminish but never die totally
  • Your soul is like a wave that diminishes over time to almost nothingness in the Universe ocean but will forever reverberate in a small measure somewhere
• How are new souls created as there are more people now than 20,000 years ago?
  • Souls never die and parts of them merge with other souls and become part thereof.
  • Souls like entropy will always increase and the new are created for ever with components of old, present other souls and seeding of soul in a baby (biological processes) .... little baby soul or soul infrastructure that develops in every baby child
    • Not to be taken literally, when a new child is born back home (Punjab for me), it used to be that people will ask a great person of good qualities to come and visit the new baby. The person would be considered to give "Gurhti" (like a kick start on a journey of life), and many times with lot of liberties taken (not to be taken literally or a s belief in magic or superstition), people will say "bil kul ohdeh jiha jineh gurhti diti see" (implying the person has grown with many qualities of the person who came fot "gurhti visit when the person was a baby.

Quote:

I simply believe that some part of the human Self or Soul is not subject to the laws of space and time. ~Carl Jung

• Does non-life have soul?
  • No it does not but everything is part of oneness (Sikhism) and on earth soul like equivalents and souls can be expected to be everywhere.
• Can you trade your soul?
  • No you cannot. Though, you are allowed to fool yourself for sure.

Quote:

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth." Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path." For the soul walks upon all paths. The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed. The soul unfolds itself, like a lotus of countless petals. ~Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923

• In the end, can you ever fool your soul or not show its suppression?
  • Another soul always has the capability to see your soul.
    • .... as the saying goes, "Look at me when you speak", as eyes are considered windows on the soul. So when there is a conflict with your soul and your actions it is visible to trained eyes.
      
  • One way is as if what Sufi Rumi says below,

Quote:

When you do things from your soul you feel a river moving in you, a joy. When action comes from another section, the feeling disappears. ~Rumi

The above not directed at anyone's beliefs or to make people realize a new truth that negatively impacts their belief system and hence life.


Any comments or thoughts!


Sat Sri Akal.


PS: Seeker9 ji encouraged me. Thanks.

 
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The centipede was happy quite
Until a toad in fun
Said, 'Pray, which leg comes after which?'
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This raised her mind to such a pitch
She lay distracted in a ditch
Considering how to run.

I found this interesting and quite helpful.
http://www.turnbacktogod.com/what-faith-can-do/

SOUL as innerself is the same as vast infinite outerself it does not take Birth or grows or Dies or transforms into others.
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It is JEEVa that takes the Birth and follows the cycleas mentioned in the post.All JEEvs are created from MAYA and SOUL is the life supporting system for the JEEVa/

So it would be interesting to know about the creation of JEEVas and understand their CYCLE of transformation.This creation is again is the result of interaction of complex WAVES AND THERE IS ALWAYS ONETHING COMMON IN ALL jeevAS AND THAT IS sOUL
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This is a very deep and complex subject of discussion which can not be comleted in few words.What I have presented as surfacial views about actually who takes Birth and follows the CYCLE of transformation.

Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakash S. Bagga ji some comments and appreciate response.

• Is this a “Jyot” concept?
  • Please define what happens at death and after cremation?
• So soul does not change but body does!
  • So what part of ourselves are we trying to make better out of understanding of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji?
• Are we to assume that,
  • It is all pre-destined.
  • We play no part but are just puppets.
    • These are not what Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji espouses but are Hinduism and other “-ism” concepts.

• Isn’t “JEEVa” just life creation from life as per the laws of nature or oneness that Sikhism believes in, how is it related to “SOUL”
  • Do you believe “Soul” is separate from the creation of life?
• “SOUL is the life supporting” system
  • Please describe what you mean how it works?
• What is your comment on reference to “chaurasy lakh junes” (8.4 million re-incarnations”
  • Do you believe in it?
    • These are not what Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji espouses but are Hinduism and other “-ism” concepts.

These are some questions that come to mind based on your comment.

With regards in order to learn and share.

Sat Sri Akal.

PS: Namjap ji I pray you provide input. When is centipede going to start moving again? Frog is expecting an answer in the name of God!

I read your referenced article about the two legged dog and it is inspirational for sure. Couldn’t figure out how it relates to my post and point therein in specifics.

I might post it in inspirational stories section for sharing.

Again please share your insights in reference to my post as we only grow through sharing.

AMBARSARIA Ji.
My response to your post is as

1...Consciousness is definitely is the reference of JOTi only.

2..It is part "I" or what is reffered as HAUMAMAE in Gurbaani we try to make better out of understanding of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

3...Well,According to Gurbaani it is all predestined.
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Let us be clear about the concept of Jeeva.Even EARTH,SUN,MOON and all planets including stars and everything visible in in UNIVERSE is Jeeva.And Consciousness is present within every Jeeva. A quote from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for reference

"APNEE MAYA AAP PASAAREE AAPE DEKHANHARAA
NANAA ROOP DHARE BAHu RANGEE SABH TE RAHE NIARAA" pp537

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What is to be accepted or rejected is clearly given in the messages of Gurbaani.According to Gurbaani it is to be believed that the whole game is
of 'Chaurasi lac Joons"There can be no ifs and but about this.

Prakash.S.Bagga.

The frog concept : Acting as a distraction.
Centipede concept : Nature is made intelligent, self-preserving and auto-functional. We are that part of nature who are living like the centipede but we sometimes wonder, like the frog does, how nature works.

NAMJAP Ji,
Wonderful explanation forthe Centipede concept.

Although knowing nature is a continuing process.Our Gurbaani is very clear about this knowing asquote

"HARi KEE GATi NAA KOEE JAANE
JOGEE JAPEE TAPEE PUCH HAARE
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ARBO LOG SIYAANE"

So we should have only concern with NAAmu of Gurbaani,

Prakash.S.Bagga

Ambarsaria Ji,

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