Bhattan De Swaiyaeh. Pyragenics Of The Bards

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki fateh.

Some academicians are questioning the inclusion of the Bhatt Swaiyas in Guru Granth Ji..... as these are straight forward "praise" of the First Five Gurus. These were inluded and are now enjoying the same status as GURBANI...Dhur Ki bani ayee jin saglee chint mitayee. These Bhattas are said to be kirtaniyas at the drabar of Guru Ramdass Ji... Could Guru Ramdass Ji for example allow such "praise" directed straight at Himself as Kirtan in His darbar...and thus this same thing was done at the Drabar of Guru Arjun Sahib jee. PRAISE of Guru Nanak as Dhur AAD GURU is acceptable....but how could Guru Arjun Ji accept such praise for Himself and include this in Gurbani....or is there a different explanation and these new scholars are barking up the wrong tree ?? I wonder ??

Secondly these Bhatt Swaiyeh are the ONLY GURBANI that is also PRAISING and CONNECTING to the Hindu "Gods" Krishna and Raam Chander...acting as the LINK between these Hindu Gods in Satyug Dwapur and claiming that these same gods are now Guru nanak and the other Sikh Gurus in Klayug..

Thirdly the Bhatt Swaiyehs are "unique" in that they are written "descripivally" ABOUT the SIKH GURUS, and the Hindu Gods..Krishan, Raam Chander...every other GURBANI is NOT DESCRIPTIVE about any living person, and is ENTIRELY about WAHEGURU and HIS NAAM/PATH to HIM, Gurmatt etc.

Jarnail singh

 

[Sher_Singh]

Gyani Ji,
this too does baffle me. Kal refers to Nanak as Krishna.....
if anyone has the answer to why this is please do enlighten.

Guru Fateh.

 

[Garry D]

Just stumbled upon this 17 year old bumped thread. Never read "Bhatt Bani" before, but doing a little research on Google has got me thinking.
On Ang 1390 of Granth Sahib Ji, Bhatt is calling Guru Nanak as incarnation of "ram of Raghu dynasty" and "Krishna" in "treta" and "dwapar" yug respectively!
Tens of other devtas have been legimitised on the same page by the bhatt, by making them contemplate on the name of Guru Nanak!?!
All Gurus' bani is perfect and logical, never self-contradictory, praising the Waheguru or Almighty. But these Bhatt Swaiyas seem off to me.

 

[Not2Cool2Argue]

These are living history of the gurus. Written by the contemporaries. I am so grateful to have this. Other wise no contemporary history exists. There are so many naysayers of sikhi, like Muslims, Hindus, Radhasoamis, Ramraiye, and various sects. Now we know each guru did pass on the guru ship. We know the correct order of the gurus. Also many times in gurbani, it says Guru is God Manifest. And we do worship the Gurus as avatars/manifestations of God. So how is it wrong to praise them? We don’t believe in Shirk, that God is offended if we equate anything to God.
In fact, saints if they have the qualities of God, are to considered God Like and worshipped as such. As written in many places in Gurbani.
Comparing to Krishna and raam, that’s nothing. That could be a metaphor, or the charts could be equating Guru sahib to the status of the avatars.

Stop being so sensitive and self censoring. Gurbani is great in all its different forms. Enjoy it and love it

 

[swarn bains]

sggs has its ethic. that is love, dedication humility and gurus teaching (sabad)
when guru arjun dev jee advertized to publish sggs then many people came with their writing,, bhatt also came. bhatt's writing , sawayas meet the ethic criteria that is why they were included in it. soor das came from banaras. his writing was included.others like peelu, shah husain, chhaju and kahna also brought their poetry but did not meet the criteria set for including in the sggs and they were not included in it.

 

[A_seeker]

brought their poetry but did not meet the criteria set for including in the sggs and they were not included in it.

what was the criteria set by the gurus ??

 

[swarn bains]

love,dedication,humility,and gurus teaching(sabad)

 

[A_seeker]

there were many Bhakti Saints spread all over the India who meet theses criteria easily

Bhakti movement - Wikipedia

'Dohavalli' by Goswami Tulsidas which i have read is overflowing with love, dedication & guru bhakti etc ..

 

[swarn bains]

guru Nanak brought some of the writings and then guru arjun dev advertised to publisg sggs and he checked their poetry. he or Nanak did not go all over searching for it

 

[swarn bains]

then it is not hard to follow ramayan instead of sggs. go and do it. i read it as well it does not match the dedication of sggs. it is my opinion. but one thing to say that bhat gave the sikhs the wahiguru slogan. ask i will give you

 

[Warriorlight]

then it is not hard to follow ramayan instead of sggs. go and do it. i read it as well it does not match the dedication of sggs. it is my opinion. but one thing to say that bhat gave the sikhs the wahiguru slogan. ask i will give you

Hi Swaran Bhaji- do you know if this forum has administrators or admin? I've been needing help with something for over a week and noone is replying to any of my messages to any mods.

 

[swarn bains]

there are administrators. i will trytanswer your question but i am not an administerator

 

[A_seeker]

read it as well it does not match the dedication of sggs. it

This is just a perception...



Indeed, a few may say their spritual book has the best idea about god, truth, or about the way to live, and they may even say that others don’t have it right. But this has no more substance than a claim that Congress have the right idea about government, or that chocolate is the best flavor of ice cream..

In the end, people choose whatever makes the most sense, to them, or whatever they most like.

This how gurus might have collected and complied the banis ..

But believing that truth doesn't exist outside of 1400 pages is a naive statement .

 

[swarn bains]

truth is everywhere including you. you do not have to read or follow sggs if you have any doubt. follow the one you believe in that guides your mind the best

 

[Not2Cool2Argue]

The criteria for including bani into sggs was that, it had to be written/revealed when one was truly merged with the One. So it cant be thoughts of a person at the lower/mortal realm. Also it should not just be knowledge about God. But it should evoke, change one and bring about the experience of Oneness/God.

 

[Warriorlight]

there are administrators. i will trytanswer your question but i am not an administerator

Thanks Bhaji, I need to speak to an admin- it's a technical detail, do you know how I can contact them or what their username are so I can PM them? I've already messaged the user 'Admin' and sent them messages through contact form at bottom of the page but nothing. I'm getting upset a it's been days and no reply. If you know their usernames I can message them direct.

 

[Warriorlight]

truth is everywhere including you. you do not have to read or follow sggs if you have any doubt. follow the one you believe in that guides your mind the best

True words Bhaji

 

[A_seeker]

Authenticity of Gurbani (divine hymns) is measured in its realization not by its inclusion in a specific manuscript.

Inclusion of hymns other than of Sikh Gurus is a testimony that Gurbani is understood as Universal divine wisdom and not a sectarian property.

The Adi Granth is the canonized collection of divine words.Its mistake to claim that the only the shabad within the SGGS are gurbani and all others are not .

 

[swarn bains]

sabad is different than what you are trying to extract from sggs. all and any sabad in sggs is not what the guru gives to the student.

 

[swarn bains]

i might be the oldest person who comes to this forum. i have read bible, koran, bhagwat geeta, ramamyna. i read sggs hundrd of times. i translated it in english. available on amazon, xlibris. and hulu. but i am a devotee of my guru.