GURU SHABAD From Sant or take amrit which do i choose help

[604IAmMyBrothersKeeper]

Waheguru jiki khalsa shri waheguruki ji fateh..
Hello so basically im stuck not sure what to do should i take amrit and get naam from panj pyaare? Or the sant that i go to should i get a guru shabad from him? I asked him and he said its the same thing.. so im stuck
I can still cut my hair eat meat drink liqour and have a guru shabad but if i take amrit cant do that which isnt a big factor anyway

 

[Dr. D. P. Singh]

This is a sincere and important question. Sikhi encourages vichaar (deep reflection), not rushed decisions. I am responding clearly, gently, and strictly from a Gurmat (Sikh doctrine) perspective, not from sectarian or personal opinions.

1. Guru in Sikhi is only Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
In Sikhi, no human: saint, sant, baba, or spiritual teacher, can give “Guru Naam” or replace the Guru.

“ਸਬਦੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਧੁਨਿ ਚੇਲਾ”
The Shabad is the Guru; consciousness is the disciple. (SGGS, 943)

Naam is not a private mantra given by a person. Naam is the Divine Reality revealed through Gurbani, lived through Simran, Seva, and Rehat.

So, from a Gurmat perspective: (i) A Sant cannot give a separate “Guru Shabad.” (ii) There is no parallel initiation system to the Khalsa given by the Guru Himself.

2. What is Amrit, really?
Taking Amrit from the Panj Pyare is not a ritual upgrade or restriction-based lifestyle.

It is (i) A public commitment to live as the Khalsa of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, (ii) Acceptance of Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the eternal Guru, (iii) Acceptance of Rehat as discipline, not punishment.

Guru Sahib says;
"ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਮੇਰੋ ਰੂਪ ਹੈ ਖ਼ਾਸ ॥"
The Khalsa is my own special form. (Khalsa Mahima)

When you take Amrit, you are not “losing freedom”; you are choosing alignment.

3. About “I can still cut hair, eat meat, drink alcohol.”
From a Gurmat lens, this line itself shows where the confusion lies.

Sikhi does not begin with rules; it starts with the transformation of consciousness.
If someone says:
“I can still do X, Y, Z, so it’s easier.”

Then the question is not:
Which path is allowed?
But:
Which path is transforming me toward Gurmat?

The Khalsa discipline exists because external discipline supports internal awakening. It is not moral superiority; it is spiritual coherence.

“ਮਨੁ ਨੀਵਾਂ ਮਤੁ ਉੱਚੀ”
Let humility be your foundation, and wisdom your guide. (Sikh Ardas)

4. Is Naam from Panj Pyare and a Sant “the same”?
From Sikhi doctrine: No, they are not the same. Amrit Sanchar is Guru-ordained. Private Naam or Shabad from an individual is person-based. Sikhi explicitly rejects human intermediaries.

“ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੁ”
Know the Guru and the Divine as One. (SGGS, p. 864)

The Panj Pyare do not act as individuals; they act as the Guru's collective authority.

5. When should one take Amrit?
(i) Not when pressured. (ii) Not when confused. (iii) Not as a badge.

But when: (i) You accept Guru Granth Sahib Ji fully, (ii) You desire to discipline your ego, not negotiate with it. (iii) You are ready to walk Sikhi with honesty, even though imperfectly. However, striving for perfection is appreciated.

Guru does not demand perfection; Guru demands sincerity.

6. A gentle but honest reflection
Ask yourself:

• Do I want spiritual comfort or spiritual transformation?
• Am I seeking flexibility or commitment?
• Do I see Sikhi as a path or a menu?

There is no sin in waiting.
But there is danger in replacing Guru-centred Sikhi with person-centred spirituality.

7. Final Gurmat advice
If you are still unsure: (i) Do Simran (ii) Read and contemplate Gurbani daily (iii) Serve (Seva) (iv) Stay in Sangat that centers Guru Granth Sahib Ji, not personalities

And when your heart is clear, Amrit will not feel like restriction; it will feel like home.

“ਜਿਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਕੀਓ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਾਇਓ”
Only those who love truly realize the Divine. (Akal Ustat)

 

[swarn bains]

well explained dr sahib. thank you.

 

[604IAmMyBrothersKeeper]

This is a sincere and important question. Sikhi encourages vichaar (deep reflection), not rushed decisions. I am responding clearly, gently, and strictly from a Gurmat (Sikh doctrine) perspective, not from sectarian or personal opinions.

1. Guru in Sikhi is only Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
In Sikhi, no human: saint, sant, baba, or spiritual teacher, can give “Guru Naam” or replace the Guru.

“ਸਬਦੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਧੁਨਿ ਚੇਲਾ”
The Shabad is the Guru; consciousness is the disciple. (SGGS, 943)

Naam is not a private mantra given by a person. Naam is the Divine Reality revealed through Gurbani, lived through Simran, Seva, and Rehat.

So, from a Gurmat perspective: (i) A Sant cannot give a separate “Guru Shabad.” (ii) There is no parallel initiation system to the Khalsa given by the Guru Himself.

2. What is Amrit, really?
Taking Amrit from the Panj Pyare is not a ritual upgrade or restriction-based lifestyle.

It is (i) A public commitment to live as the Khalsa of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, (ii) Acceptance of Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the eternal Guru, (iii) Acceptance of Rehat as discipline, not punishment.

Guru Sahib says;
"ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਮੇਰੋ ਰੂਪ ਹੈ ਖ਼ਾਸ ॥"
The Khalsa is my own special form. (Khalsa Mahima)

When you take Amrit, you are not “losing freedom”; you are choosing alignment.

3. About “I can still cut hair, eat meat, drink alcohol.”
From a Gurmat lens, this line itself shows where the confusion lies.

Sikhi does not begin with rules; it starts with the transformation of consciousness.
If someone says:
“I can still do X, Y, Z, so it’s easier.”

Then the question is not:
Which path is allowed?
But:
Which path is transforming me toward Gurmat?

The Khalsa discipline exists because external discipline supports internal awakening. It is not moral superiority; it is spiritual coherence.

“ਮਨੁ ਨੀਵਾਂ ਮਤੁ ਉੱਚੀ”
Let humility be your foundation, and wisdom your guide. (Sikh Ardas)

4. Is Naam from Panj Pyare and a Sant “the same”?
From Sikhi doctrine: No, they are not the same. Amrit Sanchar is Guru-ordained. Private Naam or Shabad from an individual is person-based. Sikhi explicitly rejects human intermediaries.

“ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੁ”
Know the Guru and the Divine as One. (SGGS, p. 864)

The Panj Pyare do not act as individuals; they act as the Guru's collective authority.

5. When should one take Amrit?
(i) Not when pressured. (ii) Not when confused. (iii) Not as a badge.

But when: (i) You accept Guru Granth Sahib Ji fully, (ii) You desire to discipline your ego, not negotiate with it. (iii) You are ready to walk Sikhi with honesty, even though imperfectly. However, striving for perfection is appreciated.

Guru does not demand perfection; Guru demands sincerity.

6. A gentle but honest reflection
Ask yourself:

• Do I want spiritual comfort or spiritual transformation?
• Am I seeking flexibility or commitment?
• Do I see Sikhi as a path or a menu?

There is no sin in waiting.
But there is danger in replacing Guru-centred Sikhi with person-centred spirituality.

7. Final Gurmat advice
If you are still unsure: (i) Do Simran (ii) Read and contemplate Gurbani daily (iii) Serve (Seva) (iv) Stay in Sangat that centers Guru Granth Sahib Ji, not personalities

And when your heart is clear, Amrit will not feel like restriction; it will feel like home.

“ਜਿਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਕੀਓ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਾਇਓ”
Only those who love truly realize the Divine. (Akal Ustat

Sants are real talk about it in the sukhmani sahib also the sant has powers and can give blessings he has a big following my family has recieved guru shabad from him and its 5 words and only there supose to know what it is and they report sucha good energy feeling from the guru shabad.

 

[Dr. D. P. Singh]

It’s good to hear about your experience. In Sikhi, a true Sant guides us toward the Guru Shabad, which is the real source of peace and spiritual energy. The feelings of bliss and positivity your family experiences come from connecting with the Shabad and Waheguru’s presence, not just the person. A true Sant helps open the heart to this divine connection, and through devotion, the mind and soul are uplifted.

 

[Dr. D. P. Singh]

well explained dr sahib. thank you.

Thank you, Sir, for your ecouraging remark. Regards.