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Short-hair Ban On Gurudwara Marriages

Jun 18, 2005
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Very Good Reply from AMERI KAUR,

We are proud to have such ladies in our SIKH PANTH.
We should encourage our children to participate in SADH SANGAT, GURDWARA, OUR RELIGION, ETC.

Waheguru bhali karega.
 
Sep 11, 2005
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Change is that word which is mostly misunderstood.

It is due to change that there are hundreds of religions in this world .

It is due to change that we are in the Technology Era.

It is due to change that everything is happening.

Other wise we all of us would still have been living in the jungles live like nomads.

Change does not means Exchange , Convert , Compromise or Complacence .

For example if the Owners of this site change the Look and feel of the site then it doesn't means that from Sikh philosophy Network it has become Islam Philosophy Network.
 
Jul 30, 2004
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Gurfateh

When a person is one with eternal Akal who does not change so timeless then all apparent things look just unchaging as they are manifestation of truth only.

Then as eternal can by self can change eternals own form like we say move and make shapes on our fingers.

So with one who ios one with etranl and find nothing else but purly eteranl that is pure or Khalsa.Being one with eternal it becomes tool or form or manifeation of eternal which is agent of change.

Das wants to remind that 5 Beloved one were of gret sprituality so or fit to be Singh and Khalsa.

First they had to leave the love to life and were to follow Guru without there own brain but blindly and were ready to die then only due to thier strong faith they were given inmortality via amrit and Singh Khalsa was made as lator from same Guru took Amrit.

So without such heart and questoning the saying of Guru if we keep 5ks or Be Amritdhari then it is usless.First we need to have such spriutasl hight due to faith then only baptism or 5ks mean anything.

lastly it is not writtan in Guru Granth Sahib that Tenth Master included Bani of Ninth Master into Guru Granth Sahib but is dereived from other source.

If we can derive that from other sources then what is wrong to obey what Tenth Master told us to do(which is not directly mentioned) not in Guru Granth Sahib Ji.We can not be selctive or had Five beloved one being like that then Singh may not have been founded.And they wuold have run away like many others like Masands who complained about Guru to his Mother Mata Gujari.
 
Sep 11, 2005
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The Motivating Force behind all the Religions is the BRAIN of the Human beings.

If humans beings would have followed blindly , then this world would not have witnessed so many religions , and so many bloodsheds due to the religions.

If you say about Brain , then Animals don't have the brain , though they have the brain but not that which human beings have.

So , there is no Religion Among Animals , and they follow blindly the Nature or the AKal.
 
Sep 11, 2005
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Religious Addiction and Fanaticism is also one form of Kam which creates Moh towards that Kam , And interruption between the Religious Addiction causes Anger and Ultimately Ahankar of being Superior to others.

Youth are already drifting away from Religion due to such Voluminious and Heavily Loaded Lectures , and the Dictates of if you do this you are superior and if you don't do this you are inferior.
 
Jul 30, 2004
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Gurfateh

Dear DS,

Das would like to have your coments on thiese two.

1. what makes brain to work.
2. What composes the brain ie Brain is made up of what.

Das is realy impressed on your anlytical skills:)
 

lionprinceuk

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Interseting topic, what about people who grow their hair and beard just to look like a Sikh in front of Guru Sahib on their wedding, and cut it at the party?
 

xishveirx

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prajis/phenjis

I would like to express my view through several Questions:

1. Are we going to make a difference in the community by implementing this ban?

2. Who is going to enforce this ban?

3. For how long would this ban come to existence (feasability)?

All the answers are quite clear - for me at least. But I would like others to see that it is not a wise choice to support this ban.

I grew up with Sikh friends in a very non Sikh environment.
And I can tell you for sure that All of us had respect for Sikhi to a certain point. I have to agree that when it came to girls, they were grateful to not have turbans.

Generally, not many have the courage and confidence to live a life following Guru Gobind Singh Jis command.

To grow hair or not is an option influenced my many variables - family, personal choice, environment etc
Please do no argue with this logic as this is true. I do not have more supporting arguements for it but I feel strongly for what I have just typed.

In the end, let us not make enemies out of the already divided Sikh community.

Rab Rakha
 

24/7 Kaur

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I myself am a Mona being born and bred in the UK. 5 years ago I married my wife in a Gurdwara in Chandigarh sporting a Turban. It was the first day in my life I actually understood what a privilege it is to wear a turban.

During the wedding ceremony and the after party in the UK I still kept kesh and wore a Turban again during the wedding parties. My pictures around the house today show me with a beard and Turban. My daughter of 2 years still recognises me in the pictures, although I'm wearing a Turban. I feel because of these pictures she doesn’t think her nana ji is an alien because he wears a Turban.

Now I am facing dilemma. My son is 4 months old. How do I preach when I do not practice? I will not be cutting his hair and making that decision for him. My parents decided for me and I never had long hair from birth.

Our parents choose our religion. They educate and preach more than anyone else on the planet. I’ll do what I can for my children and educate what I know and understand about Sikhi. Will I have to explain to my son that he cannot marry in a Gurdwara if he cuts his hair? Will he understand? Will he care?

I know now, that one day soon I will be growing my hair and learning to tie a Turban all because I married in Gurdwara with 5 k’s.
 

drkhalsa

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I myself am a Mona being born and bred in the UK. 5 years ago I married my wife in a Gurdwara in Chandigarh sporting a Turban. It was the first day in my life I actually understood what a privilege it is to wear a turban.

During the wedding ceremony and the after party in the UK I still kept kesh and wore a Turban again during the wedding parties. My pictures around the house today show me with a beard and Turban. My daughter of 2 years still recognises me in the pictures, although I'm wearing a Turban. I feel because of these pictures she doesn’t think her nana ji is an alien because he wears a Turban.

Now I am facing dilemma. My son is 4 months old. How do I preach when I do not practice? I will not be cutting his hair and making that decision for him. My parents decided for me and I never had long hair from birth.

Our parents choose our religion. They educate and preach more than anyone else on the planet. I’ll do what I can for my children and educate what I know and understand about Sikhi. Will I have to explain to my son that he cannot marry in a Gurdwara if he cuts his hair? Will he understand? Will he care?

I know now, that one day soon I will be growing my hair and learning to tie a Turban all because I married in Gurdwara with 5 k’s.


Dear Singh ji

YOu have given really excellent aspect of sehajdhari marrying in gurdwara and and this is what i also think could be a purpose of such marrigoes in gurdawar to give people chance to taste sikhi and really happy for you

And you are right about your child it is his wish what ever he/she decide to be
but definately it would be difficult for you preach the physical aspect of sikhi but still if you are interested in sikhi then you can learn yourself and also teach you r child as there are many other things as well to learn in sikhi beside the physical aspect of it

Best of luck

Jatinder Singh
 
Jul 30, 2004
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Gurfateh
When a person who wears Turban and 5ks from being one who had hair cut.
People more and more respect him/her.

This is more from non Sikhs as Sikhs of the more test him/her to see that if he /she has engugh worth to keep that form with deeds also.

If Akal wants you can have it as das had it.:wah:
 

Singh13

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Nov 4, 2005
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I am not actually agree with this ban.its like we are saying to hair cut sikh that we don't want you F> U>. Thats not how we do it. They are also Sikh but for some reason they have their hair cut but we cannot descriminate them like that. Now who says someone is not a sikh if he has his hair cut. he might've been perform like sikh. Sikhi is not about your apperance that you see outside, it should be the same in inside as well. who is sure of those sikh who wear turban and have beard and stuff, that they are true sikh. They might be the bad one who do their things but no one looks at them like that because They have this appearance of a fine SIKH.
 

Singh13

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(New York, New York) April 1, 2006 - The Sikh Coalition is requesting urgent action to ensure a Sikh prisoner does not have his hair forcibly cut.
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I have never cut my hair in my life. For me, as a Sikh, the possibility of having my hair cut is like facing the death penalty"
WHAT YOU CAN DO
Please Take 1 Minute to Sign Our Online Petition and Ask Other People to Do So – Every time 100 people sign it, the Governor receives a notification that another 100 people have signed the petition;
Please E-mail Your Own Personal Message to the Governor and Department of Corrections – Personal messages make a difference!​
Please copy satnamsingh@sikhcoalition.org on the e-mail so that we have a record of how many personal messages Florida officials receive.
Timeline of Events
  • <LI class=bodytext1>Friday, March 24 - The Sikh Coalition receives a 35 page packet of information from Satnam Singh explaining that he will be transferred to a Florida state prison and that he is fearful his hair will be forcibly cut. The Coalition’s Legal Director reviews the packet and determines that Satnam Singh legitimately is in danger of having his hair forcibly cut. <LI class=bodytext1>Monday, March 27 - The Coalition writes to the Secretary of the Department of Corrections and his General Counsel arguing that cutting Satnam Singh’s hair would violate the law. <LI class=bodytext1>Monday, March 27 - The Coalition engages local Florida attorney and Treasurer of the Sikh Society of Florida, Arvind Singh, to rally local community support behind Satnam Singh and attempt to find him pro bono legal assistance. <LI class=bodytext1>Tuesday, March 28 - Arvind Singh contacts local civil rights organizations, such as the ACLU, Aleph Institute, Council on American Islamic Relations, and Florida Sikh activists to support Satnam Singh <LI class=bodytext1>Tuesday, March 28 - Coalition faxes a formal letter to Governor Jeb Bush, requesting he intervene in this matter <LI class=bodytext1>Wednesday, March 29 - The Coalition’s Legal Director speaks to attorneys from the Aleph Institute and the ACLU of Florida to request their assistance. <LI class=bodytext1>Wednesday, March 29 - The Coalition puts together an online petition that will e-mail the Governor and the Department of Corrections every 100 times it is signed. Coalition requests Sikh organizations all over the world to join effort <LI class=bodytext1>Thursday, March 30 - Over 100 Sikh and non-Sikh organizations around the world respond to Coalition’s request to sign petition to Governor Bush of Florida.
  • Thursday, March 30 - The Aleph Institute agrees to formally provide assistance on this matter. </SPAN>
The prisoner, Satnam Singh, is presently incarcerated at a federal prison in Ohio. He will be transferred to a Florida state prison on or after April 9, 2006. Florida prison regulations require male prisoners to cut their hair to a “medium length” and allow prison officials to forcibly cut their hair if they refuse to comply. Urgent action is therefore needed to stop Florida prison officials from forcibly cutting his hair.
Background
Satnam Singh was convicted in federal court and Florida state court of criminal use of personal identification information, a non-violent offense. He was sentenced to five years imprisonment in Florida and a three year federal sentence. As a result of good behavior, his federal sentence has been reduced by 216 days.
At present, Satnam is housed in a low security federal prison in Youngstown, Ohio. Throughout his stay in federal prison, he has been allowed to maintain his unshorn hair neatly in his turban. He does not have a negative disciplinary record. His Federal Bureau of Prisons Progress Report states that he “approaches staff in a polite and respectful manner” and “has maintained clear conduct since his incarceration.”
Satnam is scheduled to be released to a Florida state prison on or after April 9, 2006 where he will have to be submitted to having his hair cut forcibly if he refuses to voluntarily submit to having his hair cut and beard shaved completely off.
Florida’s Prison Regulations and Federal Court Decision Allow Prisons to Forcibly Cut an Inmate’s Hair
Florida state prison regulations, unlike the regulations of other states, requires prisoners to cut their hair and allows prison officials to forcibly cut their hair if they refuse to do so. Chapter 33-602.101(4) of the Florida Administrative Code states that “[m]ale inmates shall have their hair cut short to medium uniform length at all times….” The section also states that “[a]ll inmates shall be clean shaven, provided, however that an exemption from this requirement shall be granted on the basis of a medial diagnosis….” If an inmate refuses to adhere to these grooming standards, even for faith-based reasons, the officer in charge “shall direct staff to shave the inmate or cut the inmate’s hair” according the Chapter 602.101(5).
In addition, in Brunskill v. Boyd, a case decided in May 2005, the federal court of appeals for the 11 th Circuit, held that a Florida prison could forcibly cut a Native American’s hair even if he refused to do so for religious reasons. The court held that his hair could be cut despite the protections granted by the federal Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA) which provides the highest legal standard or protection for the religious rights of prison inmates.
Time is of the Essence
In less than ten days from now Satnam’s beard could be forcibly shaved and his hair cut. We need your help now! Please take action immediately by signing our online petition and writing to the Governor of Florida and the Secretary of the Department of Corrections. Please be sure to copy satnamsingh@sikhcoalition.org on any correspondence.
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We urge all Sikhs to practice their faith fearlessly. If someone tells you to remove your articles of faith, please report the incident online at www.sikhcoalition.org/ListReports.asp.
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh!
 

rajsikh

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Aug 1, 2005
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Re: "Short-hair" Ban on Gurdwara Marriages

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh

Das can say it is good to Ban marrige of Patits in Gurudwara but let Sahijdharis like from Hindu or Muslims or other non Sikh family can be allowed to use Gurudwaras for Marrige as per Anand Karaj Ceromony.

Like Karisham Kapur inspite of being from Hindu family got marrige by Sikh Anand Karaj.That is more a way to preach Panth to outsiders.

Das is also afarid that now Patits will go to pandits for marriage and thier wifes will wear Mangal Sutra and childern will have mundan but if they were allowed in Gurudwara to marry at least thier wife could still have had 5Ks and sons/doughters too.
These kind of ban would complicate the situation more.I mean to say look at Chirstians thay are so divided on different isssues,which resulted in so many different christian groups.
 

Randip Singh

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There's a new ban on "short-haired" people getting married in the gurdwara.

Discuss. (I'll post my views soon).


I think its ridicoulous.

Monay's all come round to my house to get married because I have the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji here. :rofl!!:

This has to be the most ridicoulous thing I have heard of all times.

Let us accept that Sikhs are diverse.........If we are going to ban Mona's I suggest we ban any beard trimmed Sikhs, dyed hair etc too.

FRom a progressive faith we are going Medieval methinks.
 

serinakaur

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Sep 26, 2006
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Totally agree with you bhanji,

we have to look at a persons self discipline at the internal level rather then just get caught up on the physical, but unfortunately that is something only the knower of our hearts, guruji/Waheguruji or a Santji can do. So we are not in any position to judge, restrict others from enjoying the blessing of marriage inclusive of guruji and his blessings.

If we really want to kill our faith and our faith in others to change, then this ban will surely go a long long way to just that. Our youth today are struggling with so many issues already, if we reject them outright, (when many of there parents never intented to take amrit until they hit their 60's at least) then we literally have lost most of our new generation. Enforcing our faith on others is not the sikh way it something we have always fought against, forcing amrit on others is not what we do because its a love that is inspired. When its inspired from the very core the chances are it will last for life times(because liberation isn't achieved in one lifetime- just look at the life times of past Sants that have merged, it takes several lifetimes at least.)

So we cannot force others to keep their hair, but with the right encouragement, with an attitude to welcome rather the deter, maybe internal love to fully embrace sikhi will occur.

GURFATEH!

serina kaur.
 

serinakaur

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Sep 26, 2006
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Totally agree with you bhanji,

we have to look at a persons self discipline at the internal level rather then just get caught up on the physical, but unfortunately that is something only the knower of our hearts, guruji/Waheguruji or a Santji can do. So we are not in any position to judge, restrict others from enjoying the blessing of marriage inclusive of guruji and his blessings.

If we really want to kill our faith and our faith in others to change, then this ban will surely go a long long way to just that. Our youth today are struggling with so many issues already, if we reject them outright, (when many of there parents never intented to take amrit until they hit their 60's at least) then we literally have lost most of our new generation. Enforcing our faith on others is not the sikh way it something we have always fought against, forcing amrit on others is not what we do because its a love that is inspired. When its inspired from the very core the chances are it will last for life times(because liberation isn't achieved in one lifetime- just look at the life times of past Sants that have merged, it takes several lifetimes at least.)

So we cannot force others to keep their hair, but with the right encouragement, with an attitude to welcome rather the deter, maybe internal love to fully embrace sikhi will occur.

GURFATEH!

serina kaur.
 

rajsikh

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Aug 1, 2005
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Who gives a damn! If these singhs don’t want us short hair people getting married in their gurdwara, then we short hair people will find another place to get married.
its better everyone resolve matter bytalking instead of bycotting
 

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