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I have come across this site which states that homosexuality is perfectly admissible in Sikhism . I always had this impression that Sikhism is the religion of the householder , if it is so how come homosexuality is allowed because homosexuals cannot raise a family & bear children . Secondly there is a concept of RAAJ YOGA in Sikhism , what is this concept exactly . If it is some form of Yogic activity how come it is allowed while other Yogic activities have been denounced in Sikhism . The site is :
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re: Two Questions about Sikhism: Place of Raaj Yoga? Place of Homosexuality?

Homosexuality is a counterproductive reaction against the onslaught of woman upon mankind by feminism. It is merely a symptom of an unbalanced and diseased society in urgent need of guidance. We cannot focus healthy, pure enlightened minds upon the debauchery of angry souls. God’s house of religion is under threat by such wilful contingent of social misfits usurping and pillaging the rights of the good to voice the demands and illicit contentions of the rebellious. Gay men are modest and retain as their personal and private life their leanings and inclinations. For a wholesome and godward society to be led by a filth ridden media to discussing the failure and inability to lose ego of social deviants and the results of their anti social angry meanderings, it is grossly unfair upon the cultured, civilised and silent greater good. It is time for a broken and fractured civilised respectability to break the silence and refuse such immoral discussions and pursuits in the sanctum of truth seekers and devotee’s of the God of Love, Virtue and Honour. Let the media deal with its subversives and their penchant for a sodom and gomorrohite perversity, and protect religion and the house of God from invasion and siege of such types. Should they wish to enter religion and church they are required to shed their selfish needs and conform or remain as media amusement fodder and the subject of curious speculation by the idle and equally perverse ...
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re: Two Questions about Sikhism: Place of Raaj Yoga? Place of Homosexuality?

Ji,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23735
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There is a difference between approving of something and holding back judgment. There is nothing specifically against homosexuality in the Bani of the Guru. The Gurus had raised their consciousness above and beyond -- their warning is against "kaam" of any kind. For each and everyone the promise of mukhti is ever-present. And never is there hatred or animosity as the Gurus were imbued with God's love for his creation.

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re: Two Questions about Sikhism: Place of Raaj Yoga? Place of Homosexuality?

Raaj yoga is one of several forms of yoga practiced alone or in conjunction with other yogas. My own understanding is that it has appeal within the Hindu path, but it is not practiced exclusively by Hindus. Here is a good link getting to the philosophical nature of raaj yoga.
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Please see Shiv Singh Khalsa's correction on the next page.
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re: Two Questions about Sikhism: Place of Raaj Yoga? Place of Homosexuality?

The sickness of homosexuality arises from two situations: a predisposition based on female stress and poor diet during the 16th week of pregnancy & human choice based on psychosexual identity arising from cultural sickness; i.e. single parent families, births out of wedlock, divorce, etc. If a pregnant woman does not have proper nutrition during pregnancy, her male child may be born with female characteristics because all fetuses up to a certain time express female gender characteristics. During the 16th week of pregnancy, the female connections of a male baby's brain are dissolved by a rush of testosterone in the male and thereafter he expresses male characteristics. Children from these parents may be left handed rather than right, when they arive at puberty their voices may be higher pitched, etc. In any case, the other situation is where a female has a sexual encounter and remains a single female parent raising her family alone. The boy baby identifies with female qualities during his puberty and makes female choices rather than male, thereby becoming homosexual. This may be a bit over simplistic. But western society is fraught with divorce and licentiousness which engenders these kinds of social and cultural diseases. Homosexuals should be treated as human beings who God loves and desires to heal and restore to their normal humanity.
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re: Two Questions about Sikhism: Place of Raaj Yoga? Place of Homosexuality?

The constant bleating of the perils of judgmentalism stems from a breed of social deviants reluctant to admit their own deficiency or erring and demanding the right of speech and contrary socially unacceptable opinion within the established sanctum of the wise and respectable. Inter racial marriages, divorce, and promiscuity and the resultant outcry for public sanction by these groups exonerates the role of modern day women play in these acts. Homosexuals who hate women were raised by domineering women who look the other way whilst they were abused or neglected. 99% of divorces are caused by a predatory woman leading astray a man from his family and home. Love and bonding between men is to be encouraged but the modern day counterproductive disease and demands of feminists and their victims the homosexuals require remedy. This cannot be executed whilst hypocritical sympathisers of feminists and homosexuals encourage and accord rights rather than remedy and cure. It is tragic how good moral and devoted wives amend mothers are abandoned to raise children whilst philanderers indulge their whims and muses. Since the media and society is plagued by this selfish creed who betray the father, and family’s honour to indulge their own whim and lustfulness, counter war cry’s from such parties are inevitable. The root cause of all social decay is the so called emancipation and liberation of feminists who have wrecked the institution of matrimony, the sacred name of love in whose name their commit their adulteries and treacheries against man and civilised society. So many good women strung up, and their offspring broken and with abandonment issues because of the perversities of modern stray unfettered women. The entire family structure, and house of religion is under threat by escalating divorce, selfish egotism, inter racial cross breeding resulting in displaced and confused children, it is true.
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It would appear all is permissible, discrediting of standing and values, the discipline of religious fundamentals, the dismantling of blasphemy laws to indulge and pander to a breed of irreligious malcontents. To abuse God and religion is par for the course as atheism rises, smashing all social traditions and culturalism is permissible, idiocracy sitting in criticism of spiritual wisdom they have no understanding is encouraged in the name of free speech, excepting calling these malcontents what they are, a social disease, that bodes no allay considering the government and media are infiltrated and ruled by them. The laughable insinuations that genetic misprint in the womb causes such behaviour adds to the weight of evidence against such speculators of societal good masquerading as truth seekers or the religious do gooders. Shed your own personal ego prior to entering the establishment of religion rather than expecting religion to submit to your idiosyncrasies is the moral value to be learnt.
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ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਿਸਾਰਿਆ ਦੂਜੀ ਕਾਰੈ ਲਗਿ ॥
jinee naam visaariaa dhoojee kaarai lag ||
Those who have forgotten the Naam, the Name of the Lord, are attached to affairs of duality.

ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਲਾਗੇ ਪਚਿ ਮੁਏ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ ਅਗਿ ॥
dhubidhhaa laagae pach mueae anthar thrisanaa ag ||
Attached to duality, they putrefy and die; they are filled with the fire of desire within.

ਗੁਰਿ ਰਾਖੇ ਸੇ ਉਬਰੇ ਹੋਰਿ ਮੁਠੀ ਧੰਧੈ ਠਗਿ ॥੨॥
gur raakhae sae oubarae hor muthee dhhandhhai thag ||2||
Those who are protected by the Guru are saved; all others are cheated and plundered by deceitful worldly affairs. ||2||

ਮੁਈ ਪਰੀਤਿ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਗਇਆ ਮੁਆ ਵੈਰੁ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ॥
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muee pareeth piaar gaeiaa muaa vair virodhh ||
Love dies, and affection vanishes. Hatred and alienation die.

ਧੰਧਾ ਥਕਾ ਹਉ ਮੁਈ ਮਮਤਾ ਮਾਇਆ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ॥
dhhandhhaa thhakaa ho muee mamathaa maaeiaa krodhh ||
Entanglements end, and egotism dies, along with attachment to Maya, possessiveness and anger.

ਕਰਮਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਸਚੁ ਪਾਈਐ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਦਾ ਨਿਰੋਧੁ ॥੩॥
karam milai sach paaeeai guramukh sadhaa nirodhh ||3||
Those who receive His Mercy obtain the True One. The Gurmukhs dwell forever in balanced restraint. ||3||

ਸਚੀ ਕਾਰੈ ਸਚੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਪਲੈ ਪਾਇ ॥
sachee kaarai sach milai guramath palai paae ||
By true actions, the True Lord is met, and the Guru's Teachings are found.

ਸੋ ਨਰੁ ਜੰਮੈ ਨਾ ਮਰੈ ਨਾ ਆਵੈ ਨਾ ਜਾਇ ॥
so nar janmai naa marai naa aavai naa jaae ||
Then, they are not subject to birth and death; they do not come and go in reincarnation.

ਨਾਨਕ ਦਰਿ ਪਰਧਾਨੁ ਸੋ ਦਰਗਹਿ ਪੈਧਾ ਜਾਇ ॥੪॥੧੪॥
naanak dhar paradhhaan so dharagehi paidhhaa jaae ||4||14||
O Nanak, they are respected at the Lord's Gate; they are robed in honor in the Court of the Lord. ||4||14||
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re: Two Questions about Sikhism: Place of Raaj Yoga? Place of Homosexuality?

Back to dalbirk's question regardnig raja correciton raaj yoga. Yoga jog refers to making a connection, joining, relating to. And from this comes the idea of creating or finding harmony within. Guru Arjan Dev speaks on Ang 188 about Raja Yoga as the yoga of meditation and success -- quite apart from the traditions of physcial yogas, his idea is that one should be seeking the purity of Naam.

ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
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Gauree, Fifth Mehl:


ਪੂਰਾ ਮਾਰਗੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ॥
pooraa maarag pooraa eisanaan ||
Perfect is the path; perfect is the cleansing bath.

ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਨਾਮੁ ॥੧॥
sabh kishh pooraa hiradhai naam ||1||
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Everything is perfect, if the Naam is in the heart. ||1||


ਪੂਰੀ ਰਹੀ ਜਾ ਪੂਰੈ ਰਾਖੀ ॥
pooree rehee jaa poorai raakhee ||
One's honor remains perfect, when the Perfect Lord preserves it.

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੀ ਸਰਣਿ ਜਨ ਤਾਕੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
paarabreham kee saran jan thaakee ||1|| rehaao ||
His servant takes to the Sanctuary of the Supreme Lord God. ||1||Pause||

ਪੂਰਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ॥
pooraa sukh pooraa santhokh ||
Perfect is the peace; perfect is the contentment.

ਪੂਰਾ ਤਪੁ ਪੂਰਨ ਰਾਜੁ ਜੋਗੁ ॥੨॥
pooraa thap pooran raaj jog ||2||
Perfect is the penance; perfect is the
Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. ||2||

ਹਰਿ ਕੈ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪਤਿਤ ਪੁਨੀਤ ॥
har kai maarag pathith puneeth ||
On the Lord's Path, sinners are purified.
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ਪੂਰੀ ਸੋਭਾ ਪੂਰਾ ਲੋਕੀਕ ॥੩॥
pooree sobhaa pooraa lokeek ||3||
Perfect is their glory; perfect is their humanity. ||3||

ਕਰਣਹਾਰੁ ਸਦ ਵਸੈ ਹਦੂਰਾ ॥
karanehaar sadh vasai hadhooraa ||
They dwell forever in the Presence of the Creator Lord.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ॥੪॥੪੫॥੧੧੪॥
kahu naanak maeraa sathigur pooraa ||4||45||114||
Says Nanak, my True Guru is Perfect. ||4||45||114||

Purity of mind, heart and soul accomplished by meditation, dwelling in the Naam, in the Presence of the Creator Lord. Guru Arjun Dev's words echo those of Guru Nanak who spoke, Let purity be your yoga and by "yoga" Guru Nanak meant, Your way of joining with creation or relating to and encountering everything. Guru Nanak

ਖਿੰਥਾ ਕਾਲੁ ਕੁਆਰੀ ਕਾਇਆ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਡੰਡਾ ਪਰਤੀਤਿ ॥
khinthhaa kaal kuaaree kaaeiaa jugath ddanddaa paratheeth ||
Let the remembrance of death be the patched coat you wear, let the purity of
virginity be your way in the world, and let faith in the Lord be your walking stick.

There are problems with the English translation above; however the idea of jugath in bold font -- let jugath, your yoga, your joining, connecting, relating, be in purity. The Guru's use yoga in the sense of connecting or joining with the immaculate presence of Akaal, and from that connection our relationships with everything else can be likewise pure.
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There are several references to raja correction raaj yoga in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. In two places the Bhats (families of poet-troubadours in Northern India) refer to both Guru Ram Das and Guru Arjan Dev as masters of raja corection raaj yoga. This is found in the Savayay, or hymns of the Bhats in honor of the Sikh Gurus. Bhats were monotheistic Hindus.

I stand corrected in a following post by Shiv Singh Khalsa who correctly points out that raaj yoga is not the same as raja yoga. Thanks for clearing that up. I should have stated above "raaj" not "raja"

Link to Shabad on Page1399 Raag Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das: Nal

ਸਭ ਬਿਧਿ ਮਾਨ੍ਯ੍ਯਿਉ ਮਨੁ ਤਬ ਹੀ ਭਯਉ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਨੁ ਰਾਜੁ ਜੋਗੁ ਤਖਤੁ ਦੀਅਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ॥੪॥
sabh bidhh maaniyo man thab hee bhayo prasann raaj jog thakhath dheean gur raamadhaas ||4||
When His mind was totally satisfied in every way, when He was totally pleased, He bestowed upon Guru Raam Daas the Throne of Raja Yoga. ||4||

Link to Page 1407 Raag Sava-yay (praise of Guru Arjan Dev: Kal

ਗੁਰ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਕਲ੍ਯ੍ਯੁਚਰੈ ਤੈ ਰਾਜ ਜੋਗ ਰਸੁ ਜਾਣਿਅਉ ॥੭॥
gur arajun kalyaacharai thai raaj jog ras jaaniao ||7||
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So speaks KALL the poet: O Guru Arjun, You know the sublime essence of Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. ||7||

In praising the Sikh Gurus the Bhat NALL is extolling the transformation of self, spirit and soul, from base and worldly to precious and spiritual -- simply by contact with the spiritual perfection of Guru Ram Das. ਨਲ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਕਵਿ ਪਾਰਸ ਪਰਸ ਕਚ ਕੰਚਨਾ ਹੁਇ ਚੰਦਨਾ ਸੁਬਾਸੁ ਜਾਸੁ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਅਨ ਤਰ ॥ naly kav paaras paras kach kanchanaa hue chandhanaa subaas jaas simarath an thar || So speaks NALL the poet: touching the Philosopher's Stone, glass is transformed into gold, and the sandalwood tree imparts its fragrance to other trees; meditating in remembrance on the Lord, I am transformed.

Guru Ram Das is likened to the philosopher's stone which changes or transforms base metal into gold. Likewise through meditation of God the poet is transformed. The fragrance of sandalwood (spiritual perfection) spreads from master to NALL the student.
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Later in the Bani, the Bhat extols Guru Arjun Dev who he says carries the banner of God. ਅਗਹ ਗਹਣੁ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਭ੍ਰਾਂਤਿ ਦਹਣੁ ਸੀਤਲੁ ਸੁਖ ਦਾਤਉ ॥ ageh gehan bhram bhraanth dhehan seethal sukh dhaatho || You have grasped the Ungraspable, and burnt away doubt and skepticism. You bestow cooling and soothing peace.
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