Is the Quom in a Coma?

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ਭਾਵੇਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਮੂਰਤੀਪੂਜਕ ਜਾਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਫੋਟੋ ਦੇ ਪੁਜਾਰੀ ਨਹੀਂ, ਬੇਸ਼ੱਕ ਇਹ ਫੋਟੋ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਬਣਾਈ ਗਈ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਅਸੀਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਹਰ ਸਰੂਪ ਨੂੰ ਇੱਜਤ ਮਾਣ ਦਿੰਦੇ ਹਾਂ। ਇਸ ਲਈ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਦੀ ਇੱਜ਼ਤ ਨੂੰ ਹੱਥ ਪਾਵੇ ਤਾਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਉਸਦਾ ਕੀ ਹਾਲ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਇਹ ਫੈਸਲਾ ਕਰਨਾ ਵੀ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਦੇ ਹੱਥ ਹੈ।
ਟਿੱਪਣੀ- ਸਿੱਖੋ ਦੇਖੋ ਇੱਕ ਸੌਦਾ ਸਾਧ ਹੋਰ ਆ ਗਿਆ...ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਕੋਲੋਂ ਇੱਕ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੰਭਾਲ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੁਣ ਇੱਕ ਹੋਰ ਆ ਗਿਆ...
ਇਕ ਨਾਟਕਬਾਜ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਪਾਖੰਡੀ ਸਾਧ ਰਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੋ ਜਨਾਨਾ ਕੱਪੜੇ ਪਾ ਕੇ ਰਾਮ ਲੀਲਾ ਮੈਦਾਨ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਭੱਜ ਗਿਆ ਸੀ ਦੀ ਇੰਨੀ ਜੁਰੱਅਤ ਹੋ ਗਈ ਕਿ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਤਸਵੀਰ ਆਪਣੇ ਪੈਰਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਰੱਖ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ।
ਲਾਲੇਆਣਾ ਵਿੱਚ ਨਾਟਕਬਾਜ ਰਾਮਦੇਵ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਮਾਗਮ ਦੌਰਾਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੀ ਤਸਵੀਰ ਆਪਣੇ ਪੈਰਾਂ ਕੋਲ ਰੱਖੀ ਅਤੇ ਆਪ ਮੰਚ ਤੇ ਬਿਰਾਜਮਾਨ ਰਿਹਾ । ਭਾਵੇਂ ਮੀਡੀਆ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਇਸਦਾ ਨੋਟਿਸ ਲਏ ਜਾਣ ਤੇ ਇਹ ਤਸਵੀਰ ਉਥੋਂ ਹਟਾ ਦਿੱਤੀ । ਪਰੰਤੂ ਪੰਥਕ ਹਲਕਿਆਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਇਸਦਾ ਗੰਭੀਰ ਨੋਟਿਸ ਲਿਆ ਜਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ। ਇਹ ਪਾਖੰਡੀ ਕੱਲ੍ਹ ਤੋਂ ਬਠਿੰਡਾ ਵਿਖੇ ਆਪਣਾ ਕੈਂਪ ਲਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ।
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English synopsis by Gyani Jarnail Singh who forwarded the article.

Heres Bhai Ramdev seated high on stage with a PHOTO of Guru Gobind Singh ji at HIS FEET !!! (Talwandi sabo)....I beleive SIKH KAUM is in DEEP COMA !!! as this fellow who Ran away from ramlila Grounds wearing LADY CLOTHES...dares to come to Punjab and make fun of SIKHS....by stepping on their Dastaars...is still a BIG HERO to many Sikhs as is that other thuggh the BLIND one..annah the corruption fighter who is bhagwa to his toes..

Looking from outside in it appears to be shaping up like this in India from Sikhism perspective:
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37432
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37432

1. BJP Block: RSS, BJP, Ram Dev, Anna Hazare (50%), Akalis

2. Congress: Congress, Anna Hazare (50%), Islamic Minority, Sikh (non-Akali)

Which is lesser of two Evils? Fanatic Idiots on one side and double-crossing wolves in sheep's clothing on the other side.

Seem pretty even to me.

Sat Sri Akal.

Ambarsariah Ji..SPOT ON.

The Blind leading the Blind ?? Or One eyed king in the land of the Blind ?? Hindu Annah..Turku Kanna...dohan te Sikh "Niyanna" !! Its such a pity that India is being DRAGGED down by politics of the dirtiest order....its Now No. 1 for POPULATION....No. 1 for Most number of Poor people..No. 1 for Kala Dhan hoarding...what else ???Its a pity because India could be a GREAT NATION.....anytime it wishes to....but it continues its slide down the slope...with no one having the sense to stop the slide...

If I am not mistaken, the picture of Guru Gobind Singh ji seems like a gift from some ignorant Sikh and is lying with other gifts that are piled up there.
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One can not expect any kind of respect to our Gurus from this charlatan who seems to be basking at the semi nude world gladly accepted by the Hindutva's parochial mind.

It is a shame that the ignorant Sikh Quom does not have the cajones (I forgot the word in Spanish), to boycott his arrival in Punjab.

Tejwant Singh

Ambarsaria Ji..


Khima bakshna but What you have written seems to be more fanatic. What you have to comment on Kiran Bedi, Arvind Kejriwal, Anna Hazare, Manish Sisodia from Anna Camp. Can u put any taint on them ? They have given this nation RTI which has enabled you to see the truth of Scams for BJP(Yediruppa), Congress, Akalis and all.
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I guess one must be emphasizing the fact now that Since Sikhs have already led the nation to change and to freedom then why this time so little contribution ?

Sikhs are totally in oblivion to see what is happening around. If the courts dont give you justice for 84 riots or such events, you blame all the Hindus. Ramdev has been doing good in Yoga curing many people but since Politics is not his field of expertise, I am with you on that. But you must acknowledge that Sikhs, Muslims supoprt his cause although he has setback acting childish, even Girlish, in Ramlila Ground, that is probably lack of maturity but his motive is not bad. He talks of policies to strengthen Agriculture and removing Baniya as middleman. If Punjab Police takes turban of any Sikh, or outside Darbar Sahib, no issues. No Hindu or Muslim is getting justice here let alone Sikhs. Courts are owned by Powerful. Can u get your case against Badal, he is a Sikh ? No, he is powerful. In India, its Powerful against Powerless, NOT BAHAMANVAADI VS SIKHS. Why this does not happen in US bcoz Legal System is good and responds. What Anna Hazare or Ramdev or Ravi Shankar are doing is great and we must support them. This shall make Judicial system stronger, give you Right to recall these power hungry people and make your real servants. How are they BJP or RSS or Congress ? Was RTI a BJP Agenda ? If you believe it ,then I believe it not good for me comment any further.

Dilgeer Bhain ji sorry I am little confused with your post. What or who is RTI?

I don't understand the following,

What are the doing specifically for Sikhs? I don't live in India so of course my comments need challenging and correction.

Issues for Sikhs are either internal to Sikhism or external as to how the majority in India will absorb, allow Sikhs to co-exist, etc. The shameful acts and sabotage continues unabated by the majority non-Sikhs towards Sikhs no matter what color or political affiliation they are. Some do pro-actively and others do hideously through association. If we want to make believe and assume that suddenly someone is going to help Sikhs save Sikhism or not passively or actively destroy it, then we are in La-La land. History is a guide. See how Punjab has been destroyed since Independence and it is foolish to think Sikhism could flourish without Sikh centric Punjab. Unfortunately the time to save Punjab was in 1947. So any separation and like thoughts right now are just plain not very effective so I am not that fanatic and I recognize that.No offense taken I am here to learn too.

Sat Sri Akal.

Ambarsaria Ji,

Its Dilgeer Singh.

As I see it, you had put these people in BJP Block stating they are playing for BJP. Thus, my statement. You are outside india, thats fine. But ultimately, If any change this movement brings, that would affect Sikhs too. If you believe otherwise, Do tell me. I would request you to watch more on this movement, searching for Lokpal Bill, Arvind kejriwal , Anna Hazare on youtube.I hope you would be more clearer what this movement is demanding.

Singh Saab, Here we have to take direction from philosophy of GuruDev Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. This World is grosser manifestation, full of imperfections. There would be difference within an individual, couple, family, Community, States, Nations. So, there would be competition. If we fail achieve what Kaum desires or injustice prevails, then we must see where we are lacking. The extent of history I have read, I see gross mistakes from our leaders, while Sikh youth paid with their lives. This loss pinches the psyche of the sikh, while a hindu witnessed their debacle. 1947 - Sikh leaders fell short of required vision, stayed selfish. People like Kartar Singh, tara Singh etc. 1966 further broke down Punjab. Akalis wanted to have state with more of Sikh population to form a government of there own. Punjabi Suba again took many sikh lives. 1984 akali and jarnail singh again not on same page. after 1984, Sikh Militant groups not on same agenda. This made it easy for intelligence agencies to infilterate these groups, while they could not identify the outsiders. Were they 'FOOLS' ? Declaration of khalistan.. again allowed forces to come into Golden temple. is there any maturity in Sikh leaders ? What was the need for punjabi suba ? Let Akalis Tell the Kaum, what they wanted to achieve by Punjabi Suba, and what have they achieved ? Haryana is progressing faster being nearer to Hub of Delhi. We isolated ourselves. We did not educate india through media about our contribution. We could not even stop Sikh jokes. We have failed miserably. No Hindu is responsible. They would try to take us down. It is survival of fittest among the Kaums. We have not been upto the fitness level. By using Words like "Gangu" "Bahmanvaadi" "Khalistan Homeland", we are hiding our own failures. Dont we gangus within ourselves ? Why dont you talk about those ? THERE IS NO DANGER OF NON-SIKH HIDDEN AGENDAS TO OUR KAUM, THE DANGER IS WITHIN. THE FANATIC AND SEPARATIST VIEWS, ONCE THEY STRETCH THE IDEAS OF THE YOUTH, IT WONT RECOIL. We dont want to land up as another Pakistan. There too Mailks and Zamindars have taken over and exploiting. Nations based on such theory cannot survive, they build only frankensteins as has Pakistan. We have given our blood and sweat to this nation and we must fight staying within to claim our right. Again, who took it from us and who would give it ?

You said "Sabotage by majority Non-Sikhs to Sikhs". Badals, in case of Sirsa, What are they doing? Are they non-Sikh ? They are giving him security. No proper invetigation. Sir, I believe, This is Powerful vs Powerless, not Non-Sikhs Vs Sikhs. What has Panthic Sarkar(Akali) done in their tenure to solve the issue ? Would this be any better in KHALISTAN ? This is Power hunger. 1978 took place when Badal was CM. Non-Sikhs hurting Sikhs is ******** being preached to us. No youth is likely to admit this. we have educated and aware youth in our Punjab, contributing to the country in their way. Same is the Non-Sikh youth. They have unprejudiced, scientific approach towards the matter and they ask questions. There is huge paradox in the approach of sikh leaders and thus sikh youth have sidelined. Amritdharis(Not all) sitting in management in Darbar sahib are emerging out to be bahmanvaadis. They are no more Sevadaars.

Bhull Chukk Maaf.

Dilgeer Singh veer I used "Bhain" because the symbol showing next to your name means a female (the pink Symbol below..

dilgeer

For men it is like below the blue circle with arrow,

Gyani Jarnail Singh



In terms of your post I have couple of comments,Of course I see that. Now let us look at number. There are probably 300 million people who have given bribery to someone during the course of their lives. Yo get ahead in the line, get a job, get a license, apply anywhere, and basically doing everything. I know I had to to do it many times in India.

There is an equal class of people in 100-300 million who are the takers of bribes/corrupt money.

Now a law passed by central Government would do what? Isn't there already law against corruption?

How would this system ever right itself. I believe the massive violence rule of truthful and dedicated is the only way. People are not scared of fines or jails.

Now look at Anan Hazare. Perhaps a great man. He is old. He passes away, who will run this campaign? There is no depth.

Seeing all that I made the comments I did.

I agree with you and I have posted so in other threads.

Attack on Golden Temple was to kill Sikh psyche once and for all. Golden Temple complex is few City blocks. Million plus army cannot keep it circcled to get people out? Give me a break. You have bought the line of the then Government and their propaganda. It is no one's business what goes on in the Golden Temple other than the Sikhs.

Again I agree and I have commented so as needed.
I totally disagree as you need to know check the history of some of the deras and sects sponsored by the Governments over the years and many decades.

I do not believe the new generation to be stupid and I believe they can think wisely and the future of Sikhism is in their hands.

If you read my comments I am not a fan of lot of the people that you also don't like. That is why Akali and Congress have been included in the two eparate piles of mess in my post.

I agree.

Do you still believe I am a fanatic

Sat Sri Akal.