Kill the history, religion will die on its own

Khalsa ji,

Yours truly believes,

"Slowly kill the history and pride, the religion will die on its own"


...a few years ago Guru Tegh Bahadur ji was mentioned like a plunderer in one of the history book of NCERT and now its turn of Guru Gobind Singh ji in NCERT grade XII book. The news below further proves the fact how watchful we have to be. Thanks to the people who noted this blunder and raised their voices.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/history-of-sikhism/14538-kill-history-religion-will-die-its.html


Read yourself and evaluate yourself.......
New Delhi, November 10, 2006
Following the objections raised by Sikh organisations against “objectionable” references to their Guru, the National Council of Educational Research and Training (NCERT) has decided to replace a paragraph on Guru Gobind Singh in its history textbook for class XII.

The NCERT decided to replace the paragraph in the book, Modern India, written by Prof Bipan Chandra, according to a circular issued by the Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE).
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14538
The paragraph in the book says, “Bahadur Shah had tried to conciliate the rebellious Sikhs by making peace with Guru Gobind Singh and giving him a high mansab.

But when, after the death of the Guru, the Sikhs once again raised the banner of revolt in Punjab under the leadership of Banda Bahadur, the emperor decided to take strong measures and himself led a campaign against the rebels.”

It will be replaced by a new paragraph now, which will read: “In the early eighteenth century the Sikhs once again raised the banner of revolt in Punjab. They did so first under the leadership of Guru Gobind Singh and after his death under Banda Bahadur. The emperor, Bahadur Shah, decided to take strong measures and himself led a campaign against the rebels.”

Link to the news: Tribune

"Pagadi sambhal Sikha, Pagadi sambhal oye"

Sat Shri Akaal,
-Akashdeep Singh

 
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Any kind of falisification of historical facts is wrong.

But I don't think that this marks anything as dramatic as "the end of the Sikkh religion". Not at all. Like we'd ever let that happen... :D

Dear Max,

Your presence on this forum proves that your mind is exploring the knowledge of Sikh panth, congratulations for choosing this path.

I agree with you that this does not mark anything as dramatic as "the end of the Sikh religion" . But my friend, the days of direct attacks are gone. These are the days of hidden plots which cannot be unearthed without deep analysis.

I take such acts [like destroying history] as injecting a radio active material with very short "half-life" period into a human. Take the example of a version of radioactive element thallium which has half life period of about 6 months. If this thallium is injected into a human body, it will kill all the disease fighting elements inside the human body and thallium will be gone from body in 6 months. Now the person will die slowly showing some symptoms similar to aids. But nobody can prove that thallium was ever injected as it has now decayed from the body leaving no traces behind. The person will seem to slowly die on his own.

Similar are the present ongoing acts of distroying the history of Sikh religion and injecting useless superstitions into Sikh religion. These useless superstitions [read professor Inder Singh Ghagga's work a www.sikhmarg.com] introduced into our religion will act like thallium as we will loose all the figting spirit that we have and become like idol-worshipping, miracle believing coward people who keep worshipping the idols expecting that some day God will change their life, rather than working to change their life with their own efforts and hard work.

Waheguru sanu sareyaan nu Gurbani da chanan bakshey.

Sat Shri Akaal,
-Akashdeep

The only solution is serious Sikh scholars getting a good grasp of Sikh history and presenting it in a way that can annilate all of the other "historians" writings i.e. McLeod and his gang and the Hinduvta brigade producing crap like that above.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14538
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14538

Max

"But I don't think that this marks anything as dramatic as "the end of the Sikkh religion". Not at all. Like we'd ever let that happen..."


Love the spirit! lol

Gurfateh

Left try to pain Gurmat as per thier left idea when congress rules and right or Hindutva guys do simlar things during BJP rule.

i think u need not to worry about NCERT books."us sahib dee jo marjee, oh he hunda hai." aapan kaun hundey hain usdee nature which interfear karan waley"

Things change and decay with time.

Is Sikkhi as we perceive it today the same as what it was perceived as over half a century ago? I doubt it.

But this isn't something that is observeable exclusively in the Sikkh faith. It is seen in all faiths.

I think one must realise that, whatever way the world goes, it is God's Will. Gurbani teaches us that God's Will is Supreme, and nothing can defy it (I suppose that settles the argument on Free Will v. Determinism on the Philosophy board, then :D ).

It will be as it will be.

Nevertheless, I don't think there is any big conspiracy behind destroying Sikkhi, either quickly or gradually. And even if it was destroyed, the name "Sikkhi" means nothing. It is the concept behind it that will remain True. It's not like someone's religion changes the Truth of the Universe, is it?

And, anyway, I still stand by the idea that Sikkhi is not a 'religion', anyway. I don't know why everyone thinks that calling Sikkhi a 'religion' is the highest honour one can bestow upon it. I personally think it's degrading to the true nature of Guru Nanak's philosophy. A man who taught against institutionalised belief systems due to their tendancy to cause division and subsequent war between communities having his teachings dubbed "a religion" is almost too ludicrous for words.

Max, I like to read the logic that you provide. Specially liked the answers that you have posted to "10 Questions from Muslims to Sikhs" post. Your reasoning is straightword and logical and I agree to most of it on that post, though I felt at some places some replies could have included examples from Gurbani. Nevertheless, your hard work, reasoning and dedication is commendable.
Pardon me, but this phrase is confusing for me. I have pondered over this question from some years now and I don't seem to agree that God has made us and left us as passive creatures having no say in the overall go of the World. If that be the case, then what would have been the meaning of the line "Aape Beejay Aape Khahe" (What you sow is what you reap)? I am kind of tilting towards the belief that may be we as humans may not have a great say in how the universe goes, but I think we do have some say in how and where the society goes. I think god has created us and has also created a free will (bound by some limits though). If there was no such system then what would be the need of people going and getting jobs and working hard to earn the bread, when it was already fixed by God that bread will be available. One would simply sit at ones home and say, "what is gods will, will happen eventually. I don't have to do anything. I can sit at home and if its Gods will I'll get food anyway". Similarly, if we lie on the track of train and think nothing will happen, only what gods will is going to happen, I don't think this will work - we otta cut into pieces. Gods has no doubt created the system with some things which are beyond the control of human beings and they cannot change them, but there are somethings that God has left to the intelligence of the Human Beings. Therefore, I think that truth does not win on its own, it needs people to make it win.

You may be right. But I am trying to find answers to the questions:-

1. Who added [names of persons are known, but what is their background] those derogatory lines related to Guru Tegh Bahadur ji to the NCERT history books? NCERT is the premier board of education in India and majority of the good schools follow this curriculum. Why were these added to the NCERT books?
2. Why is high secrecy involved in writing NCERT history books?
3. Why is the history related to specifically Guru Tegh Bahadur ji and Guru Gobind Singh ji being adulterated?
   1. Is it because Guru Tegh Bahadur ji are believed to be the saviour of Kashmiri Pandits and this fact is not getting digested in some people's stomach and they are trying to change this fact by distorting the history and telling that Guru Tegh Bahadur ji did not achieve shahadat for saving Kashmiri pandits but they were killed because they were plundering in the areas around New Delhi?
   2. Is it because Guru Gobind Singh ji gave us separate identity and this is not liked by some people? Why?
4. Why their are similar efforts to paint Banda Singh Bahadur as a "Banda Bairagi" showing him as a pandit. (no doubt his appearance was different before he met Guru Gobind Singh ji
5. What are the motives behind the images from the article :advocate:
   1. Panthic Weekly: Illustrated: Hinduization of Sikh Faith & History

May be you can help me find answers to these questions.

And keep up the good work! :roll:

Sat Shri Akaal,
-Akashdeep.

Thanks. I would have attempted to provide citations from scripture, but that post in the "10 Questions..." thread was a last minute thing (I was browsing about two minutes before going to bed, and was compelled to enough by the post to delay my sleep). That's also why I provided an open-ended clause in which the thead-starter could raise specific points that he felt required further clarification on my part.

Mm...yes, it's a fascinating question, isn't it?

I think that most people who have had the patience to stop and think about the direction of their lives have wondered, at some point or other, just how much control - if any - they have over their respective destinies. We wonder about how much of what we do is truly independent, and how much of it is little more than a rift in a chain of cosmic causality that is on a scale far beyond our limited understanding and our five senses.

I, too, have been caught in this nexus between how much of our actions are free of will, and how much is predetermined by a force that is either conscious or otherwise.

I have come to the conlcusion (though it is by no means definitive, of course) that, in actuality, all is God's Will. Quite simply, the very thoughts we are all having of "we must do something...we can't just lie on the proberbial train track" are actually God-given.

The scenario you present of all people being eternally passive is not something that could ever come to fruition, because peoples' egos - peoples' God-given egos - physically [i]prevent[i] passivism! :D

It's like the perfectly-connected logic cycle; the perfect cosmic 'design' for sentient beings. Our egos, like everything else in this universe, exist for a reason.

That's why I believe what gurbani says about the Five Thieves (with the central 'Thief' of ego), that they are not to be 'destroyed' but merely 'conquered'. Again, I refer to the idea of fire being a good servant but a bad master. The Five Thieves are essentially that very same inner fire that need to be controlled.

In other words, we should all have forward momentum centered around humility, family, tolerance and charity. Just like it says in gurbani.

And that type of belief system is nothing but constructive for a society.

[P.S. - As is natural to most human beings, we think of God as being a distinctly separate entity; a humanised entity. Whether we admit it or not, our first image of Godis an entirely egocentric one: a man on a throne, most probably sporting a white beard. A literal 'King'. But gurbani opens with the mool mantra, which essentially dissolves that entire image. It says that the entire universe is ONE. Every particle is linked to every other particle. There are no different people, no different planets, no different places. These are just the perceptions of our Five Senses. There is only ONE in the entire universe, and it is that universe. Once one begins thinking like this instead of in the creationist attitude (i.e. thinking of God as the chess inventor and player who sits in a room constructing pieces and then putting them on his custom-made board, and other such humanised images), the idea of God's Will suddenly takes on a whole new dimension and, suddenly, the idea of submitting to it makes just that much more sense. To me, at least. :D ]

If NCERT is headed by a fascist Hindu head, then it would make perfect sense that they would want to downplay and pollute the immense contributions of the Sikkh community to the Indian state, whilst creating a new history in which the Hindu population is given credit where little or none is due.

It's not unheard of. Changing the history books is not anything new and, in every case in which it happens, I believe that sufficienct action should be taken (i.e. raising awareness, making legal appeals, holding protests, reporting it to the correct authorities).

You obviously seem to know more about this organisation than myself, and my personal opinion is that something proactive needs to be done.

Beyond even the Sikkh community, the men and women who sacrificed their lives for the betterment of humanity ought to be remembered, and not slandered by people with ignoble socio-pooitical and religious agendas.

What is the relationship of NCERT to the Indian government (e.g. is it a private or state-funded organisation?), and what do you feel the Indian government has done / can do to prevent this falsification of human history?

You seem to be working substantially harder than me, so right back at ya, bro ;)