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Uch da Peer.

There is a story about Guru Gobind Singh that he was saved by Muslims by dressing his as their Peer. I believe that this story is wrong. It never happened. It can not happen.
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Who ever made the story never seen any Peer. It was just to glorify the Guru.
If any one can see the Peer even now days. Peer Have beard but no mustache. How then Guru was passed as Peer. All the Muslim knows Peer must shave his mustache.
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Re: Uch Da Peer

here is an image of a peer with moustaches and untrimmed beard

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Re: Uch Da Peer

From the drawings of Bulleh Shah. He had a beard and a moustache. Beard but no moustache is the sign of a Mullah not a Pir as far as I know.
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if outer symbols made a person, world would have been a different place
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here is an image of a peer with moustaches and untrimmed beard

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The point is well taken. I apologies for the question.
Here is the second part of the question. The Guru and the 5 beloved pretended to be Muslim. They must have taken the 2k’s off then. The kirpan and Kara. The most visible ones.
Is it ok to pretend to be of other religion for just cause? Only the person who is pretending can know what is the just cause is.
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seeker3K ji

Forgive my ignorance on this point. Were the 5 k's given at the first amrit? Can you guide me to an authoritative reference on this? Much appreciated because it is again one of those points that converges with what Guru Gobind Singh did historically and wht may have been added. I am uncertain on this point.
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Read my question on uch da pir
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Read my question on uch da pir
I did read your question the first time around when you wrote it. I am asking -- Do you know of any writings where the 5 k's were given personally by Guru Gobind Singh?

You added this sentence later: Here is the second part of the question. The Guru and the 5 beloved pretended to be Muslim. They must have taken the 2k’s off then. The kirpan and Kara. The most visible ones.

My question assumes that Guru Gobind Singh may not have warn "kirpan and kara" in the way they are worn today(in other words, Guru Gobind Singh and the 5 beloved wore the kripan and kara as normal attire and for religious reasons). Every soldier had a kirpan, and many people including Hindus who are not Sikhs wear/wore a kara, and so they do today. So it may not have made any difference and he may not have had to remove anything. If you are stating indirectly that you are not aware of any authoritative writings on that subject -- then fine. I just wanted to understand you point of view.

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Do you mean that Guru Gobind Singh did not bapized the five beloved in 1699? He also took amrat from the five. That act was the foundation of democratic act. It was never done before by any one. Where Guru take amrit from chelas.
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I am sorry if I am not making it clear to you.
When Guru Gobibd Singh pretended to be uch da pir. He must have taken the kirpan and kara off? and the five beloved those were with him must aslo have taken them off too. So that they would not be recognized as sikhs. My question is: is it ok to take them off for a just cause?
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