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Amrit Vela - Why We Must Put It Into Practice To Hear The Inner Shabad And For Inner Cleansing

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Lol I never meditate. I only try to introspect and truthfully admit mistakes done and try to mend. For me this is meditation and truthfully bhagti. I am most of the time in sehj.

Sahni Sahib,
Guru Fateh.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The plague of this kind of meditation where one parrots -Lady Gaga or any other word endlessly started with Maharishi, the Beatles Guru and spread like a wildfire. The rest is history. One can feel the transitory trance by repeating any word but let's be honest here, this has nothing to do with Gurmat values. All 1429/30 pages of SGGS is meditation.

Thanks for the reminder.

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you say 'used to' ... why no longer?

There was a time when i read a lot about meditation techniques...watched videos on the subject, researched online...etc etc...

although it was good, and worthwhile as it kept my mind on 'seeking' ... in the end i realized i just needed to reduce the number of distractions hence why Amrit Vela was perfect...no sounds, dark room, no distractions... just you...then i poured my heart out...i've learnt more about myself...life...during these nightly hours than at any other time....

I still go into Sunn samadhi at Amrit vela, before I used to mediate in the day and go into it also.

The truth is, that were really always in samadhi, the world is a dream and life is a test. Going deeper, we reach back into the first world, our true origin.

Bandgi, doing good deeds, being a truly good soul is great meditation within itself.
 

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Lol I never meditate. I only try to introspect and truthfully admit mistakes done and try to mend. For me this is meditation and truthfully bhagti. I am most of the time in sehj.

True, like the First King taught, Truth is high but higher still is Truthful living.

Meditation at Amrit vela is divine which is why he taught us to do it.

We learn things in meditation and bring those lessons into our daily lives.
 

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ācẖā sāhib sācẖ nā▫e bẖākẖi▫ā bẖā▫o apār.
True is the Master, True is His Name-speak it with infinite love.

ਆਖਹਿ ਮੰਗਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦਾਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਦਾਤਾਰੁ
आखहि मंगहि देहि देहि दाति करे दातारु ॥
Ākẖahi mangahi ḏehi ḏehi ḏāṯ kare ḏāṯār.
People beg and pray, "Give to us, give to us", and the Great Giver gives His Gifts.

ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਅਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ
फेरि कि अगै रखीऐ जितु दिसै दरबारु ॥
Fer kė agai rakẖī▫ai jiṯ ḏisai ḏarbār.
So what offering can we place before Him, by which we might see the Darbaar of His Court?

ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ
मुहौ कि बोलणु बोलीऐ जितु सुणि धरे पिआरु ॥
Muhou kė bolaṇ bolī▫ai jiṯ suṇ ḏẖare pi▫ār.
What words can we speak to evoke His Love?

ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ
अम्रित वेला सचु नाउ वडिआई वीचारु ॥
Amriṯ velā sacẖ nā▫o vadi▫ā▫ī vīcẖār.
In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness.

ਕਰਮੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਪੜਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ
करमी आवै कपड़ा नदरी मोखु दुआरु ॥
Karmī āvai kapṛā naḏrī mokẖ ḏu▫ār.
By the karma of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found.

ਨਾਨਕ ਏਵੈ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਸਚਿਆਰੁ ॥੪॥
नानक एवै जाणीऐ सभु आपे सचिआरु ॥४॥
Nānak evai jāṇī▫ai sabẖ āpe sacẖiār. ||4||
O Nanak, know this well: the True One Himself is All. ||4||

Read Guru Granth Sahib Ji!

It's there to be Read and Applied, not just bowed down to every so often.

The Gyan is Guru, how can u bow down to the Gyan(Guru) if u dont even know what it is..
 

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Sikhilove ji,

Guru fateh.

"Read Guru Granth Sahib Ji!

It's there to be Read and Applied, not just bowed down to every so often.

The Gyan is Guru, how can u bow down to the Gyan(Guru) if u dont even know what it is.."

Pardon my ignorance, but I have no idea what you mean and please try not to undermine our seekers by
concluding on your own as if they do not know what they are talking about.
Guru Nanak taught us to be conversationalists. Let's adhere to his vision.
Please elaborate your thought so we can all learn from it.

Thanks & regards
Tejwant Singh
 

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Sikhilove ji,

Guru fateh.

"Read Guru Granth Sahib Ji!

It's there to be Read and Applied, not just bowed down to every so often.

The Gyan is Guru, how can u bow down to the Gyan(Guru) if u dont even know what it is.."

Pardon my ignorance, but I have no idea what you mean and please try not to undermine our seekers by
concluding on your own as if they do not know what they are talking about.
Guru Nanak taught us to be conversationalists. Let's adhere to his vision.
Please elaborate your thought so we can all learn from it.

Thanks & regards
Tejwant Singh

My post speaks for itself. On the first few pages on Gurbani it instructs us to wake up at Amrit vela and to meditate on Naam/ Truth.

How can one claim to be a Sikh of the Guru if they can't read the first few pages of His teachings?

Not even the whole Granth, but at Least the first few pages..

Unless JapjiSahibJi is a new learner, in which case it's understandable & I must apologise.
 

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My post speaks for itself. On the first few pages on Gurbani it instructs us to wake up at Amrit vela and to meditate on Naam/ Truth.

How can one claim to be a Sikh of the Guru if they can't read the first few pages of His teachings?

Not even the whole Granth, but at Least the first few pages..

Sikhilove ji,

Guru Fateh.

If your post spoke for itself, then there would be no reason to ask you then.

Let me simplify it for you. Which Vela-Time is not for Amrit- Guru Shabad then.

Are you trying to claim that the sevadaars in Bangladesh who are helping the refugees only do seva in the early hours in the morning because they are practising Sach Naam 24/7?
What is the discrepancy here?
 

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Sikhilove ji,

Guru Fateh.

If your post spoke for itself, then there would be no reason to ask you then.

Let me simplify it for you. Which Vela-Time is not for Amrit- Guru Shabad then.

Are you trying to claim that the sevadaars in Bangladesh who are helping the refugees only do seva in the early hours in the morning because they are practising Sach Naam 24/7?
What is the discrepancy here?

Youre right, Truth Practice is 24/7, we are in constant Samadhi and one hole of doubt in practice is detrimental to staying on the path.

However, Amrit Vela is the most powerful time to go into deep meditation. The Gurus did it, Saints from the past and present do it.

What u can learn in deeper meditation is divine. Try it and see.
 

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Youre right, Truth Practice is 24/7, we are in constant Samadhi and one hole of doubt in practice is detrimental to staying on the path.

However, Amrit Vela is the most powerful time to go into deep meditation. The Gurus did it, Saints from the past and present do it.

What u can learn in deeper meditation is divine. Try it and see.

Please respond to my question in a specific manner as asked. Which Vela is not for Amrit? Thanks.
 

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I still go into Sunn samadhi at Amrit vela, before I used to mediate in the day and go into it also.
Guru Nanak very well knew that mind cannot be silenced thus it is total waste of time to think of 'sunn' state. Different rituals were being performed to silence the manh in a futile manner, thus gurbani guides us let your mind keep on chattering but be it divinely inspired i.e. uthat baithat sovait jagat and achieve eternal stablity.
 
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Guru Nanak very well knew that mind cannot be silenced thus it is total waste of time to think of 'sunn' state. Different rituals were being performed to silence the manh in a futile manner, thus gurbani guides us let your mind keep on chattering but be it divinely inspired i.e. uthat baithat sovait jagat and achieve eternal stablity.

Sir,

You're absolutely right ! Guru Nanak knew that if a wandering mind was all too difficult to silence then a focused mind was worth struggling for and hence the reason "nam simran", a Sikh doctrine was developed. Early hours of the morning is not only recommended but practiced universally. Sadly, you wouldn't know the benefits coz you too busy making profits, hey !

Sikhilove hinted that you should switch from making profits to accruing benefits through regular meditation. Gora folks have gone bliss ticks over meditation, they've found what you've lost.

Meditation in the West is hailed as a panacea for many ills. It is taught worldwide as a cure for emotional distress and a recipe for happiness. Guru Nanak on page 1329, SGGSJ qualifies early morning meditation [amrit vela] as a must:

...give up love of the world n devote thyself to meditation on shabd at ambrosial hour [ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੈ]

ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ........... ਨਾਉ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਛੋਡਹੁ ਦੁਨੀ ਪਰੀਤਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਣਵਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸਨਿ ਦਾਸਾ ਜਗਿ ਹਾਰਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਜੀਤਾ ॥੪॥੯॥ [SGGSJ,1329].

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Sir,

You're absolutely right ! Guru Nanak knew that if a wandering mind was all too difficult to silence then a focused mind was worth struggling for and hence the reason "nam simran", a Sikh doctrine was developed. Early hours of the morning is not only recommended but practiced universally. Sadly, you wouldn't know the benefits coz you too busy making profits, hey !

Sikhilove hinted that you should switch from making profits to accruing benefits through regular meditation. Gora folks have gone bliss ticks over meditation, they've found what you've lost.

Meditation in the West is hailed as a panacea for many ills. It is taught worldwide as a cure for emotional distress and a recipe for happiness. Guru Nanak on page 1329, SGGSJ qualifies early morning meditation [amrit vela] as a must:

...give up love of the world n devote thyself to meditation on shabd at ambrosial hour [ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੈ]

ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ........... ਨਾਉ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਛੋਡਹੁ ਦੁਨੀ ਪਰੀਤਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਣਵਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸਨਿ ਦਾਸਾ ਜਗਿ ਹਾਰਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਜੀਤਾ ॥੪॥੯॥ [SGGSJ,1329].

Goodnight

Original ji,

Guru fateh,

Firstly, I have always enjoyed your allegorical oratory whether it makes sense or not, case in point, this very one.

...give up love of the world n devote thyself to meditation on shabd at ambrosial hour [ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੈ]

Please post the whole Shabad with your own understanding as is required here so we can all learn from your Sikhi wisdom.Thanks.

We may disagree upon your translation of the one-liner, "ਨਾਉ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਛੋਡਹੁ ਦੁਨੀ ਪਰੀਤਾ ", but I get it, maybe not.
Yes, [ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੈ] does mean early hours in the morning and that's all where it begins and end.

There is nothing called meditation in Sikhi. More importantly, the subject is Amritvela which is nowhere to be found in your one-liner with its misleading translation in English.
Am I missing something?

Goodnight.

Tejwant Singh
 
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Guru Nanak knew that if a wandering mind was all too difficult to silence then a focused mind was worth struggling for and hence the reason "nam simran", a Sikh doctrine was developed.
Interesting focusing mind! But where to focus on one word, murti or within ourselves where the treasure of virtues lies as guru nanak says, 'nanak likhiya naal'
 
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Interesting focusing mind! But where to focus on one word, murti or within ourselves where the treasure of virtues lies as guru nanak says, 'nanak likhiya naal'
Sir, I'm pleased the "focused mind" has taken your interest ! Gur Ghar calls this process "nam simran", where the nam is Waheguru [gurmantar, the word] and the simran is remembrance thereof. The adept is required to practice regular sessions of mindful attention, which has a calming effect on the amygdala [brain's emotion processor] and help reduce impulsive reactions to all the neg cons.

Summarised below are some of the benefits associated with regular focused mind:

1. boost altruistic behaviour
2. increase happier moods
3. cultivates enduring qualities: selflessness, equanimity and compassion
4. enables the mind to pick up subliminal msges that are otherwise hidden in the
subconscious part of the brain
5. sharpens conscious awareness

If I may add, all this is found 'within ourselves where the treasure of virtues lies', as you've correctly quoted for once.

Much obliged !
 

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Gur Ghar calls this process "nam simran", where the nam is Waheguru [gurmantar, the word] and the simran is remembrance thereof. The adept is required to practice regular sessions of mindful attention, which has a calming effect on the amygdala [brain's emotion processor] and help reduce impulsive reactions to all the neg cons
Original Jee gurbani does not suggest to focus mind on one word rather it says, 'ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਪਰਦੇਸੀ ਵੇ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਆਉ ਘਰੇ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਮਿਲਾਵਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਘਰਿ ਵਸੈ ਹਰੇ ॥ Leave dehdhari guru and come back home and explore the treasure within by yourselves and live accordingly.' After all purpose of life is to be truthful and by focusing mind on one word we cannot be truthful to ourselves.
 

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Sir,

Guru Gobind Singh put an end to "dehdhari" guru by conferring the same on to SGGSJ in 1708. This meant the shabd contained in SGGSJ was the Guru and there was to be no more dehdhari gurus. But up until then there was the institution "guru-chela" from the time of Baba Nanak right through until Guru Gobind Singh. Would you agree with that ?

Rgds
 

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Original Jee

Let me clarify since Guru Nanak says his guru was 'sabd guru surat dhun chelya' over here cheyla was his surat and guru was his inner voice and gurbani is written as descended upon them in poetic form, so its interpretation and understanding was left to individual
 

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Let me clarify since Guru Nanak says his guru was 'sabd guru surat dhun chelya' over here cheyla was his surat and guru was his inner voice and gurbani is written as descended upon them in poetic form, so its interpretation and understanding was left to individual
Sir

You've called Nanak, "Guru Nanak". Why ?
 
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