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04-Jul-2004, 15:27 PM
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Sikhs do call, Guru Nanak as their Prophet. Which is wrong, becos hazrat Muhammad [SAW]was the last prophet, and all others who claim to be one, are hypocrites and false prophet.
Guru Nanak was no Prophet just reformer, it would be clear by reading the fowlling. Qualities of a Prophet of God
No one can become a prophet of God by his own choosing or effort; Allah has to choose him to be His prophet. And Allah chooses only such persons who have all the qualities necessary for that role, and He does so at the appropriate time in history, and then He protects His prophets from falling into the kind of errors that do not suit a prophet.
The first duty that a prophet of God does is to tell his people that he has been appointed a prophet by God to invite people to His way. Thus, a genuine prophet claims to be a prophet of God, though this claim in itself is not enough. But first and foremost, a prophet has to claim himself to be a prophet of God. The people often question this claim and threaten him to give up his claim. They may even offer him all kinds of temptations that ordinary humans would fall for. But the genuine prophets ignore these and go forward with their God-given mission. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interfaith-dialogues/203-guru-nanak-a-false-prophet.html
So, the first question you need to ask your Sikh friend is: Did Nanak really claim to be a prophet chosen by God to lead people out of darkness into light?
If the answer is “no,” tell him that this proves that prophethood was conferred on him by his zealous followers and it is meaningless to continue to argue that Nanak was a prophet.
If the answer is “yes,” the second question is: Did Nanak approve of the roles of earlier prophets of God, especially the prophet who came just before him, Muhammad (peace be on him)?
If he says “yes,” ask him then how one can reconcile the fact that Muhammad was the Last Prophet of God and the claim that Nanak was a prophet after the Last Prophet.
The third question is whether all the Sikhs believe that their holy book, called the Adi Granth, was revealed to Nanak by God. If they say “yes,” ask them whether there is any statement to that effect in the book itself and whether Nanak said that the Adi Granth had been fully revealed to him by God. If the answer is in the affirmative, your Sikh friend has to show the proof that the above statements are true, from the Adi Granth itself. This will not be possible for him to do for the following reasons:
1. The Adi Granth is a collection of the writings of many Gurus including Nanak. It was in 1604—Nanak died in 1539—that Arjan Dev, one of the ten Gurus, compiled the hymns of Guru Nanak along with the compositions of both Hindu and Muslim holy men like Jaidev, Surdas, Sheikh Farid and Kabir. The compiled book was enshrined by Arjan in the Golden Temple with the name “Adi Granth.”
2. A prophet of God is a model for all his followers in all aspects of life. But in the case of Sikhism, we find that it was not Guru Nanak, but the tenth Guru, Gobind Singh, who organized the community of Sikhs into a khalsa, “a spiritual brotherhood devoted to purity of thought and action.” He taught his followers to wear long hair (kesh, denoting saintly appearance), underwear (kachha, denoting self-control), an iron bangle (kara, denoting purity in acts), a comb (kangha, denoting cleanliness of mind and body), and a sword (kirpan, denoting fight for a just cause). Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=203
3. Towards the end of his life, the aged Nanak returned home to Punjab and settled down at Kartharpur with his family. People came from far and near to hear his hymns and preaching. After his death, his Hindu followers thought him to be a Hindu and his Muslim followers thought him to be a Muslim.
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Sikhs do call, Guru Nanak as their Prophet. Which is wrong, becos hazrat Muhammad [SAW]was the last prophet, and all others who claim to be one, are hypocrites and false prophet. Firstly Hazrat Mohammed said himslef that he was the last Prophet. What is the proof that he was the last prophet apart from this.?
Guru Nanak was no Prophet just reformer, it would be clear by reading the fowlling. Guru Nanak Dev Ji was much more than a Prophet.
The defination of Prophet as per Islam is a 'warner' not a guide..Prophets just warn, or prophesise, they dont guide.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji had the Jot of Waheguru, and hence was one with God. He was NOT warned like the Prophet of doom, nor was God ever angry with him.
He was chosen to guide people on the way of Naam, the religion of God.
So, the first question you need to ask your Sikh friend is: Did Nanak really claim to be a prophet chosen by God to lead people out of darkness into light?
If the answer is “no,” tell him that this proves that prophethood was conferred on him by his zealous followers and it is meaningless to continue to argue that Nanak was a prophet. Hee hee. I have already answered your question above and I think in the light of the above the remaining questions are invalid. The Gurus of the sikhs were not mere Prophet, who were subject to judgement, rather they were Masters for the sikhs who had the Jot of God.
If the answer is “yes,” the second question is: Did Nanak approve of the roles of earlier prophets of God, especially the prophet who came just before him, Muhammad (peace be on him)? Now to address your questions with logic of the likeness you have used ;-) Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=203
If he says “yes,” ask him then how one can reconcile the fact that Muhammad was the Last Prophet of God and the claim that Nanak was a prophet after the Last Prophet.
It was rather clever of the Prophet to decalre himslef the last prophet. By that he wanted to make Islam the most popular religion. In fact not only did he say he was the last prophet, suring the latter period of his life he even negated the folowings of the earlier prophets. For if the followings of the early prophets were also true, then there would be no need for the last prophet - Prophet Mohammed to be on this earth and give his own teachings.
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The biggest teaching that muslims claim is of Tawheed or the oneness of God. This is not something unique, is it. The Jews knew about this before the pagans of Arabia knew.
In facte I would suggest that you give up claims to Israel and let them libve in peace as the Jews are th original people to know about Tawheed. They are the original Momins
The third question is whether all the Sikhs believe that their holy book, called the Adi Granth, was revealed to Nanak by God. If they say “yes,” ask them whether there is any statement to that effect in the book itself and whether Nanak said that the Adi Granth had been fully revealed to him by God.
Yes. Guru Granth Sahib has got hymns which clearly convey the message that this is the message of God.
In fact it turns out thatwhile Guru Granth Sahib has no inconsistencies in concept, the Quran is full of big blunders.
Not only does it deviate from the spirtual aspct of life, it also breeds hate and violence among the various people.
The lesser said about the Quaranic inconsistencies, the better..but If you want I would be glad to reproduce for you tracts.....which have been translated by muslim authors themselves. 
If the answer is in the affirmative, your Sikh friend has to show the proof that the above statements are true, from the Adi Granth itself.
Like I said, just say it and they will be reproduced on this very Forum.
This will not be possible for him to do for the following reasons:
1. The Adi Granth is a collection of the writings of many Gurus including Nanak. It was in 1604—Nanak died in 1539—that Arjan Dev, one of the ten Gurus, compiled the hymns of Guru Nanak along with the compositions of both Hindu and Muslim holy men like Jaidev, Surdas, Sheikh Farid and Kabir. The compiled book was enshrined by Arjan in the Golden Temple with the name “Adi Granth.” Yes. Because unlike narrow minded biased Islamic relgion, Sikhism belives that anyone can achieve God. Those who achieved God, only their compositions are included in Guru Granth Sahib.
The touchstone used to test was the Baani which the Gurus thmselves received from 'Dhur'. The touchstone prooved that the Baani of the Bhagats was Ilaahi Baani indeed.
Please note that Gurbaani is all about God, NOT about some piddly myths - which wont even stand the test of time and histroy.
Gurbani is about truth, NOT about false
Gurbani is about Love, not about hating ur fellow beings
Gurbani is about Naam, and focusses ion worship of One True God, NOT some prophet.
2. A prophet of God is a model for all his followers in all aspects of life. But in the case of Sikhism, we find that it was not Guru Nanak, but the tenth Guru, Gobind Singh, who organized the community of Sikhs into a khalsa, “a spiritual brotherhood devoted to purity of thought and action.” He taught his followers to wear long hair (kesh, denoting saintly appearance), underwear (kachha, denoting self-control), an iron bangle (kara, denoting purity in acts), a comb (kangha, denoting cleanliness of mind and body), and a sword (kirpan, denoting fight for a just cause). You dont even understand the basic principles of sikhism. Suggest that you go and study some books.
The Jot which permeated in Guru Nanak moved from him to the rest of the Gurus. The 'moorat' - physical body was different byt the concepts and the Jot was the same.
The iron was readied by Guru Nanak Dev J, The steel was made and forged into the steel by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. The transformation from a piddly human beings were converted into the complete saint
soldier - the Khalsa.
3. Towards the end of his life, the aged Nanak returned home to Punjab and settled down at Kartharpur with his family. People came from far and near to hear his hymns and preaching. After his death, his Hindu followers thought him to be a Hindu and his Muslim followers thought him to be a Muslim. Because everyone wants to own an enlightened person. ;-)
Wonder why the Jews did not come forward to claim prophet Mohammed as a jew and the Christian did not come forward to claim him as a Christian even though he had declared that he was a continuation of the line of prophets and the last prophets.
From the foregoing, we understand that Guru Nanak was not a prophet of God, but a religious reformer of his times. You are indeed a scholar Sir. I salute you ;-) By the way who many prophets does Islam declare? 12,000 sopmething. Pity that God wanted to send 12,000 prophets in the brief time that civilisation had just started, but therafter he was silence.
What was the big deal about Mohammed. What he had said about Oneness of God was already known to Jews and Christians....
Can you give me the names of at least 100 of these Prophets...please....pretty pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee.......
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Wonder where Jinni has gone....perhaps back to his lamp... :p   Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=203
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Perhaps more than any Prophet in history Nanak's coming on Earth was predicted profusely with uncanny accuracy as recorded in some detail below. This has resulted after long and arduous research into the ancient doctrines many dating thousands of years before his actual birth. These are numerically listed below for ease of reference, not necessarily in chronological order. The Vedas and Puranas in which these direct references have been found recorded, are known to be amongst the oldest chronicles in the world. These references are as under:
1. In the Hindu epic the RIG VEDA
(i) In Mandala 7, Ush 5, Mantra 5 and Chapter 6
"Bee chakram prithoi aishai ta khestraaeh Vishnu mansai das sayaan throvaah so asaya keeryo janaas oeroo khashatra so janama chakaar ("
meaning
"when in the world the sinful ways will be on the rise and noble behavior will vanish, as the disappearance of the moon when on its wane on the darkest night, there will appear Vishnu as a prominent Prophet from the Keshatra Clan and will manifest in consecutive form through 10 Prophets to bring back the ways of virtue to the ailing world."
(ii) In the same Vedas, in another part even in the name NANAK and the clan he belongs to is recorded thus -
"Sri Nanak gureng vareng saklaath heythoo. Heitha samasth jagathaa va veithee kaetheng"
meaning
"For the preaching of religious ways and the earning of good karma, there will manifest Guru NANAK from the clan of the Veithees"
(iii) At another position in the same Vedas is entered under Mandala 1 Soothak 5 and in the 7th Mantra thus -
"Eeth eethei Vishnu reinn chakramei threihaa nathathei patham"
meaning
"The Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three attributes. As an Avtar propounding Truth, as a Householder establishing family life and at the same time be a Raja Yogi"
2. The YUJAR VEDA
As in the RIG VEDA quoted above, in the YUJAR VEDA also the Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three main characteristics thus -
"Vishnu bee chakrageih treithaa neikthei patham samudhseiaa paaeh serei swahaa"
meaning
"Vishnu will appear again, manifesting three main characteristics, Avtarhood, Householder family life and be a Rajah Yogi as well"
Although in the above two quotations the name of Nanak does not directly appear, reference to being a householder family man, would point to him because he was among the first few Avtars (prophets) who was married and begetting children.
Incidentally in Hindu mythology, VISHNU is the primordial Godhead Prophet, who incarnates on Earth taking many differing forms and the ensuing names thereto.
3. In the BHAVEKHATH PURANA
"Baavekhath" means "future foretelling". There are numerous places in this famous Hindu epic where the advant of Guru NANAK is directly alluded to. These instances are listed hereunder -
(i)
"Theraa bhaareng thereshtwah keli krethem maha krethyaa. Aeveng vaee tharam parchaariang bhavekhthee thaa kalau. Thatha vei loka rakheiaartheng maleishana naas heithwei paschmeitlheng subh theisay vath wensei chei Nanaka naam nach rekhiang brahem geaanaik manas bhavekhet kaloe skunth thatar verth kaleaah har (35)."
meaning
"In the Kali Yuga when goodness in the world is deteriorating there will appear a Prophet from the Beithi clan named NANAK who from birth will be endowed with extra-ordinary spiritual power. He will preach on the nobility of life and the eradication of the sinful ways"
(ii) In another portion of this book the following short cogent quotation supplies further pertinent information on the advant of Nanak
"Guru thaa Brahma, Guru raa Vishnu, Guru raa dev maheshra saakhyaar Parbrehem Thasmei NANAK nameh"
meaning
"The Guru of the prophets, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv ji is God almighty himself. This very Creator will manifest itself as a human, in the form of one whose name will be NANAK
Note the clarity and explicitness in which the coming of Nanak is predicted.
(iii) Further down in this book is recorded the following detailed assertiveness about Nanak and the type of mission and work he shall perform. It appears to emanate from the Godhead itself.
"The Kali Yuga shall dawn on Earth with radical mainisfestation of destruction of Karma and Dharma to such an extent that every situation shall be colored by sinful activities. At that distressful moment, the Creator shall send down a spiritual liminary in the form of NANAK from the Khatria clan. He will spread the message of NAAM, the Holy life Force, by introducing the primacy of meditation and thus washing clean the sinful ways by the waters of love."
Note the beautiful and comprehensive description of the happening.
(iv) There is yet another quotation from this same Bhavekhath Purana indicative of Nanak and the 9 prophets that consecutively followed his lineage : -
"When in the world there is the deteriorization of noble Dharma, then Vishnu will re-incarnate through 10 Prophethoods and will preach on the universal and omnipotent value of NAAM. (the Holy Life Force)"
4. In DHIGVAJEH PURANA
"During the reign of the 8 Muslim rulers, Vishnu will incarnate in 10 human forms and after them will appear a (Mona) SILENT Guru (meaning the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the Sikh Scripture) who will only respond where the response is solicited."
The word SILENT is of great importance - it refers to the "Sikh Scriptural Book" (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji). This is the first time in the history of Religion that a Sacred Book was elevated to the status of a Prophet. Unlike a Prophet in body form with the inherent capacity to make utterances, a Book has to be categorized as being basically 'Silent'. This is indeed a startling revelation, pinpointing the coming into the world of a (mona) Silent Guru, thousands of years before the actual occurrence.
The eight Muslim Rulers were 1. - Sultan Lodhi, 2. - Babar, 3. - Humanyuh, 4. - Akbar, 5 - Jehangir, 6 - Shah Jahan, 7 - Aurangzeb, 8 - Bahadur Shah, These precisely were the Rulers in India during the period in which the 10th Sikh Guru came into being. This further emphasizes the authenticity of the revelation and the happening.
5. Through PATANJALI the great Indian (Hindu) Sage
Patanjali, one of the top Indian Yogis of old, came 2180 years before Guru Nanak. In his Ashram while lecturing on the Prophets of the Kali Yuga, the Iron Age, he singled out Guru Nanak as the one who will be outstanding. When asked what will be his prime mantra, He replied. -
"Wahyanti karyanti jathputi athak etwaha brahamadeya, teisah Gur et WAHEGURU"
meaning
"He will use a unique single syllable mantra which has not been utilized before at any Age or Era. This will be WAHEGURU."
Waheguru mantra, which means "Lord of Wonderment" has since been popularised by Guru Nanak and all the nine other Sikh Gurus that followed him.
6. In VISHNU PURANA
In the VISHNU PURANA there is recorded an interesting dialogue between VISHNU and a famous Rishi UMBREEK. Vishnu is said to have informed Umbreek that he will once again take birth in the Kali Yuga. The Rishi then enquired when about will that be and what will be your name then? Vishnu replied that this will happen when the Kali Yuga has proceeded for 4500 years and that I will take birth in the Shatri Sooraj Bansi clan, when I will be named, NANAK.
In this same Purana it is further recorded: -
"Sri Nanak santang saageaami
Sri asech, sri asech, sri asech, sri asech"
meaning
"Sri NANAK will once again appear in the world in a variety of incarnations; this is for sure, this is for sure, this is for sure."
Computing the date of Guru Nanak's birth from the above mentioned figure that took place when the Kali Yuga had proceeded for 4550 years, reckoning the total durations of Kali Yuga now to be about 5090 old. It is to be noted that this figure of 4550 is pretty close to the 4500 years predicted by VISHNU JI above. Incidentally, the clan in which Guru Nanak was born was also known as a Shatri Sooraj Bansi indicated above.
CONCLUSION
From the above it is evident that Guru Nanak must have had the largest number of premonitional references to his coming compared to the advent of the other Prophets in all the various Ages and Epochs. Therefore the Prophet Guru Nanak's advent into the world is indeed of millennial significance to even the coming future times.
NANAK
The word NANAK is a combination of two sanskrit terms. 'Na" and 'Anak'. The meaning attached to these words is "Not-but-One". The message conveyed by the Guru's name and the education imparted by him through the Sacred Scriptual verses, usually commence with the words "Ik Oengkar". This phrase too means Non-but-One. One God only.
MOOL MANTRA
There is a very interesting episode in Guru Nanak's illustrious life. When he was still very young, even before his `teens, he took a dip into the river alongside his house for his regular morning ablutions, but this time he dissapeared into the waters, missing for two days and nights. On the third day he re-appeared from out of the water with the following Verse on his lips, which is now called the MOOL MANTRA (the primordal Mantra ), which appers at the commencement of every Chapter and sub-Chapter in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the Sacred Scripture of the Sikhs. It is one of the most comprehensive definitions of God and is amongst the most powerful of all the world's Mantras.
This is how the Mool Mantra reads in its original version. -
"Ek Oengkaar Satnaam Karta purekh Nirbhau Nirvair Akaal Moorat Ajoonee Sai- Bhang Gurparsaath"
meaning
"The True One and only Omnipresent Immortal Essence of Reality. The Creator, the Omniscient and Omnipotent, the Incomprehensible (the fearless). Before all Beginnings and after all Endings. Beyond Time, Space and Form (and enmity). Free from the cycle of Births and Deaths, the Self-manifested. The Loving Merciful Enlightener (Realised with His Grace through total Submission to His Will)."
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The word NANAK is a combination of two sanskrit terms. 'Na" and 'Anak'. The meaning attached to these words is "Not-but-One". The message conveyed by the Guru's name and the education imparted by him through the Sacred Scriptual verses, usually commence with the words "Ik Oengkar". This phrase too means Non-but-One. One God only.
| Like the islamic kalima: La Ilaha Illallah, No God but God.
Seal of the Prophets can also mean a certain line , like the abrahamic line of prophecy. Seal does not even mean "last". |
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Ok i will now answer all of your questions, inshallah.
Firstly Hazrat Mohammed said himslef that he was the last Prophet. What is the proof that he was the last prophet apart from this.? Ok firstly everything in this life has a begining and an end, the prophet Adam the first prophet and Mohammad the last. Each of the prophets before Mohammad were sent to their own nations or tribes, so a prophet would have been sent to the four corners of the earth conveying the same message. Now although the name of this religion conveyed by the prophet at the time may not have been islam they would be the same fundamental religion. Now when the prophet mohammad came as a prophet he was different to all the the previous as he came to not only to the people of arabia but of the world.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji was much more than a Prophet.
The defination of Prophet as per Islam is a 'warner' not a guide..Prophets just warn, or prophesise, they dont guide.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji had the Jot of Waheguru, and hence was one with God. He was NOT warned like the Prophet of doom, nor was God ever angry with him.
He was chosen to guide people on the way of Naam, the religion of God. When the prophet Mohammad came he came with a warning and guidance for mankind he also prophesised. Muslims use the quran and sunnah for guidance.The prophet of doom? and god was angry? come again.
Hee hee. I have already answered your question above and I think in the light of the above the remaining questions are invalid.
The Gurus of the sikhs were not mere Prophet, who were subject to judgement, rather they were Masters for the sikhs who had the Jot of God.
Now to address your questions with logic of the likeness you have used ;-) Masters? isnt god the only master of the universe? 
It was rather clever of the Prophet to decalre himslef the last prophet. By that he wanted to make Islam the most popular religion. In fact not only did he say he was the last prophet, suring the latter period of his life he even negated the folowings of the earlier prophets. Huh? he negated the followings of the earlier prophets? oh so we only follow the ten commandments sent to moses in the old testament, follow the psalms of david and pray like jesus,yusuf etc, yeah i guess you could call that negating them.
For if the followings of the early prophets were also true, then there would be no need for the last prophet - Prophet Mohammed to be on this earth and give his own teachings.
The biggest teaching that muslims claim is of Tawheed or the oneness of God. This is not something unique, is it. The Jews knew about this before the pagans of Arabia knew.
In facte I would suggest that you give up claims to Israel and let them libve in peace as the Jews are th original people to know about Tawheed. They are the original Momins Yes all the following prophets were correct in message and true. Mohammad was sent as the seal the last one to give revelation not just for a tribe but to the whole of mankind till the day of judgement. You are correct in saying that the jews knew of the oneness of god before the arab pagans, but is it or is it not true that they rejected a prophet of god? Jesus. When he came as a prophet with the gospel.
Yes. Guru Granth Sahib has got hymns which clearly convey the message that this is the message of God.
In fact it turns out thatwhile Guru Granth Sahib has no inconsistencies in concept, the Quran is full of big blunders.
Not only does it deviate from the spirtual aspct of life, it also breeds hate and violence among the various people.
The lesser said about the Quaranic inconsistencies, the better..but If you want I would be glad to reproduce for you tracts.....which have been translated by muslim authors themselves. What proof shows us that the guru granth sahib is the message of god. So what big blunders does the quran have please let me know. Oh so how come the quran is the only book that hasnt been changed. It doesnt deviate from the spritual aspect of life, if so how? and where does it premote violence.
Like I said, just say it and they will be reproduced on this very Forum . Please do.
Yes. Because unlike narrow minded biased Islamic relgion, Sikhism belives that anyone can achieve God. Those who achieved God, only their compositions are included in Guru Granth Sahib.
The touchstone used to test was the Baani which the Gurus thmselves received from 'Dhur'. The touchstone prooved that the Baani of the Bhagats was Ilaahi Baani indeed.
Please note that Gurbaani is all about God, NOT about some piddly myths - which wont even stand the test of time and histroy.
Gurbani is about truth, NOT about false
Gurbani is about Love, not about hating ur fellow beings
Gurbani is about Naam, and focusses ion worship of One True God, NOT some prophet. Oh so thats why your ridiculing a prophet of another religion, which your religion say by following him we can reach god. Lol since when did you become an islamic scholar, the quran teaches us about life and the correct path to god.
You dont even understand the basic principles of sikhism. Suggest that you go and study some books.
The Jot which permeated in Guru Nanak moved from him to the rest of the Gurus. The 'moorat' - physical body was different byt the concepts and the Jot was the same.
The iron was readied by Guru Nanak Dev J, The steel was made and forged into the steel by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. The transformation from a piddly human beings were converted into the complete saint
soldier - the Khalsa. Huh? what are you on about?
Because everyone wants to own an enlightened person. ;-)
Wonder why the Jews did not come forward to claim prophet Mohammed as a jew and the Christian did not come forward to claim him as a Christian even though he had declared that he was a continuation of the line of prophets and the last prophets. Again you dont know what your talking about, yes the jews did not except him but they didnt even except jesus. If you read the torah you will see that moses speaks of the prophet mohammad. He cannot be classified as a chrsitian as the prophet did not agree with new ideas in christianity eg the trinity. Oh and jesus spoke of the prophet mohammad.
You are indeed a scholar Sir. I salute you ;-) And so are you.
By the way who many prophets does Islam declare? 12,000 sopmething. Pity that God wanted to send 12,000 prophets in the brief time that civilisation had just started, but therafter he was silence. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=203
What was the big deal about Mohammed. What he had said about Oneness of God was already known to Jews and Christians....
Can you give me the names of at least 100 of these Prophets...please....pretty pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee....... Huh? oh i forgot here goes mr scholar. Lol silence of god man look at your own reliigon, relevilation only came 600yrs ago whats happend to those before sikhism. Big deal about him is he is the seal, bringing revelation to the world. Christians and jews have lost their religion as the sikhs claim muslims and hindus have. The names of prophets are as follows Qur'anic Name
Biblical Name
Adam
Adam
Idris
Enoch
Nuh
Noah
Hud
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Salih
Salih
Ibrahim
Isma'il
Ishmael
Ishaq
Isaac
Lut
Lot
Ya'qub
Jacob
Yusuf
Joseph
Shu'aib
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Ayyub
Job
Musa
Moses
Harun
Aaron
Dhu'l-kifl
Ezekiel
Dawud
David
Sulaiman
Solomon
Ilias
Elias
Al-Yasa
Elisha
Yunus
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| |  | | | Re: Guru Nanak was a 'false' Prophet ??
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there comes a point from Das.
As per Vachitar Natak,Tenth Guru says so far who so ever came give his name and worship of God Allah was becoming secondary so did God sent him .He said that his Faith will only have the name of God and not of humans.
So Muslims fights with jews or Christians based upon the name of there prophets,But Sikhs have no prophet but God so no fight with anyone till some one offends God.
Dear rember this thing,Sikhs in genral,Khalsa,Pure one,who worship purlyGod,With no adultratiuon of Guru,Prophet or incarnation(Avtar) is himself/herself enjoys the position of a Prophet.
Khalsa does not need heavon or hell as both are created by Allah and can be destroyed when Allah want.So is the human soul.Only Allah Akal,Mahakal will remain.So why thing others.Rasool,Jesus,Guru Nanakdev Ji,Ramchandra all were born and with time left the earth.There body contained physical matterial,whcih can be destroyed.But God can never be made or destroyed.
If some one says that Allah was bounded by some book say holy Kuran and Rasol was the last prophet then we are trying to bind overpowerfull Allah.If Allah want Billions of more powerfull Rasools then Muhamud can be creted in second by Allah.
It is only by mercy of that same powerfull Allah that Allah created such Prophets,The form of Tenth Nanak ,they arte called Khalsa.Who is salvaged and capable to salvage others. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=203Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=203
No true Khalsa does worship Guru but does a worship of following Gurubani.
Prophet is one who does forecastes or prophesis.That person is false if forcastes are false.But there were many things which Gurus did say or even many true Khalsas of this age say and they come true.As far as Sikhism such miracles or Prophesis are banned.Yet often as the Khalsa is not under the control of Self but of God. So does God Akal make them to do such things.
Das did read sau Sakhi a record of saying of tenth master.Das can show an old edition(ten year befroe),Which stated that a Sikh will rule from Delhi.it is true today.there are many such things.
By mercy of Akal das want to tell that Gurus told about british ruling India in future even when King like Auranzeb or Bahdur Shah 1st were ruling.
May be some people can say that it could be interpolated at later date say after the conquest of India by Britishers.
So Das is telling another forecast made by Guru,About Sikhs taking over Medina and Mecca(as they are only ture Muslims left).By mercy of Akal das is telling this to let reactionary try to prevent them.More there is an opposition to Khalsa more do Akal strenthen them.Just see in future how this prophecy is realised and that will be proof more then sufficent about the power of Allah. | | The following member appreciates vijaydeep Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
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