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Literally the "Naam" means "God's Name" or "God's Identity".

Here are some viewpoints about God's identity AND you can add your views as well.

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ਪੜਿ ਪੜਿ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਜੋਤਕੀ ਵਾਦ ਕਰਹਿ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
पड़ि पड़ि पंडित जोतकी वाद करहि बीचारु ॥
Pa pa pandi jokī vā karahi bīcār.
After all their reading, the Pandits, the religious scholars, and the astrologers argue and debate.

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ਰਾਜੰ ਰੰਗੰ ਰੂਪੰ ਮਾਲੰ ਜੋਬਨੁ ਤੇ ਜੂਆਰੀ
राजं रंगं रूपं मालं जोबनु ते जूआरी ॥
Rājaʼn rangaʼn rūpaʼn mālaʼn joban ṯė jū­ārī.
In power, pleasures, beauty, wealth and youth, one gambles his life away.
ਹੁਕਮੀ ਬਾਧੇ ਪਾਸੈ ਖੇਲਹਿ ਚਉਪੜਿ ਏਕਾ ਸਾਰੀ ॥੪॥
हुकमी बाधे पासै खेलहि चउपड़ि एका सारी ॥४॥
Hukmī bāḏẖė pāsai kẖėleh cẖa­upaṛ ėkā sārī. ||4||
Bound by the Hukam of God's Command, the dice are thrown; he is just a piece in the game of chess. ||4||
ਜਗਿ ਚਤੁਰੁ ਸਿਆਣਾ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਣਾ ਨਾਉ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਪੜਹਿ ਗਾਵਾਰੀ
जगि चतुरु सिआणा भरमि भुलाणा नाउ पंडित पड़हि गावारी ॥
Jag cẖaṯur si­āṇā bẖaram bẖulāṇā nā­o pandiṯ paṛeh gāvārī.
The world is clever and wise, but it is deluded by doubt, and forgets the Name; the Pandit, the religious scholar, studies the scriptures, but he is still a fool.
ਨਾਉ ਵਿਸਾਰਹਿ ਬੇਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਹਿ ਬਿਖੁ ਭੂਲੇ ਲੇਖਾਰੀ ॥੫॥
नाउ विसारहि बेदु समालहि बिखु भूले लेखारी ॥५॥
Nā­o visāreh bėḏ samāleh bikẖ bẖūlė lėkẖārī. ||5||
Forgetting the Name, he dwells upon the Vedas; he writes, but he is confused by his poisonous corruption. ||5||
ਕਲਰ ਖੇਤੀ ਤਰਵਰ ਕੰਠੇ ਬਾਗਾ ਪਹਿਰਹਿ ਕਜਲੁ ਝਰੈ
कलर खेती तरवर कंठे बागा पहिरहि कजलु झरै ॥
Kalar kẖėṯī ṯarvar kanṯẖė bāgā pahirahi kajal jẖarai.
He is like the crop planted in the salty soil, or the tree growing on the river bank, or the white clothes sprinkled with dirt.
ਏਹੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਕੀ ਕੋਠੀ ਜੋ ਪੈਸੈ ਸੋ ਗਰਬਿ ਜਰੈ ॥੬॥
एहु संसारु तिसै की कोठी जो पैसै सो गरबि जरै ॥६॥
Ėhu sansār ṯisai kī koṯẖī jo paisai so garab jarai. ||6||
This world is the house of desire; whoever enters it, is burnt down by egotistical pride. ||6||
ਰਯਤਿ ਰਾਜੇ ਕਹਾ ਸਬਾਏ ਦੁਹੁ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਸੋ ਜਾਸੀ
रयति राजे कहा सबाए दुहु अंतरि सो जासी ॥
Ra­yaṯ rājė kahā sabā­ė ḏuhu anṯar so jāsī.
Where are all the kings and their subjects? Those who are immersed in duality are destroyed.
ਕਹਤ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਸਚੇ ਕੀ ਪਉੜੀ ਰਹਸੀ ਅਲਖੁ ਨਿਵਾਸੀ ॥੭॥੩॥੧੧॥
कहत नानकु गुर सचे की पउड़ी रहसी अलखु निवासी ॥७॥३॥११॥
Kahaṯ Nānak gur sacẖė kī pa­oṛī rahsī alakẖ nivāsī. ||7||3||11||
Says Nanak, these are the steps of the ladder, of the Teachings of the True Guru; only the Unseen Lord shall remain. ||7||3||11||




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ਜੇਤਾ ਕੀਤਾ ਤੇਤਾ ਨਾਉ ॥
जेता कीता तेता नाउ ॥

Jėṯā kīṯā ṯėṯā nā­o.
The created universe is the manifestation of Your Name.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

ਸਹਸ ਅਠਾਰਹ ਕਹਨਿ ਕਤੇਬਾ ਅਸੁਲੂ ਇਕੁ ਧਾਤੁ ॥
सहस अठारह कहनि कतेबा असुलू इकु धातु ॥

Sahas aṯẖārah kahan kaṯėbā asulū ik ḏẖāṯ.
The scriptures say that there are 18,000 worlds, but in reality, there is only One Universe.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok



ਹੈ ਭੀ ਹੋਸੀ ਜਾਇ ਨ ਜਾਸੀ ਰਚਨਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਰਚਾਈ ॥
है भी होसी जाइ न जासी रचना जिनि रचाई ॥

Hai bẖī hosī jā­ė na jāsī racẖnā jin racẖā­ī.
He is, and shall always be. He shall not depart, even when this Universe which He has created departs.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok


ਜਿਨਿ ਏਹੁ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ ਕਰਿ ਆਕਾਰੁ ॥
जिनि एहु जगतु उपाइआ त्रिभवणु करि आकारु ॥

Jin ėhu jagaṯ upā­i­ā ṯaribẖavaṇ kar ākār.
The One who formed this universe created the creation of the three worlds.
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ਖੇਹੂ ਖੇਹ ਰਲਾਈਐ ਤਾ ਜੀਉ ਕੇਹਾ ਹੋਇ ॥
खेहू खेह रलाईऐ ता जीउ केहा होइ ॥

Kẖėhū kẖėh ralā­ī­ai ṯā jī­o kėhā ho­ė.
When the body mingles with dust, what happens to the soul?
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

ਕੀ ਨ ਸੁਣੇਹੀ ਗੋਰੀਏ ਆਪਣ ਕੰਨੀ ਸੋਇ ॥
की न सुणेही गोरीए आपण कंनी सोइ ॥

Kī na suṇėhī gorī­ė āpaṇ kannī so­ė.
Haven't you heard the call from beyond, O beautiful soul-bride?
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

ਕਾਹੇ ਜੀਅ ਕਰਹਿ ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ॥
काहे जीअ करहि चतुराई ॥

Kāhė jī­a karahi cẖaṯurā­ī.
Why, O soul, do you try such clever tricks?
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

ਕਚੀ ਕੰਧ ਕਚਾ ਵਿਚਿ ਰਾਜੁ ॥
कची कंध कचा विचि राजु ॥

Kacẖī kanḏẖ kacẖā vicẖ rāj.
The wall of the body is temporary, as is the soul-mason within it.
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ਮੰਨੈ ਮਗੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਪੰਥੁ ॥
मंनै मगु न चलै पंथु ॥

Mannai mag na cẖalai panth.
The faithful do not follow empty religious rituals.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok


ਅਧਿਆਤਮ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਕਰੇ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਕਬ ਹੀ ਪਾਇ ॥
अधिआतम करम जे करे नामु न कब ही पाइ ॥

Aḏẖi­āṯam karam jė karė nām na kab hī pā­ė.
You may perform religious rituals, and still never obtain the Naam, the Name of the Lord.
Guru Amar Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok



ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਲਭਈ ਲਖ ਕੋਟੀ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਉ ॥੨॥
बिनु सतिगुर हरि नामु न लभई लख कोटी करम कमाउ ॥२॥

Bin saṯgur har nām na labẖ­ī lakẖ kotī karam kamā­o. ||2||
Without the True Guru, the Name of the Lord is not found, even though people may perform hundreds of thousands, even millions of rituals. ||2||
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ਆਸਾ
आसा ॥
Āsā.
Aasaa:

ਰੋਜਾ ਧਰੈ ਮਨਾਵੈ ਅਲਹੁ ਸੁਆਦਤਿ ਜੀਅ ਸੰਘਾਰੈ
रोजा धरै मनावै अलहु सुआदति जीअ संघारै ॥
Rojā ḏẖarai manāvai alhu su­āḏaṯ jī­a sangẖārai.
You keep your fasts to please Allah, while you murder other beings for pleasure.

ਆਪਾ ਦੇਖਿ ਅਵਰ ਨਹੀ ਦੇਖੈ ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਝਖ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥
आपा देखि अवर नही देखै काहे कउ झख मारै ॥१॥
Āpā ḏėkẖ avar nahī ḏėkẖai kāhė ka­o jẖakẖ mārai. ||1||
You look after your own interests, and so not see the interests of others. What good is your word? ||1||

ਕਾਜੀ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਏਕੁ ਤੋਹੀ ਮਹਿ ਤੇਰਾ ਸੋਚਿ ਬਿਚਾਰਿ ਦੇਖੈ
काजी साहिबु एकु तोही महि तेरा सोचि बिचारि न देखै ॥
Kājī sāhib ėk ṯohī meh ṯėrā socẖ bicẖār na ḏėkẖai.
O Qazi, the One Lord is within you, but you do not behold Him by thought or contemplation.

ਖਬਰਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਦੀਨ ਕੇ ਬਉਰੇ ਤਾ ਤੇ ਜਨਮੁ ਅਲੇਖੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ
खबरि न करहि दीन के बउरे ता ते जनमु अलेखै ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Kẖabar na karahi ḏīn kė ba­urė ṯā ṯė janam alėkẖai. ||1|| rahā­o.
You do not care for others, you are a religious fanatic, and your life is of no account at all. ||1||Pause||

ਸਾਚੁ ਕਤੇਬ ਬਖਾਨੈ ਅਲਹੁ ਨਾਰਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਈ
साचु कतेब बखानै अलहु नारि पुरखु नही कोई ॥
Sācẖ kaṯėb bakẖānai alhu nār purakẖ nahī ko­ī.
Your holy scriptures say that Allah is True, and that he is neither male nor female.

ਪਢੇ ਗੁਨੇ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਛੁ ਬਉਰੇ ਜਉ ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਖਬਰਿ ਹੋਈ ॥੨॥
पढे गुने नाही कछु बउरे जउ दिल महि खबरि न होई ॥२॥
Padẖė gunė nāhī kacẖẖ ba­urė ja­o ḏil meh kẖabar na ho­ī. ||2||
But you gain nothing by reading and studying, O mad-man, if you do not gain the understanding in your heart. ||2||

ਅਲਹੁ ਗੈਬੁ ਸਗਲ ਘਟ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਲੇਹੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ
अलहु गैबु सगल घट भीतरि हिरदै लेहु बिचारी ॥
Alhu gaib sagal gẖat bẖīṯar hirḏai lėho bicẖārī.
Allah is hidden in every heart; reflect upon this in your mind.

ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੁਰਕ ਦੁਹੂੰ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੈ ਕਹੈ ਕਬੀਰ ਪੁਕਾਰੀ ॥੩॥੭॥੨੯॥
हिंदू तुरक दुहूं महि एकै कहै कबीर पुकारी ॥३॥७॥२९॥
Hinḏū ṯurak duhū­aʼn meh ėkai kahai Kabīr pukārī. ||3||7||29||
The One Lord is within both Hindu and Muslim; Kabeer proclaims this out loud. ||3||7||29||




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I never really look for God's identity. I always believe that God is within us...within me. But as I read Hymns of Baba Nanak, and here what I found:

"After looking around in the four directions, I looked within my own self. There, I saw the True, Invisible Lord Creator. I was wandering in the wilderness, but now the Guru has shown me the Truth. I have found the jewel within the home of my own self; the lamp within has been lit. Those who praise the True Word of the Shabad, abide in the peace of Truth. But those who do not have the Fear of God, are overtaken by fear. They are destroyed by their own pride. Having forgotten the Name, the world is roaming around like a wild demon."




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Lucy Ji,

Wisdom unfolds within us in layers like a russian doll. But this is our acceptance capacity. Guru's wisdom awaits our acceptance. This process cannot be pushed. It comes when the mind is subdued.

"I have found the jewel within the home of my own self; the lamp within has been lit. Those who praise the True Word of the Shabad, abide in the peace of Truth."

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