Without the Word or Naam

Astroboy · #1 (**permalink**) 03-Apr-2008, 23:12 PM

Guru Sahib gives us many quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Jee on how our lives would be without realizing the ever-presence of the Naam or Word of the Lord.

ਵਿਣੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਸਾਬਾਿਸ ॥੩॥੩੨॥
vin naavai naahee saabaas
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Without the Name, no one is approved. 332

Guru Nanak Dev Jee has made it clear in this quote without the name of the Lord, Vahiguroo, no one will be approved, no matter how hard one tries, one can try anything under the Sun if the breath is not occupied by the name of the Lord one will not be approved in the court of the Lord. Even the Rehit we keep will not be approved if it is not accompanied by each breath of Naam, every physical Rehit is kept to protect aatmic (spiritual) Rehit, if there is no spiritual substance in one then the physical Rehit becomes Pakhand (hypocrisy). If the Sevaa we do is not accompanied by the name of the Lord then the Sevaa will also not be approved by Akaal Purakh Vahiguroo. The reason for this is when our breath is accompanied by the mantraa Vahiguroo then everything we do is blessed by God and we are Neemaane (humble) to Gods will. If our breath is not occupied by the name then every karam (deed) we do is done through self-ego, as it is done through a mind wandering through thought and desire, and not a mind full of love for the Lord, which means love for his creation.
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Astroboy · #2 (**permalink**) 03-Apr-2008, 23:17 PM

ਮਨਮੁਖ ਗੁਣ ਤੈ ਬਾਹਰੇ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਮਰਦੇ ਝੂਿਰ ॥੨॥
munumukh gun thai baahurae bin naavai murudhae jhoor
The self-willed manmukhs are totally without virtue. Without the Name, they die in frustration.

Guru Sahib is saying in this Shabad that virtue will only come through Athai Pehar Naam Abhiyaas, if one does not meditate one will gain no virtue and one will suffer through personal wanting and desire, frustration will kill them in the end, as they still remain empty of Spiritual wisdom and bliss, and have gained no honor in the World. Their mind will not let them settle, as they have not experienced the beauty of contentment through Naam.
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ਜਤੁ ਸਤੁ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੈ ਵਿਣੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਿਨਰਮਲੁ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥
juth suth sunjum naam hai vin naavai nirumul n hoe
The Naam, the Name of the Lord, is abstinence, truthfulness, and self-restraint. Without the Name, no one becomes pure.

Guru Sahib is saying in this Shabad no one will be pure without the name of the Lord, as Naam is the only substance in which will purify this filthy mind suffering through many life times. This Naam can only be given by Guru Sahib and only blessed ones receive it, through receiving this Naam they realize its great value and hold it close to their Heart, they never let go, through this they become pure.

Sikh80 · #3 (**permalink**) 03-Apr-2008, 23:20 PM

After going through some posts I feel that there should be some subtle difference between the 'Naam' and the 'Name'.

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Naam De Dhare sagle jant.

I may not be correct though.
What do you feel?

Astroboy · #4 (**permalink**) 03-Apr-2008, 23:24 PM

ਵਿਣੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਸਭ ਡੁਮਣੀ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ਖੁਆਇ ॥
vin naavai subh ddumunee dhoojai bhaae khuaae
Without the Name, all are miserable. In the love of duality, they are ruined.

Guru Jee is saying here all are miserable without the Name, why are people miserable without the name? They look perfectly happy when we see them. Guru Sahib says in Gurbaanee, Satgur Taakleeaa Hamaaraa Paapee Pardaa, this means nobody can see the negative state of our mind, as the Guru has blessed us and covered it with skin. If people really knew what we were thinking whilst being happy and jolly on the outside nobody would ever speak to us, as most of the time we are full of negative emotions, but we always seem to hide them in amongst people. Most people in the world feel miserable and down at times, only the Gurmukhs who Jap Naam with every breath do not realize what the words 'miserable' and 'down' mean, as they very rarely experience negative emotions, they are always high on Naam.

ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਠਉਰੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਨੀ ਜਮਪੁਿਰ ਦੂਖ ਸਹਾਿਹ ॥੩॥
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bin naavai thour n paaeinee jumupur dhookh sehaahi
Without the Name, they find no place of rest. In the City of Death, they suffer in agony. 3

Guru Jee is saying those who do not Jap Naam Athai Pehar (24/7) will find no place of rest, even their soul will suffer after physical death, they will be beaten by the messenger of death and their soul will suffer in the cycle of reincarnation until Guru Sahib blesses us with the key of Human life and Naam.

Sikh80 · #5 (**permalink**) 03-Apr-2008, 23:35 PM

'Name' can be any thing that we want to attire Him with. But 'Naam' is not so.Ishwar, Allah are all but Name of God.Entire jaap Sahib is full of Name of Lord and His atrubutes. Being Bani it may be Naam if taken in entirety.But as per sikhi the entire essence is Naam though no one knows the exact Naam. Only Brahmgyani's may be blessed or they become so after getting it from Satguru.
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Kindly explain the difference though on a wider scale and logic of extension anything stated in love can be name of the Lord but Naam connotes a very specific thing in sikhi. It has been called as 'precious jewel' in the translations.

I may be all wrong.Kindly correct me if you so wish.

Astroboy · #6 (**permalink**) 03-Apr-2008, 23:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sikh80

After going through some posts I feel that there should be some subtle difference between the 'Naam' and the 'Name'.

Naam De Dhare sagle jant.

I may not be correct though.
What do you feel?

Sikh80 Ji,

You're right - Name is quite misleading. Word comes closer and this is stated in the Bible about Word :

Thy Word is a Lamp unto my feet, and a Light unto my Path.
Psalm 119:105

I'm changing the title : Without the Word or Naam

Another question arises : If everything is created by the Word as in :

ਕੀਤਾ ਪਸਾਉ ਏਕੋ ਕਵਾਉ ॥
Kīṯā pasāo ėko kavāo
You created the vast expanse of the Universe with One Word!
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

or

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. . . . That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world . . . And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.
JOHN 1: 1-5, 9,14

Question :
If everything is created by the Word, then how can we be without it ?

Sikh80 · #7 (**permalink**) 03-Apr-2008, 23:45 PM

Yes, Naam is with in each of us.[Gurbani]
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We do not know as to how to realise this.
Entire self realisation is all about this.
Entire life is to be spent in discovering it.
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Out of Millions only one Gurmukh gets it [ Gurbani]

I have stated as that I appreciate little of bani. We all have Naam within us.

Sikh80 · #8 (**permalink**) 04-Apr-2008, 00:03 AM

nwmy aupjY nwmy ibnsY nwmy sic smwey ] (246-16, gauVI, mÚ 3)
From the Naam we originate, and into the Naam we shall pass; through the Naam, we are absorbed in the Truth.
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I have quoted above as per that I understand. Above line is quite popular because of being in Guadi. I shall check the things by morning and post them carefully.

You may kindly carry on with your post. Sorry for causing any inconvenience.

Sikh80 · #9 (**permalink**) 04-Apr-2008, 11:49 AM

Enw AMdir nwmu inDwnu hY nwmo prgtu hoie ] (17-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

There are many places In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that discuss Naam. One can write a detailed essay on this that may run into pages and still shall not end. But in esence it is a gift from God , a revelation only, that leads to realisation.
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However, after going through some posts it is concluded that I shall not be able to give any information in a focussed manner.

Naam is everything yet it is only with practice of simram besides leading a truthful life that one may actually be blessed with. It is only from the one who has experienced this that something can be learnt; else all is conceptualization and visualization.
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Namjap ji, you may kindly carry on with this thread for the benefit of all of us.