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It may come as a surprise, but a recent UNO sponsored report released
has clearly stated that Punjabi [currently the 10/12 most widely spoken]
language is likely to die out within the next fifty years.Many reasons have
been given for this.

There are many causes, some social inferiority on part of thecurrent speakers , lack of command or understanding of the language,or political venom from some other quarters.


But,it becomes quickly noticeble in the Punjab that when one starts a journey from any corner in the state and reaches another corner, the number of shop boards in Punjabi with Gurmukhi letteriing are very few and easily countable.

They are not as numerous as English or Hindi sign boards.The Punjab government after lobbying for years for Punjabi state , does not in spirit seems to be committed to ensuring all the work is carried out in Punjabi.The recent Punjab Government act to increas the taxes and fees for only Punjabi books and lessen the taxes for Hindi/English books reflects the current non chalent mentality of the state to support the mother tongue-Punjabi. Current statics from the state show there are more children/people attending English and Hindi schools than Punjabi schoolseven at primary levels.

The increase of taxes for Punjabi books, becomes harder to understand esspecially in the light of past continous struggle by the Akali Dal, when out of government to get recognition for the Punjabi language in the state from 1950.The number of people that were shot and injured and the thousands that went to jails and suffered.All for the cause eof teh Punjbai language.

Far more shocking was the speed with which one Tota Singh, Education Minister of Punjab introduced English into primary schools upon the return of the Akali Dal government.In my personal interaction with him, he could not explain the rationale of the actions in choosing English over Punjabi.


It is assumed to be fashionable to speak in English or in Hindi than in the mother tongue,Punjabi.This is a very noticeble trend among those in the urban areas,as they wrongly assume and feel that the alledgedly rustic Punjabi language is pendu [village]based therefore is not as diplomatic or sweet as the more "sweet sounding and fashionable Hindi"; or English for that matter.

No doubt the bollywood cinema has played a major part in bringing about this unkind thinking.Bollywood has also effected Punjabi communities living abroad.I have seen in Malaysia/Singapore among the younger Punjabis, who try to emmulate the language into some form of Hindi, but they sounded so silly as they have neither the correct pronounciation in Punjabi or Hindi.I wondered what is the point they are trying to prove, while casting aside their mother tongue.


It is a matter of grave concern that the Punjabis settled in other parts of India have totally taken to Hindi,so much so, I have seen and heard Sikh children in Sri Ganganager, Jaipur,Mumbai, Darjeeling and Kolkatta and Bangalore/ Chennai speak only Hindi and almost no Punjabi.Even though many of them understand Punjabi.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/controversies/38946-punjabi-language-on-the-decline.html

This is also true in areas that are heavily populated by Punjabis, like the Traai region of UP/Utrakhand, Jamshedpur, Warangal,Hydrabad, Secundrabad,Rajasthan Hariana,Jammu, Ahmedabad or Mumbai.It becomes very noticable, Punjabi is only confined to the first generation,
as the second generation are abandoning it for Hindi or any language local
language or English.In Chennai, recently I met Sikh children speaking
Tamil fluently , with many also unable to speak Punjabi or understand it fully.

From every angle, if one observes, the Punjabi language is fighting an
uphill battle.In Delhi 70 % of the population is Punjabi originally.Yet one hardly sees posters in Punjabi.

In Hariana everyone understands and speaks Punjabi , yet they try to
project themslves as Hindi speakers, and perhaps many have just become new hindi speakers, after years of neglect and discriminative policies against Punjabi.

In Pakistan 60-65 % of the population is essentially Punjabi speaking
but apart from recent few attempts to promote Punjabi, it is absolutely
almost a dead language there.It cannot be spoken in the Pakistan Punjab
Assembly, where they speak Urdu.Urdu is official language of
Pakistan [ironically that holds 75% of the Punjabi speakers].

Again only recently they have come to recognise the Gurmukhi script and some groups are trying to impress the need to teach in Gurmukhi script in
Pakistan;they use Shahmukhi script widely.

The Hindus of the Indian Punjab , although at last have accepted the Punjabi language as their mother tongue within Punjab; are
more happy in using the Devnagri script.This is one of the reasons the
Punjab government has not religiously impresssed upon all work to be done in Punjabi Gurmukhi, perhaps trying appease this section of the "Punjabis"

For the diaspora Punjabis, new lands and challenges has caused to sometimes neglect their own mother.Although many efforts are in place or being started to ensure the younger genertaions remain connected to their mother tongue, but the efforts are not at the sacle the need is to ensure continuance of the language both in study,and practice in the homes.

Simply teaching the langauge within he four walls of a class room is no gurantee for its continual survival.Farsi and Urdu were the state languages in the pre 1947 East Punjab, but today they are non existent in that part Punjab.This is because they only remained within the walls of the class room and were never adopted as the everyday language of the people of the Punjab.Somehow, I get the niggly feeling the same is about to happne to the current Punjbai language if we do not make more effort to ensure we speak it every day, in the home, in the school, among the community, where ever they are and in the formative years of the child.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38946
Otherwise, a fifty year period is not too far away, when Punjabi language may also go on the decline.

For Sikhs alone, this could be a great problem and an issue of unpredented dificulties as without our Punjabi mother tongue, we may never remain connected to The Universal Truth -The Gurbani of Nanak -Guru Gobind Singh, which has been originally written in simple language of the day, by the Gurus themsleves.

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The SIKHS have been CHEATED by the Akali Dal..just as they were cheated by the nehrus/gandhis in 1947. The Proof of the pudding lies in the eating...situation in PUNJAB is result of Badal dal policies. The Sikhs gave power to sold out gadaars.
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There is a Punjabi school attached to the biggest Gurdwara in my city. The population attending this Gurdwara are mainly Malaysian (Punjabi) Sikhs, highly educated.

The Punjabi school receives funding from the local government.
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This year it had *drum roll* 0 registrations. Badal's hand of power surely doesn't reach that far into a Western country, into a mainly Malaysian sangat with otherwise sound management philosophy! I'm not convinced.

Why don't parents want their children to learn Punjabi in the West? Is it because they don't see any practical value/application of Punjabi in their child's life? Could this be a similar factor for Punjabis? Seeing the world in languages other than their own?
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First of all there's no language called 'Punjabi'.... it's "Gurmukhi"

Secondly, its really a big concern these days that people in Punjab are preferring Hindi even at their homes, with their kids. ... It's the responsibility of both parents & state govt. to preserve this most beautiful language but unfortunately i don't see any steps coming on it .....
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Punjabi is the spoken language, Gurmukhi is the written script.

Like English is the spoken language and Roman is the script.
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There is a Punjabi school attached to the biggest Gurdwara in my city. The population attending this Gurdwara are mainly Malaysian (Punjabi) Sikhs, highly educated.

The Punjabi school receives funding from the local government.

This year it had *drum roll* 0 registrations. Badal's hand of power surely doesn't reach that far into a Western country, into a mainly Malaysian sangat with otherwise sound management philosophy! I'm not convinced.

Why don't parents want their children to learn Punjabi in the West? Is it because they don't see any practical value/application of Punjabi in their child's life? Could this be a similar factor for Punjabis? Seeing the world in languages other than their own?
Ishna Ji..

IN MALAYSIA ( from where those highly educated people you mention came from)...there were 14 Govt funded Punjabi Schools with the Largest in Kuala Lumpur having an enrollment of about 1000. ALL these 14 are SHUT DOWN NOW...the Last one to CLOSE was the Biggest one in Kuala Lumpur attached t the BIGGEST and LARGEST Gurdawara Sahib here. During its "Closing Down Sale" a few years back..its last 12 students were children of Indonesian immigrants living nearby. Later a PRIVATELY OWNED "international School" used the Building as a SPRING BOARD (almost free facilities etc) to Launch itself as a SIKH School and soon moved to its own building....

Few years back some sikhs felt the Govt should back Privately funded Punjabi Education...and for past 4 years due in large to the OPPOSITION winning a large chunk of the Electorate..the Govt did wake up and begin showering the Sikhs with MONEY in the MILLIONS...but as you said in your post..MONEY doesnt produce Punjabi Education. Since we Malaysians neglected Punjabi education for so long..when we started Private education we had NO TEACHERS (who would work for a pittance..peanuts actually)..BUT then we struck GOLD...here we have many Malaysians married to GIRLS from PUNJAB...and as the proverb says..One EYED is KING in the land of the Blind..these women being form PUNJAB knew how to speak Punjabi at the very least even though their "education" status even by Punjab Standards was nothing to crow about..compared to the locals..these were PHD standard !! in addition they knew some FOLK DANCING and Punjabi Folk songs !! Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..Paath..Gurbani..Kirtan...SORRY..that is NOT TAUGHT in PUNJAB....so our imported teachers lack in that department...but anyway..now the govt "realizing need for sikh votes".. is happily showering money..and money talks..but still STUDENTS are severely LACKING !!..and we have DANCE FESTIVALS as achievement in PUNJABI EDUCATION...while previously Punjabi Schools produced Kirtaniyas, Granthis, Gurbani Paathis, akhand pathis writers or poets etc..still its a start of sorts...
So its no wonder that the situation in Australia is the Exact same replica of Malaysia...but theres hope yet..becasue Malaysians didnt migrate to Canada in such great numbers...

http://www.sify.com/news/punjabi-set...gmBqfaegb.html

Also in the UK..Punjabi is an Examination language up to PRE-U level and taught in many public schools as a second language...in Singapore also its taught to well enrolled schools..

Also NOTE that MOST Punjabi NEWSPAPERS given away for FREE at Gurdwaras are in PUNJABI....their NET editions are also solely in PUNJABI...so the Punjabi Educated segment is large...we lose some..gain some..its NOT a ZERO SUM game everywhere...
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First of all there's no language called 'Punjabi'.... it's "Gurmukhi"

Secondly, its really a big concern these days that people in Punjab are preferring Hindi even at their homes, with their kids. ... It's the responsibility of both parents & state govt. to preserve this most beautiful language but unfortunately i don't see any steps coming on it .....
ABC..is "ROMAN".........NOT ENGLISH. Your POST is in "ENGLISH".

OORA Airra EErree is GURMUKHI....and Haan Ji..Jee Aiyan Nu..is PUNJABI.
Haan Ji Jee Aiyan Nu can be written in ROMAN...SHAH-MUKHI...URDU..FARSEE...GREEK...MANDARIN...ARABIC.. .as well as GURMUKHI. It will SOUND the exact same in all....BUT ONLY a PUNJABI SPEAKER will UNDERSTAND and know what the phrase means....to a GREEK it will be...well just GREEK !! pun intended ( now dont be like my eldest son who is a graduate engineer from the best ENGLISH University..but who asked ME..dad whats a "pun"...and we laughed so hard for a couple of days at least....because he also pronounced Pun as POON and was wondering what a PUNJABI word pun-daan doing in an ENGLISH sentence !!)

The Total PUNJABI SPEAKING population of the World is in the range of nearly 200 MILLION...mostly in MUSLIM PAKISTANI PUNJAB....whereas Sikhs hardly number 20 million worldwide..and most cant speak Punjabi or read Gurmukhi !! GURMUKHI SURVIVED ONLY due to it being the script of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji....and THAT is also the SOLE REASON why Muslims and Hindus DONT ACCEPT GURMUKHI as the RIGHT SCRIPT for PUNJABI. Something like IF people REJECTED ENGLISH IN ROMAN SCRIPT because the Bible is in Roman Scripted English !! Logical ?? who cares...its the SIKHS who "Jaffa Maar" Gurmukhi and are squeezing its breath out in a BEAR HUG...we GOT to LEARN TO LET GO....PUNJABI in GURMUKHI..is for ALL PUNJABIS...!!! Lets keep the GURU out of LINGUISTICS....then maybe theres hope..in Pakistan there are mnay Punjabis who are working very hard in that enviornment to promote Gurmukhi script insated of shahmukhi (urdu)...while just about EVERYONE in Indian PUNJAB is working to KILL IT and replace it with Hindi in DEVNAGREE !!
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Well forgive my ignorance but simple google search about Punjabi shows couple of things...

- Punjabi has over 100 million native speakers..So atleast 120-150 million people can speak Punjabi...so that part is good...

- The main holder of Punjabi language is Pakistan and not India..so if Punjabi is going down in India..it won't effect overall health of the language...right?
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Country : Number of Punjab speakers

Pakistan : 76,335,300
India :
29,109,672


Now , in Pakistan , most people speak Urdu..right? and people can't even write Punjabi...though they can speak it...mmm well in this case , Punjabi language's future does look bleak.

Couple of thing I must add from my little experience :

In our highschool/college days , INDIAN SIKHS with 'Punjabi background' used to look down upon new-comers who would speak 'Punjabi' instead of English...So this is one major issue..Youth does not take pride in Punjabi language...Those who do , they are put down by their OWN Punjabi compatriots...

Secondly , as Gyani ji said , Punjabi is losing its social relevance...People would rather read sign boards in Urdu/Hindi or English rather than Punjabi...As older generations die out...so will the Punjabi language...

Sad but true.

I think the BEST way forward is to "upgrade" Punjabi language..make it easier to learn..increase its vocabulary...improve its structure..introduce it in schools in Punjab etc..only then youth will become familiar with this language.
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I have couple of **** friends & they speak damn good Punjabi/Gurmukhi ..... so Pakis may be preserved this language more than the Indians...
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Don't know why Punjabis (India) feel embarrassed communicating in Punjabi .... But i still feel the present Govts. are making all possible efforts to vanish this sweet language. For instance, kids hardly get admissions in schools if they can't speak Hindi .... it can be understood in other states but the same in PUNJAB as well....
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The little knowledge i have on this is that the 2nd Guru Angad Dev Ji worked hard improving this language & later the language was know more as "Gurmukhi"
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