Question About Being Saved

i have started reading the Sri Guru Granth Sahib and i would like to clarify something . i am aware that once somebody is saved , they and their family , descendants and ancestors , also become saved . but does that apply to non-blood related members ?
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Deep ji
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what do you mean by saved?

Sinister ji

A Christian video cannot be posted in the gurmat vichaar section of this Sikh forum. I have moved your response to the interfaith dialogs under the title, What does it mean to be saved?
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The question by thread starter deep ji was very clearly about the meaning of "saved" in the context of Guruji's Shabads. Let's keep the discussion on that unambiguous path. If anyone needs an explanation of the meaning of "gurmat vichaar" please send me a private message.

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Thank you: Narayanjot Kaur

hmm .. well i guess i wasnt clear enough . saved meaning becoming one with God .

( Page 101 )
ਮਾਝ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
माझ महला ५ ॥
Mājẖ mėhlā 5.
Maajh, Fifth Mehl:

ਨਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਰਿਧਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਮੇਰੈ ॥
निधि सिधि रिधि हरि हरि हरि मेरै ॥
Niḏẖ siḏẖ riḏẖ har har har merai.
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My Lord, Har, Har, Har, is the nine treasures, the supernatural spiritual powers of the Siddhas, wealth and prosperity.

ਜਨਮੁ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਗਹਿਰ ਗੰਭੀਰੈ ॥
जनमु पदारथु गहिर ग्मभीरै ॥
Janam paḏārath gahir gambẖīrai.
He is the Deep and Profound Treasure of Life.

ਲਾਖ ਕੋਟ ਖੁਸੀਆ ਰੰਗ ਰਾਵੈ ਜੋ ਗੁਰ ਲਾਗਾ ਪਾਈ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥
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लाख कोट खुसीआ रंग रावै जो गुर लागा पाई जीउ ॥१॥
Lākẖ kot kẖusī▫ā rang rāvai jo gur lāgā pā▫ī jī▫o. ||1||
Hundreds of thousands, even millions of pleasures and delights are enjoyed by one who falls at the Guru's Feet. ||1||

ਦਰਸਨੁ ਪੇਖਤ ਭਏ ਪੁਨੀਤਾ ॥
दरसनु पेखत भए पुनीता ॥
Ḏarsan pekẖaṯ bẖa▫e punīṯā.
Gazing upon the Blessed Vision of His Darshan, all are sanctified,

ਸਗਲ ਉਧਾਰੇ ਭਾਈ ਮੀਤਾ ॥
सगल उधारे भाई मीता ॥
Sagal uḏẖāre bẖā▫ī mīṯā.
and all family and friends are saved.

imho..the Bhai, Meeta etc are not "friends and families and blood relations.."..these are the SOUL MATES..the SANGAT that enjoys Naam japp together...the "family of beleivers" in Gurmatt that TOIL together to Go the way of Gurmatt.
Gurbani is amply clear in too many places that NO ONE...repeat NO ONE...is helped except the ONE WHO HELPS HIMSELF. What will FOLLOW us to the "other side" are the Naam japp, Good deeds, good karams, the Dya that we showed, the Compassion that we cultivated, honesty, truthful living of Gurmatt that we practised... NOT our Jaat, high birth, family connections, honours bestowed by Kings and Presidents, siropas given by SGPC presidents of Takhat jathedars !!! ALL THOSE will be left BEHIND...burned in the Cremation Ground..or left hanging behind our bedroom doors !! The ONLY THING that will accompany US in His Dargah Darbar..will be NAAM that we LIVED.
IN Gurmatt/Sikhi there is NO CONCEPT..of.."be baptised..and you are Saved..Accept Jesus in your heart..and you are Saved..become Amrtidharee..and you are Saved...Say the Kalma and you are Saved....NO SUCH THING. In Gurmatt/Sikhi..its YOUR LIVING the TRUTHFUL LIVING that COUNTS...and No one can do that for you or on your behalf.
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IN Gurmatt we DONT aspire to be "saved"..or go to "heaven..or..anything like that..we look forard to being JEEWAN MUKT..FREE of Frra of Death while ALIVE..free of all FEARS...in LOVE with the Creator..and to MERGE with HIM...be like Him...follow His Laws..Will..hukm...to the exclusion of everything else...

Salvation is part of the religions that believe in Hell and Heaven.Hell and Heaven are in those dogmatic religions where punishment and vengeance are part and parcel of the doctrines.
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Salvation is only needed where love is missing. It is sad to notice that this dogmatic god wants his followers to be sinners, hence in trouble so he the only one could save them.Nice self-fulfilling prophecy for the blind ignorant.

Sikhi is not about salvation because it is based on love. Our 10th Guru put it beautifully:

Jin Prem keeoh, tinh he PRABH payeio.

" Love is the only connection between oneself and THE ONE- IK ONG KAAR."

Tejwant Singh

im sorry , all of you have seemed to confuse me more than i had already been .

deep ji

The problem that you are encountering comes from the translation of the word "udhare."

Let's take that one line from the shabad apart.

ਸਗਲ ਉਧਾਰੇ ਭਾਈ ਮੀਤਾ ॥
Sagal uḏẖāre bẖā▫ī mīṯā.
and all family and friends are saved.

• Sagal = all
• bhai = brother/s or your brethren, your kinfolk, your family
• mita = those who are connected to you in a close way, your friends and associates (could be your sangat, those who share devotion with you)
• udhare = means "saved" but it also means redeemed, liberated, discharged and rescued.

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The translator chose to translate "udhare" using the word "saved" but "saved" in that line implies the other meanings I have listed. I like the word rescued.

Let's put the line back together again.

The person who gains darshan (the Blessed Vision) of the satguru, is rescued
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Sagal uḏẖāre bẖā▫ī mīṯā. meaning and rescued are all his brethren (kin, family) and all of those connected to him (friends, sangat).

Rescued from what? Further in the shabad comes the answer.

ਅਨਦੁ ਭਇਆ ਨਿਕਸੀ ਸਭ ਪੀਰਾ ਸਗਲ ਬਿਨਾਸੇ ਦਰਦਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥
anadh bhaeiaa nikasee sabh peeraa sagal binaasae dharadhaa jeeo ||2||
I am filled with bliss, and all my pains have been taken away. All my suffering has been dispelled. ||2||

ਜਿਸ ਕਾ ਅੰਗੁ ਕਰੇ ਮੇਰਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ॥ਸੋ ਮੁਕਤਾ ਸਾਗਰ ਸੰਸਾਰਾ ॥
jis kaa ang karae maeraa piaaraa || so mukathaa saagar sansaaraa ||
One who has my Beloved on his side, is liberated from the world-ocean.

ਸਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਜਿਨਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਪਛਾਤਾ ਸੋ ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਡਰਦਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥
sath karae jin guroo pashhaathaa so kaahae ko ddaradhaa jeeo ||3||
One who recognizes the Guru practices Truth; why should he be afraid? ||3||

ਜਬ ਤੇ ਸਾਧੂ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਪਾਏ ॥ਗੁਰ ਭੇਟਤ ਹਉ ਗਈ ਬਲਾਏ ॥
jab thae saadhhoo sangath paaeae || gur bhaettath ho gee balaaeae ||
Since I found the Company of the Holy and met the Guru, the demon of pride has departed.

ਸਾਸਿ ਸਾਸਿ ਹਰਿ ਗਾਵੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਢਾਕਿ ਲੀਆ ਮੇਰਾ ਪੜਦਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੪॥੧੭॥੨੪॥
saas saas har gaavai naanak sathigur dtaak leeaa maeraa parradhaa jeeo ||4||17||24||
All will be rescued from the pain and suffering of existence, from pride, from fear of the world ocean.

When you read a shabad you have to think of how every several lines will build upon the theme that unifies the entire shabad. In the case of this shabad, all of page 101 continues the theme of how to find bliss by being rescued from the false pride that keeps us trapped in the pain that comes from the world ocean.

Hope this helps a little bit.

Narayanjot ji,

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Guru Fateh.

Wonderfully explained.

Thanks for the great way of putting it.

Tejwant Singh