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Patit Pavit Finds A Turban, SGPC Finds Saviour In Him
Pavit Mattewal's role in Sikh hair case was under a dark cloud but SGPC holds function to honor the Mattewals, wants quom to be grateful to Mattewals
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FATEHGARH SAHIB: In a shocking development, the SGPC led by Avtar Singh Makkar dropped all pretences and actually honored Pavit Mattewal, son of Punjab Advocate General H.S.Mattewal, for ostensibly "winning" the case in Punjab and Haryana High Court by "advocating" the Sikh interests forcefully even though the factual position was that neither Pavit was a counsel for the SGPC nor was his line of argumentation really in favour of the SGPC's stance.

In fact, Pavit Mattewal got himself impleaded in the case through a private application and his role had come in for strong criticism. All through the hearing of the case, Pavit Mattewal was himself clean-shaven, he has himself never earlier sported long hair, did not wear a turban and never used 'Singh' in his name. Then, it is a wonder how he is being credited with winning the case for the SGPC!

But in blatant remarks, Makkar said the entire Sikh Panth should be proud of Pavit Mattewal and "Jinna vee maan kariye, thorra hai."

The SGPC specially convened a huge function to honour the Mattewals at the auditorium of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur Engineering College in Fatehgarh Sahib where Makkar said Mattewal argued the case "with determination" and it was an example of the inner strength of a Sikh. He also praised AG Hardev Singh Mattewal saying it was due to his efforts that Sikhs have gotten the status of a minority community.

Mattwals were also praised for guarding the interests of SGPC's properties. Former president of the SGPC, Kirpal Singh Badungar, said he hoped that Pavit Singh Mattewal will do sewa of the Panth just like his father Hardev Singh Mattewal. Among others who praised the Mattewals were Akali Dal general secretary Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa, Randhir Singh Cheema, Kuldip Singh Wadala, Didar Singh Bhatti and Satwinder Kaur Dhaliwal.
Many were surprised to see Pavit sporting a turban and a beard, since he has all these years been seen as a clean shaven patit Sikh. In fact, a recent cover of a sister publication of India Today magazine had featured him on the front page, a copy that Pavit proudly keeps on his table.


Many were surprised to see Pavit sporting a turban and a beard, since he has all these years been seen as a clean shaven patit Sikh. In fact, a recent cover of a sister publication of India Today magazine had featured him on the front page, a copy that Pavit proudly keeps on his table.

Experts said the SGPC's move to honour him was rather strange, given the fact that in the High Court, he had propounded an extremely dangerous argument claiming the first Sikh nine gurus did not believe in having unshorn hair and laid no such injunction and thus while keeping hair was a desirable thing, it was not essential for a Sikh.

Even as the high court bench comprising two Sikh and one Hindu judge dealt with the quintessential query about relationship of unshorn hair to being a Sikh, Pavit was seen as part of the attempts to present a lot of liberal interpretation of the religion’s tenets. A bid by the SGPC to do so earlier was reversed after much protests by the Sikh intellectuals and the SGPC had to eat humble pie and withdraw a controversial affidavit in the high court.

Pavit has presented a 32-page synopsis on "Significance of unshorn hair in Sikhism" which he had claimed was prepared according to instructions of Giani Harinder Pal Singh, a Sikh cleric, who had during previous hearings had touched an emotional chord by asserting that "those who don’t want to stay with Sikhism are free to leave, but once they leave, they shouldn’t claim to be a Sikh and crave for a place in the religion." Pavit Mattewal even tried to negate the concept of Patit and said the term implied fall from grace and was never used by Gurus, but by a scholar and that too in reference to some women.
Pavit, by arguing that the Gurus never ostracized a disciple who was unable to learn or who was slow to learn, had tried to claim that if a Sikh did not keep unshorn hair, he does not stop being a Sikh. His claims that he had consulted a scholar were blasted by the same scholar.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/27172-patit-pavit-finds-turban-sgpc-finds.html


"Everybody is a Patit till he becomes Khalsa or pure. Perfect Sikh is Khalsa. Tenets cannot be confused with goal and the final goal is union with God, to become Khalsa, to become Guru’s image,’’ Pavit had claimed and wondered whether any reasonable differentiation could be drawn between a Sikh and a non-Sikh on the basis of keeping or non-keeping of unshorn hair.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27172

Mattewal submitted that as far as the issue of unshorn hair was concerned, “there is a degree of desirability, bordering on essentiality, to keep long hair and that there is no compulsion or express code of conduct for maintaining the same as far as the first nine Gurus are concerned”.

Pavit, by arguing that the Gurus never ostracized a disciple who was unable to learn or who was slow to learn, tried to claim that if a Sikh did not keep unshorn hair, he does not stop being a Sikh.

M S Rahi, now deceased, had termed assertions made by counsel Pavit Mattewal before the Bench on October 22, 2008, as fraught with danger for Sikhism in so far as its distinct identity was concerned, besides pushing its followers towards assimilation with other communities.

Experts said the latest move was a clear attempt by the Mattewals to project Pavit for a larger role and to ensure that the legacy of the elder Mattewal passes on to the younger one. Mattewals’ affiliations with the Radha Soami cult are well known.








 
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Re: Patit Pavit Finds A Turban, SGPC Finds Saviour In Him

Lots of such Patits are just looking for a Lame excuse....he he eh..to wear a dastaar/beard !! they just need someone to "honour" them...one i know began to keep kesh/wear dastaar after i "honoured" him by allowing him to do chaur sewa....so i knew that his earlier "clean shaven look" was just a Lame excuse...all he wnated was some recognition...maybe we ought to do that more often...
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Re: Patit Pavit Finds A Turban, SGPC Finds Saviour In Him

Gyani ji

In the corporate sector they say, reward what you want and you will get what you want. I don't know what this has to do with the decision to keep kesh/dastar. But apparently it works for some individuals. In a way it brings almost a childlike innocence/poignancy to the discussion. In the end he kept kesh and dastar. That is a good ending. Even if the path to the ending was something of a tangent.

Now as for the SGPC the mystery continues. What are they rewarding and what do they want?
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Re: Patit Pavit Finds A Turban, SGPC Finds Saviour In Him

About a week back Paramjit Singh Sarna, President Delhi Sikh Gurudwara management Committee (DSGMC) was on Chardikalan channel discussing the same case. He claimed that had it not been for the spirited intervention in the case by DSGMC, the case would have been lost.

He also claimed that there were bursts of laughter in the court when Pavit Mattewal was presenting his arguments and said that "there is no compulsion or express code of conduct to maintain unshorn hair". It must be seen in the context that SGPC was the principal defendant in the case which was filed against SGPC's contention that only Keshdharis can be considered as Sikhs!
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The name of Sikh cleric is Giani Harinder Singh( not Harinder Pal Singh) of Thiland who dictated the fine points on role of Keshas in Sikhism to this advocate who was only supposed to submit an English translation of clerics views to the court for their refernce. But he never bothered to show his translation to the Sikh cleric and have his approval but submitted directly to the court. This was found to have lot of discrepencies as the advocate was never conversed with the origional texts from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and their true meanings. There were some embrassing moments when he failed to elborate on certain aspects of Sikhi.
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As usual SGPC on directions from Badal/RSS has organised this event and honoured a truly PATIT SIKH.
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He is referred to as a patit..but actually he is a Radhasoami...and it was Malafide intnetions on part of the SGPC and Badal..they actually wanted to "lose" the case and thus cause untold harm to the Panth/Sikhi..unfortunatley they failed...so they "honour" a Radhasoami and a patit at that....what else is missing...the enemy is within the walls !! and the earlier Sikhs relasie it...the better it will be...
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He is referred to as a patit..but actually he is a Radhasoami...and it was Malafide intnetions on part of the SGPC and Badal..they actually wanted to "lose" the case and thus cause untold harm to the Panth/Sikhi..unfortunatley they failed...so they "honour" a Radhasoami and a patit at that....what else is missing...the enemy is within the walls !! and the earlier Sikhs relasie it...the better it will be...
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Its not at all this advocates wisdom but because of the learned judges this verdict has come. They knew what Guru Nanak Sahib and other Gurus have stressed upon. They knew it is Keshas , which are the first binding on the we Sikhs, is to be maintained as such ( as sent by the Almighty since the time of birth & as directed by Guru Sahibs).

Sarnas or SGPC or this advocate has nothing to do with this verdict. The reverned judges knew the truth from the start that they can confirm a Sikh on first instance only by his facial identity (of having a full fledge natural beard and the unshorn Keshas on the head) and which has been desired and explained in the Gurbani by the Guru sahib themselves.
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