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Racism and Harrassment of Sikhs at Nagar Kirtan by Fundamentalist Group in New Zealand

adian808

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New Zealand belong to Maoris
Those white Englishes are not indigenous , Should they leave according to themselves?
Austronesians are very linked to India, Dravidiens and Sumerians ( Cholas noticed in Cambodia that people has a proto Hindu culture )
Even those white supremacists thinking they are Aryans are linked to india (North India is majority Aryan )
Besides of it , Proto Indo European who is very closed Lithuanian and Sanskrit, comes from Dravidian according to Alvaro Hans.
And Dravidiens and Australoides come from Africa according to Bernard Sergent of french CNRS in his book Genèse de l Inde.
So white supremacists got their langages from so called Blacks.
Will they accept?
 

Warriorlight

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New Zealand belong to Maoris
Those white Englishes are not indigenous , Should they leave according to themselves?
Austronesians are very linked to India, Dravidiens and Sumerians ( Cholas noticed in Cambodia that people has a proto Hindu culture )
Even those white supremacists thinking they are Aryans are linked to india (North India is majority Aryan )
Besides of it , Proto Indo European who is very closed Lithuanian and Sanskrit, comes from Dravidian according to Alvaro Hans.
And Dravidiens and Australoides come from Africa according to Bernard Sergent of french CNRS in his book Genèse de l Inde.
So white supremacists got their langages from so called Blacks.
Will they accept?
Harrassing people at a Sikh Nagar Kirtan and also harrassment of anyone during a religious procession is Abuse and 100% unacceptable.
 

Dalvinder Singh Grewal

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Confrontation of Sikh Procession by a Nea Zealander Group: An analysis

Dr Dalvinder Singh Grewal

A Sikh Nagar Kirtan (Sikh religious procession on the occasion of the martyrdom of the mother and 4 sons of Guru Gobind Singh) in South Auckland, New Zealand, was protested in the form of a traditional Maori tribal “haka” dance on Saturday (December 20). It was a mourning day, and not to hurt anyone’s feelings, which could have caused any retaliation, as was done by a Maori haka dance. This has obviously hurt the feelings of Sikhs world over. Who were these who interrupted the procession, and why did they do it? It is a matter of analysis. The confrontational group involved is a fringe group that has neither the wider Maori community's support nor the support of mainstream Christian denominations. Its head, Brian Tamaki, is a self-proclaimed "Bishop"—just as we have this sudden flood of so-called saints (Babas who have started their own deras). This "confrontation" seems to have been an effort to garner publicity for the group, which it seems to have succeeded in getting. Also, the procession was to mark the martyrdom days of the four sons and the mother of Guru Gobind Singh ji. Jaikara by the procession finally turned the confrontational group away. To avoid any confrontation, at the advice of the police, I did not continue further. But the most intriguing thing is what made these confronting people organize such a confrontational approach. Rather than to have put the matter before the Sikh community so that it could have been settled through discussion. Also astonishing is the lack of local intelligence agencies, which failed to infer the presence of such a confronting group, or even the police, which had permitted the procession to be held but failed to clear the route before, even though the police personnel might have been placed on the route before. What we are hoping for is that the concerned government agencies will make sure that no foreign power commissioned this group to stage this confrontation. Without making much of this confrontation, Sikhs abroad must now start to have their intelligence to keep a watch on the feeling of the communities around and must maintain cordial relations with them regularly since Sikhs from India would not be able to help them, but the local people only will stand by them if they have friendly relations. Political Sikhs are also requested not to be too vocal and make statements that may further harm the relations between Sikhs and the locals or between two nations. Restraint and mutual discussions are the best way to solve such confrontations.
 

Warriorlight

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Confrontation of Sikh Procession by a Nea Zealander Group: An analysis

Dr Dalvinder Singh Grewal

A Sikh Nagar Kirtan (Sikh religious procession on the occasion of the martyrdom of the mother and 4 sons of Guru Gobind Singh) in South Auckland, New Zealand, was protested in the form of a traditional Maori tribal “haka” dance on Saturday (December 20). It was a mourning day, and not to hurt anyone’s feelings, which could have caused any retaliation, as was done by a Maori haka dance. This has obviously hurt the feelings of Sikhs world over. Who were these who interrupted the procession, and why did they do it? It is a matter of analysis. The confrontational group involved is a fringe group that has neither the wider Maori community's support nor the support of mainstream Christian denominations. Its head, Brian Tamaki, is a self-proclaimed "Bishop"—just as we have this sudden flood of so-called saints (Babas who have started their own deras). This "confrontation" seems to have been an effort to garner publicity for the group, which it seems to have succeeded in getting. Also, the procession was to mark the martyrdom days of the four sons and the mother of Guru Gobind Singh ji. Jaikara by the procession finally turned the confrontational group away. To avoid any confrontation, at the advice of the police, I did not continue further. But the most intriguing thing is what made these confronting people organize such a confrontational approach. Rather than to have put the matter before the Sikh community so that it could have been settled through discussion. Also astonishing is the lack of local intelligence agencies, which failed to infer the presence of such a confronting group, or even the police, which had permitted the procession to be held but failed to clear the route before, even though the police personnel might have been placed on the route before. What we are hoping for is that the concerned government agencies will make sure that no foreign power commissioned this group to stage this confrontation. Without making much of this confrontation, Sikhs abroad must now start to have their intelligence to keep a watch on the feeling of the communities around and must maintain cordial relations with them regularly since Sikhs from India would not be able to help them, but the local people only will stand by them if they have friendly relations. Political Sikhs are also requested not to be too vocal and make statements that may further harm the relations between Sikhs and the locals or between two nations. Restraint and mutual discussions are the best way to solve such confrontations.
Thanks for this Ji, great seva. Just a couple of things I wanted to flag up:

1. There are definitely legitimate Sants in the world at present, one just requires discernment in discovering for themselves whether they're genuine or not.

2. Maintaining friendly relations with bad people ie the racist essentially demons in New Zealand would not be an option for a Sikh of the Guru as we are taught not to associate with slanderers and abusers like that etc. Of course we don't just attack people and we retain appropriate etiquette throughout, however acquiescing or fawning to bad people isn't authentic.

We have seen the damage racists can do such as in Nazi Germany, the unspeakably horrific recent ongoing Holocaust in Gaza and even the recent racist riots by primitive hooligans in the UK- sitting with such people is damaging. Those people raised racist slogans and this is 100% unacceptable. For sure there was governmental/ intelligence agency/ police foul play there also, that's a given. If the worlds government leaders are friendly with India and Modhi the demonic Butcher of Gujrat, it's granted they are also corrupt.
 
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Dalvinder Singh Grewal

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The friendship mentioned here is with the good citizens, where bad characters are avoided. I agree with you on this point. I also agree that they are good saints, but I could find only a few good ones, but most others fall in the category I mentioned.
 

Warriorlight

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The friendship mentioned here is with the good citizens, where bad characters are avoided. I agree with you on this point. I also agree that they are good saints, but I could find only a few good ones, but most others fall in the category I mentioned.
Hello Ji. Apologies for the very delayed reply. I see okay, understood. Yes it can be hard to find good sant for sure, alot of wolves in sheeps clothing out there. You'll find the genuine Sants are the ones without ego, could just look like regular guys or women on the street. That's been my experience.
 
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