Meditation, Why I do not do it... Anymore...

harry haller · #1 (**permalink**) 05-Sep-2012, 19:18 PM

Gurfateh

Yesterday, I meditated. I used to meditate before, long ago, but have avoided it for the pure reason that although I found it hugely interesting, it also became very addictive, and towards the end, I did not feel I was getting anything out of it that was increasing my knowledge.

So, after paying tribute to the SPN kings of meditation, namely Bhagatji, Luckyji and Chazji, I meditated.
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For me to meditate, I concentrate on my heart, its beating, and my breathing, everything stops, time stops, all there is, all that exists, is my heartbeat and my breathing, after a time, I am sitting on a virtual mountain top, and then all I can see is blackness, I feel like I have an eagle eye view of the universe, looking down all I can see are swirls of light, planets, moons, it is like a celestial lucid dream, I am in complete control, I surf the rings of Saturn, I dig deep under the red sands of Mars, swim in crystal clear waters, spinning round like a dervish, I break the water, into a cavern of absolute purity and peace, sometimes I hear voices, whispers, singing, it goes on for hours and hours, when I finish, I feel alive, happy.

In my view, highly addictive, nothing has been gained, no one has been helped, no situation has been changed, all I have done is swim inside my own mind for a few hours, no new knowledge has been gained, no deeper connection made, do it long enough, the desire to live and interact in the real word diminishes, the ability to make a difference, to act, ceases, the need to hide away in a fantasy world increases, until you do find yourself sitting on top of a mountain, with no family, no job, no friends, nothing, other than the light show that you have found yourself addicted to
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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 05-Sep-2012, 19:49 PM

For ME.."Meditation" is the WAY Guru nanak Ji taught us...

Make HABITUAL ACTION... the FIELD...the SHABAD the SEED..the Water of TRUTH irrigation......
Become a Farmer and GROW FAITH...and GYAAN of the real Heaven/hell will PROSPER INSIDE YOU...

MY Habitual ACTIONS..daily REHAT ..is what I DO DAILY...getting up early, waking up the family..sending them to school office work...schooling those who come to learn...drive safely and happily..waving and smiling to all...helping the needy..giving lifts..carrying old ladies marketing baskets...helping a begging child old man old woman sick dog..bleeding kitten..whatever crosses my path...reading the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..practsie a little kirtan..matha tek at the local gurdwara..meet up and discuss punjab politics pakhandi ababs..whatever..visit SPN ANZ sikhs Sikhs sydney, sikh youth google around the globe..wikimapia..sikhwiki..etc etc..Rozana Spokesman etc etc..write a few mails..help a few computer aided designers software makers seeking my help..fund some get from some..distribute some..gather some..always keeping TRUTH..SATNAAM..TRUTHFUL LIVING..SACHA ACHAAR...compassion DYA..HIS CREATION HIS NATURE HIS ENVIRONMENT HIS CREATURES big and small in VIEW...and when after rehrass MY TIME... and ardass close the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for the night and watch a few movies/serials on satelite tv gurbani form amritsar etc WITH INDIAN REHRASS....and sohila and a good nights sleep.. close and settle all my ACCOUNTS..lain-deaan.....just in case theres NO TOMORROW...
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I DONT have a dungeon..BHORA..or a sound proof room or den for sitting down in darkness or led lighting etc for the OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM OMMMMMMMM OMMM type of meditation...no time for that. Every Single Moment must be spent in ACTIVE TRUTHFUL LIVING...OUTSIDE and INSIDE...not bahron hor anderon hor...as Gurbani already warned me...

Ambarsaria · #3 (**permalink**) 05-Sep-2012, 20:02 PM

Harry Haller veer ji of course you meditate every day. Let me explain.

If God wanted us to ensure the following consciously by us as,

Keep the heart beating
Keep the lungs breathing
Keep the heart, lungs and such within ranges suitable
Keep the body chemical balances within ranges
Absorb and excrete
etc.

What are the chances any of us would be living? Pretty close to nil from what I can tell. So creator took no chances.

Similarly for the mind as supported by the above infrastructure if,

We had to think to control all innumerable muscles individually to do simple things
We had to think to put self to sleep by force or stay awake forever
We had to dispose of each and every thought from mind consciously and individually from the conscious
etc.

What are the chances there will be any sane people walking around. Rather Zombies from what I can think of. So to take care of the mind turmoil creator created sleep. Sleep is not one endless and non mind embracing activity. Dreams are a proof of that. It is an internal and autonomous mechanism that has aspects of meditation already built in.

Did you ever feel like the following in a dream?

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............. then all I can see is blackness, I feel like I have an eagle eye view of the universe, looking down all I can see are swirls of light, planets, moons, it is like a celestial lucid dream, I am in complete control, I surf the rings of Saturn, I dig deep under the red sands of Mars, swim in crystal clear waters, spinning round like a dervish, I break the water, into a cavern of absolute purity and peace, sometimes I hear voices, whispers, singing, it goes on for hours and hours, when I finish, I feel alive, happy.

mundahugmundahug

I am sure many have some of above in dreams and few remember. I would call that autonomous meditation.

Hence I am sure we autonomously meditate as and when needed unconsciously while we may remember a few such experiences. So brother you cannot stop meditating, just not on your terms. It is as innate as an autonomous heartbeat.

Do we need extra exercise like meditating equivalent to cardio-vascular? May be yes and may be not. But the minimum is autonomously carried out beyond our controls.

Any thoughts!

Sat Sri Akal.

harry haller · #4 (**permalink**) 05-Sep-2012, 20:12 PM

Ambarsariaji

I like reading your posts, I always learn something new about concepts I thought I had a handle on, your comments above are the crackling on my pork belly!
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autonomous meditation! kaurhug

Kanwaljit Singh · #5 (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2012, 00:43 AM

I think meditation calms your mind. You learn to sort and handle things as they come to you. You learn how peaceful mind thinks better than an agitated one. Something like Sehaj.

Luckysingh · #6 (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2012, 04:31 AM

cheerleader

A rather amusing post about your experience!!
Harryji, if you can't get your heart into it, then you just won't be able to do the real thing.
It's just like anything else for eg. doing ghatka. There are many of the young boys that try and pursue it but they just can't get their mind into it. It's not all about strength and co-ordination but swinging the shastars also involves a great deal of relaxation!!
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Just letting your body and shastar go hand in hand whilst keeping a focus but having no emotions get in the way, is this kind of relaxed state, a little similar to what professional dancers do except they let the music or the beat carry them forward.

If we can't get our hearts or be fully determined to succeed in any of these kind of activities, then it becomes difficult to near impossible for most.

To expect too much from yourself or to expect results with every activity is not a wise way to be moving forward.
We shouldn't ever expect too much or anything rewarding in our daily lives for that matter. If positive results or rewards come then we should be thankful and accept them as bonuses.
This manner of expecting good and rewards only helps to fool and pave way for our own Ego.

Remember, every encounter or activity is always an experience in some way. Trying an activity that one is not suited for or is ready for yet is like having an experience that teaches you that it's not your path.

It's the way that creator experiences the whole of creation through our very own experiences.

harry haller · #7 (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2012, 13:21 PM

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Harryji, if you can't get your heart into it, then you just won't be able to do the real thing.

and thats what I do now Luckyji, the real thing

Luckysingh · #8 (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2012, 13:42 PM

Harryji, putting your heart in any activity is what I was trying to imply, not just meditating.
As I mentioned people doing ghatra and dancing, lets say,--although they require physical strength and endurance, they still have to let their minds relax and then just let the activity or it's natural rhythm take over.... to just let it happen
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If they don't have their heart in it then it becomes difficult toget to this relaxed state where it feels more ''real''

harry haller · #9 (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2012, 14:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckysingh

Harryji, putting your heart in any activity is what I was trying to imply, not just meditating.
As I mentioned people doing ghatra and dancing, lets say,--although they require physical strength and endurance, they still have to let their minds relax and then just let the activity or it's natural rhythm take over.... to just let it happen
If they don't have their heart in it then it becomes difficult toget to this relaxed state where it feels more ''real''

I get your point brother, and have the hugest respect for your writings, however, personally, I would rather spend 5 mins in the real world than 5 hours surfing the rings of Saturn. I have taken meditation as far as I believe it can be taken, out of body experiences, the lot, yes it is relaxing, no, I do not believe it has any learning effect at all. peacesignkaur