Can One Hide A True Guru

simpy · #1 (**permalink**) 30-Mar-2007, 19:10 PM

Respected Saadh Sangat Ji,

Once again this is an effort to make all of us aware

AND THIS STEP IS TAKEN AFTER ALL THE HUMBLE REQUESTS MADE TO RESPECTED SAHIL JI WERE IGNORED BY HIM REPEADEDLY...

our respected Veer
MANYOG SAHIL MAKKAR JI IS CLAIMING TO HIDE HIS GURU'S NAME FROM ALL OF US, AND WONDERFULLY TRYING TO CONVINCE US ALL THAT He Himself and HIS GURU KNOWS BANI BETTER THAN ALL OF US(even after many humble requests made to him to not to repeat the misinterpretation of Gurbani that is being done by him again and again).

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Originally Posted by Sahil Makkar

First of all, My reason to be on this forum.. is not to tell u about my master.. thats why I have never put the name of my master n WILL NEVER PUT.. Because master can be anyone who can show u the GOD...
But reason is that .... I really feel a big woe.. when I see that NO ONE IS FOLLOWING OUR GREAT Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..

AND HE HIMSELF IS CLAIMIMG NOT TO KNOW GURMUKHI. He does not even know Siri Japji sahib!!!!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sahil Makkar

I cant understand this type of punjabi..
ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ]
hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]

and respected Sahil Ji is claiming to help us open our Tenth Gate!!!!!!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sahil Makkar

I THINK U MUST HAVE READ DIB-DRISHTI/DASAM-DWAAR(TENTHDOOR) no of times.. BUT DID U EVER THINK THAT HOW MY TENTH DOOR WILL OPEN.. AND HOW I WILL GET THE AMRIT.. I THINK NEVER..

and wonderfully thinks that it is NOT O-p-e-n(thanyou Sahil Ji for making us aware), as well as we are not even thinking of what to doooooooo......

And He Himself Whose tenth gate is open, having a problem learning a language, or translating it correctly - is it a problem, may be, , .......

And Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Gobind Singh Ji knew many many languages perfectly, Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji went around in all the four directions, and communicated with people speaking all different languages........

can a true Guru, a Brahmgyani stay hidden.....

Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji guides us this way:

AMg 607
ang 607
Page 607

soriT mhlw 4 pMcpdw ]
sorath mehulaa 4 punchupudhaa
Sorat'h, Fourth Mehl, Panch-Padas:

Acru crY qw isiD hoeI isDI qy buiD pweI ]
achur churai thaa sidh hoee sidhee thae budh paaee
If one eats the uneatable, then he becomes a Siddha, a being of perfect spirituality; through this perfection, he obtains wisdom.

pRym ky sr lwgy qn BIqir qw BRmu kwitAw jweI ]1]
praem kae sur laagae thun bheethar thaa bhrum kaattiaa jaaee
When the arrow of the Lord's Love pierces his body, then his doubt is eradicated. ||1||

myry goibd Apuny jn kau dyih vifAweI ]
maerae gobidh apunae jun ko dhaehi vaddiaaee
O my Lord of the Universe, please bless Your humble servant with glory.

gurmiq rwm nwmu prgwshu sdw rhhu srxweI ] rhwau ]
gurumath raam naam purugaasuhu sudhaa rehuhu surunaaee
Under Guru's Instructions, enlighten me with the Lord's Name, that I may dwell forever in Your Sanctuary. ||Pause||

iehu sMswru sBu Awvx jwxw mn mUrK cyiq Ajwxw ]
eihu sunsaar subh aavun jaanaa mun moorukh chaeth ajaanaa
This whole world is engrossed in coming and going; O my foolish and ignorant mind, be mindful of the Lord.

hir jIau ik®pw krhu guru mylhu qw hir nwim smwxw ]2]
har jeeo kirupaa kuruhu gur maeluhu thaa har naam sumaanaa
O Dear Lord, please, take pity upon me, and unite me with the Guru, that I may merge in the Lord's Name. ||2||

ijs kI vQu soeI pRBu jwxY ijs no dyie su pwey ] vsqu AnUp Aiq Agm Agocr guru pUrw AlKu lKwey ]3]
jis kee vuth soee prubh jaanai jis no dhaee s paaeae
Only one who has it knows God; he alone has it, to whom God has given it - so very beautiful, unapproachable and unfathomable. Through the Perfect Guru, the unknowable is known. ||3||

ijin ieh cwKI soeI jwxY gUMgy kI imiTAweI ]
jin eih chaakhee soee jaanai goongae kee mithiaaee
Only one who tastes it knows it, like the mute, who tastes the sweet candy, but cannot speak of it.

rqnu lukwieAw lUkY nwhI jy ko rKY lukweI ]4]
ruthun lukaaeiaa lookai naahee jae ko rukhai lukaaee
The jewel is concealed, but it is not concealed, even though one may try to conceal it. ||4||

sBu ikCu qyrw qU AMqrjwmI qU sBnw kw pRBu soeI ]
subh kish thaeraa thoo anthurujaamee thoo subhunaa kaa prubh soee
Everything is Yours, O Inner-knower, Searcher of hearts; You are the Lord God of all.

ijs no dwiq krih so pwey jn nwnk Avru n koeI ]5]9]
jis no dhaath kurehi so paaeae jun naanuk avur n koee
He alone receives the gift, unto whom You give it; O servant Nanak, there is no one else. ||5||9||

Again, ALL THIS IS DONE TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE......Choice is yours

forgive me please
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sahilmakkar1983 · #2 (**permalink**) 31-Mar-2007, 18:39 PM

SWGJKK, SWGJKF

I am saying that i cant understand the scripts, and this is not so that after realisation u will able to do the material things,
kabir ji, such a perfect master was illeterate,
This braham gyan is not to do something with languages, there are no of saints like kabir and many more who could'nt even read a single language,
So my dear sister, rather then to divert any topic, u please give me the scripts that are easy to understand. Give it Punjabi or English, hindi, but not scripts like this, So dear please come on point,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/15213-can-one-hide-a-true-guru.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15213
Dont be too aggressive, I cn understand.. this happens, but cool down
Vaheguru ji tvannu shanti bakshan ge.

GuruFateh

sahilmakkar1983 · #3 (**permalink**) 31-Mar-2007, 18:55 PM

GuruFateh

And ya sister I have not written for japji sahib,

ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ]
hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]
Offcourse m able to understand these lines, but not all these types of scripts that u put.. so atleast put page no with that..

sade ghar vich daily jap ji sahab da path honda he..
I just tried to indicate that, these types of scripts i cant understand
I can understand those lines that u quoted, but not all , thats why i didnt reply to ur quotes,
if u write page no, then i will surely reply..
but sister please tell me the meaning of lines that i put..
for Dasam dwar..

I never say that I know gurubani better than u, But i always say u to explain to me,
so that a communication can happen..
because see in other thread, if I was not correct I have openly said sorry for that..
but tell me others too..
Tell me defination of SIKH too..
My guru's name u will soon come to know.. par pehle gurubani to te pata chale ki, ki akhir gurubani sanu kede guru baare samjhana chahndi he..
pehle tvannu gurubani vich e kithe likhya he, ki living guru di lod he, eh te samjh lag je,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15213
(haje tak te tusi eh gal te mande hi nahi ki, living guru vi chahi da he, hor tusi eh vi nahi dasya ki eh kithe likhya he ki living guru nahi karna.. gurubani vich)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15213
fer tvannu apne guru baare vi dasa ge, lekin ta vi ehio kava ge, ki tusi kithe vi ja ke labh lo, kithe vi eho jaya guru mile te kar lo..
JEDA vikha de, GALA de khyali halve na khalave, DIKHAVE jide naal sadi bukh mite

Thanks
GuruFateh

simpy · #4 (**permalink**) 31-Mar-2007, 19:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sahilmakkar1983

GuruFateh

And ya sister I have not written for japji sahib,

ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ]
hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]
Offcourse m able to understand these lines, but not all these types of scripts that u put.. so atleast put page no with that..

sade ghar vich daily jap ji sahab da path honda he..
I just tried to indicate that, these types of scripts i cant understand
I can understand those lines that u quoted, but not all , thats why i didnt reply to ur quotes,
if u write page no, then i will surely reply..
but sister please tell me the meaning of lines that i put..
for Dasam dwar..

I never say that I know gurubani better than u, But i always say u to explain to me,
so that a communication can happen..
because see in other thread, if I was not correct I have openly said sorry for that..
but tell me others too..
Tell me defination of SIKH too..
My guru's name u will soon come to know.. par pehle gurubani to te pata chale ki, ki akhir gurubani sanu kede guru baare samjhana chahndi he..
pehle tvannu gurubani vich e kithe likhya he, ki living guru di lod he, eh te samjh lag je,
(haje tak te tusi eh gal te mande hi nahi ki, living guru vi chahi da he, hor tusi eh vi nahi dasya ki eh kithe likhya he ki living guru nahi karna.. gurubani vich)
fer tvannu apne guru baare vi dasa ge, lekin ta vi ehio kava ge, ki tusi kithe vi ja ke labh lo, kithe vi eho jaya guru mile te kar lo..
JEDA vikha de, GALA de khyali halve na khalave, DIKHAVE jide naal sadi bukh mite

Thanks
GuruFateh

Respected Sahil Ji,

I HAVE MY GURU -DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY DESIRE TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR GURU. YOU CAN PLAY GAME OF HIDE AND SEEK FOR EVER, DOES NOT EFFECT ME.

I AM DOING THIS THREAD TO MAKE OTHERS AWARE WHO MAY FIND THIS PLAY YOU ARE TRYING TO PRESENT, TEMPTING AND MAY GO ASTRAY.

STILL CHOICE IS THEIRS.

ONE CAN ONLY MAKE OTHERS AWARE.

AS FAR AS I KNOW A PERSON WHO WANTS/LIKES TO TEACH OTHERS GURBANI MUST BE VERY WELL AWARE OF GURMUKHI, BECAUSE ONE CANNOT TEACH OTHERS UNLESS ONE KNOWS WHAT HE/SHE IS TEACHING.

YOU YOURSELF HAS AGREED ON IT THAT YOU DO NOT.

forgive me please

Narayanjot Kaur · #5 (**permalink**) 01-Apr-2007, 00:39 AM

Surinder ji
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15213

Your choice of scripture, one of the best of the hukams as well, is the perfect lesson for those of us who do not know enough to be part of this debate but do wish to understand the heart of gurbani. This says it all.

Respectfully

simpy · #6 (**permalink**) 01-Apr-2007, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sahilmakkar1983

SWGJKK, SWGJKF

I am saying that i cant understand the scripts, and this is not so that after realisation u will able to do the material things,
kabir ji, such a perfect master was illeterate,
This braham gyan is not to do something with languages, there are no of saints like kabir and many more who could'nt even read a single language,
So my dear sister, rather then to divert any topic, u please give me the scripts that are easy to understand. Give it Punjabi or English, hindi, but not scripts like this, So dear please come on point,
Dont be too aggressive, I cn understand.. this happens, but cool down
Vaheguru ji tvannu shanti bakshan ge.

GuruFateh

GURMUKHS HAVE TO LEARN GURMUKHI
OUR GURU SAHIBAAN HAVE MADE THIS CLEAR BY USING THE SAME SCRIPT

ANOTHER POINTS TO BE NOTED-
IF LANGUAGE HAS NOTHING TO DO, WHY ARE YOU EVEN USING A LANGUAGE TO PROVE YOUR POINT- AREN'T YOU ALSO USING SOME HUMAN LANGUAGE TO COMMUNICATE. YOU ARE EVEN TRYING TO PROVE YOUR POINT BY USING THOSE LANGUAGES YOU DON"T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IS WRITTEN.

TO UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY ANYTHING WRITTEN IN FRENCH, WE NEED TO KNOW THE LANGUAGE 'FRENCH' VERY THOROUGHLY. TRANSLATIONS OF ANY LANGUAGE CANNOT DO JUSTICE TO ANY LANGUAGE. LANGUAGE IS NOT JUST A FORM OF EMPTY COMMUNICATION; IT BRINGS WITH IT THE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT CULTURE AND PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS AND MORE AS WELL.

forgive me please

simpy · #7 (**permalink**) 01-Apr-2007, 19:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aad0002

Surinder ji

Your choice of scripture, one of the best of the hukams as well, is the perfect lesson for those of us who do not know enough to be part of this debate but do wish to understand the heart of gurbani. This says it all.

Respectfully

Respected aad0002 Ji,

how i look at it, all of us should be a part of this; as Sahil Ji has challenged that TRUTH we all respect and some of us are trying to live or are living.

And it does take time to understand the heart of Gurbani, And we cannot reach their until every word is grasped truthfully. This is ETERNAL PURE TRUTH, MIND HAS TO BECOME PURE TO HAVE IT PENETRATE WITHIN.

forgive me please

Harjas Kaur Khalsa · #8 (**permalink**) 01-Apr-2007, 20:01 PM

I am sooooooo confused who is believing in what and going around with name of Sikh. First one says believes in Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but quoting Ganesh. Another is quoting Adi Granth as Naamdhari. Another has a nameless hidden guru. Can you imagine how poor ordinary Sikh must feel trying to figure out what is good and right>? One can be quoting clearest and fluent Gurbani, and be highly knowledgeable of deep spiritual things, and then hiding in the middle of it is something weird to Sikhi. I wish all people would just come out and say where they are coming from.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15213
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15213

I don't think a satguru can hide. But people can definitely distort Sikh religion.

simpy · #9 (**permalink**) 01-Apr-2007, 20:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harjas Kaur Khalsa

I am sooooooo confused who is believing in what and going around with name of Sikh. First one says believes in Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but quoting Ganesh. Another is quoting Adi Granth as Naamdhari. Another has a nameless hidden guru. Can you imagine how poor ordinary Sikh must feel trying to figure out what is good and right>? One can be quoting clearest and fluent Gurbani, and be highly knowledgeable of deep spiritual things, and then hiding in the middle of it is something weird to Sikhi. I wish all people would just come out and say where they are coming from.

I don't think a satguru can hide. But people can definitely distort Sikh religion.

Respected Harjas Ji,

Who is quoting Ganesh????

I saw you supporting Hindi yesterday and sachchasoda ji had to point that out to you. what was that about-Use of Hindi by a person who is all against Hinditav and all that????

And to my surprise it is still appearing in English- so promonoting English by presenting Sacred Gurbani in a Language of those People who ruled over other humans for centuries..........

forgive me please