What's Wrong With God?

[Ishna]

its saying we are all the same and all hanker after the same thing, and rather than go for heaven or paradise just accept and do your best?

Actually I'm not sure the full meaning of this shabad. It's very interesting that again my initial take on it is different to yours. You've read the line about paradise and heaven as pointing to people wanting that. I've read it as the Hindu and the Muslim wanting to get to their own versions of the afterlife (the particular afterlifes being the focus of the line, rather than the desire to get there).

Big disclaimer, this is just my first impression: Reading more into the shabad just totally off the cuff, I think it picks up your earlier point about the Sikh version of god being 'empty' or without characteristics. You call God this name or that, but (rahao) god is the cause of causes. You both follow the peculiarities of your religion and want to arrive at your separate versions of a wonderful afterlife. But there's this reality of hukam, and if you only knew that, you'd get to the actual truth that exists behind all the trappings of two different religions that people are convinced about.

 

[Harry Haller]

Actually I'm not sure the full meaning of this shabad. It's very interesting that again my initial take on it is different to yours. You've read the line about paradise and heaven as pointing to people wanting that. I've read it as the Hindu and the Muslim wanting to get to their own versions of the afterlife (the particular afterlifes being the focus of the line, rather than the desire to get there).

Big disclaimer, this is just my first impression: Reading more into the shabad just totally off the cuff, I think it picks up your earlier point about the Sikh version of god being 'empty' or without characteristics. You call God this name or that, but (rahao) god is the cause of causes. You both follow the peculiarities of your religion and want to arrive at your separate versions of a wonderful afterlife. But there's this reality of hukam, and if you only knew that, you'd get to the actual truth that exists behind all the trappings of two different religions that people are convinced about.

in that case, given what you have said, God, Allah, RAM, are not all the same as Waheguru in that case, they are Waheguru lite?

 

[Harry Haller]

also Allah clearly approves of all that is in the Koran, God approves of what is in the Bible, and Ram approves of what is in the Vedas, all these things make the respective Gods happy or sad, angry or loving, Waheguru does not give a damn one way or another, so are they even Waheguru lite? They are clearly separate entities period?

 

[Logical Sikh]

how do you know " these things make Allah, Ram, Bible " Happy or sad ?

 

[Ishna]

also Allah clearly approves of all that is in the Koran, God approves of what is in the Bible, and Ram approves of what is in the Vedas, all these things make the respective Gods happy or sad, angry or loving, Waheguru does not give a damn one way or another, so are they even Waheguru lite? They are clearly separate entities period?

I don't have an answer yet about their existence as separate entities. I think Gurbani may say that gods have transient existence in Maya just like we do, but I have no examples at my fingertips and haven't thought about it enough from this POV yet.

Stop asking difficult questions! (that's 100% a joke. don't stop - you're wonderful )

 

[Harry Haller]

how do you know " these things make Allah, Ram, Bible " Happy or sad ?

I don't personally know myself, but there is plenty material on how to make each individual God happy, and its all different depending on the God, or substance..

What makes Allah very happy? - Ummah.com - Muslim Forum

Four Ways To Make God Happy


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/06/why-ketamine-makes-you-happy

 

[Inderjeet Kaur]

[An aside.] Have any of you read LORD OF LIGHT by Roger Zelazny? It has a very different take on Hindu gods and goddesses. I'm amazed if this book hasn't been banned in India. [/close aside]

Now go back to your discussion.

 

[Harry Haller]

I will give that a read!

 

[Logical Sikh]

how

I don't personally know myself, but there is plenty material on how to make each individual God happy, and its all different depending on the God, or substance..

What makes Allah very happy? - Ummah.com - Muslim Forum

Four Ways To Make God Happy


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/06/why-ketamine-makes-you-happy

how do you know that they actually make them happy ?

 

[Inderjeet Kaur]

how

how do you know that they actually make them happy?

How do you know that they actually exist? That is necessary before you get concerned with making them happy.

 

[Harry Haller]

how

how do you know that they actually make them happy ?

I have already stated I have no idea, and personally could not give a toss, however, according to the respective religions, there is much material on what each individual God expects to make him happy according to the respective devotees, this is also applies to whether they exist, again, no idea, could not give a toss, all we have to go on is what the respective followers believe, not what I believe

 

[Logical Sikh]

How do you know that they actually exist? That is necessary before you get concerned with making them happy.

i dont believe in RAM..... but i think ALLAH and WAHEGURU is same...... Muslims just have diff perspective

 

[Logical Sikh]

well depends which RAM we're talking

 

[Inderjeet Kaur]

I think we should include Har. That's used a lot in Siri Guru Granth Sahib.

 

[Logical Sikh]

i think " RAM, ALLAH, HAR, GOD ( christian )," they all the same.... evrybdy just have different definitions according to their own limit of knowledge .... Some definitions are right, Some are partially right, and some definitions are false.

 

[Harry Haller]

i dont believe in RAM..... but i think ALLAH and WAHEGURU is same...... Muslims just have diff perspective

I see, so in your opinion as a Sikh, Waheguru are the same, but the Muslims who actually follow and worship Allah have a different 'perspective'? do you think you should tell them?

 

[Logical Sikh]

I see, so in your opinion as a Sikh, Waheguru are the same, but the Muslims who actually follow and worship Allah have a different 'perspective'? do you think you should tell them?

i think if someone wants to learn they'll find out on their own

 

[Harry Haller]

i think if someone wants to learn they'll find out on their own

do you not think it arrogant that you consider your truth to be more truthful than what the entire Muslim nation believes?

 

[Logical Sikh]

do you not think it arrogant that you consider your truth to be more truthful than what the entire Muslim nation believes?

hahaha.......... i never studied islam its just you were saying that ALLAH is not same as WAHEGURU.

 

[Ishna]

hahaha.......... i never studied islam its just you were saying that ALLAH is not same as WAHEGURU.

Then by what logic have you determined that Allah and Waheguru are the same?