Re: Why Not Yoga Practices
jag1t ji says"
Appears we are making progress on this forum thanks to worthy contributors.
It seems that our Gurus were not against Yog per se but against the (outward) physical activities and symbolism of Yog of those times. Instead, their view is that Yog (Jog) be practiced (earned) with the help of Truth, sincerety and meditation etc. Also to the best of my recollection in Gurbani are words to the effect, "Nanak jivtyan mar jawna aisa jog kama". Again not saying no to Yog but giving a concept of doing (earning) Jog.
Yog has evolved over time immemorial and continues to do so. There were times and even today there are proponents who emphasise merely the physical aspects of Yog. However without going into the various forms and aspects of Yog we can consider perhaps the most scientific proponent of Yog, Maharishi Patanjali.
Yog as propogated by him is known as Raaj Yog or Ashtaang Yog (The Eightfold Path to Yog). It consists of Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranyama, Pratihaar, Dhyan and Samadhi. Dhyan or Meditation can be taken to be the key to this Yog. All parts lead on to Dhyan and in Dhyan, Samadhi may happen. Samadhi is nothing else except the union of the soul (individual) with the soul (Universal). Jyoti jyot ralli, jall mein jall thia Raam.
In this form of Yog, Asana which are taken by some to be the corner stone of Yog, are covered essentilly in three words - Sthir Sukham Asanam. On the other hand, Yes there is an emphasis on having a clean and healthy body and mind, withdrawl (control) over the senses and concentration of mind . Because these have found to be of great help in acheiving dhyan or meditation. We all can imagine how difficult it might be to do dhyan if one is having a headache a fever or worse.
So whereas Gurbani has asked for meditation Yog shows one way to it. Therefore Yog in this sense and Gurbani are not contrarion but in fact supplement each other."
jag1t ji,
Guru Ji says Raaj Yog happens- NOT PRACTICED. As Atma is always connected with Parmatma, yog/jog is always there but Haumai doesn't let this truth experienced. Guru Ji teaches us to become truthfull, so that ego is killed and the reality is felt.
Yog is the union - not the achievement.
Yog is already there- we need to feel it.
And for this one Need to Understand Gurbani 'THE ULTIMATE TRUTH' and then practice that truth.
jog is not something that a person does or achieve, it happens with Guru's Grace- it is Gurprasaad :
Raaj Lila tere naam ban aee jog banya tera keertan gaaee
kateeai tera ahen rog gur parsaad kar raaj jog
aisaa koi jo dubidhaa maar gavaave eisai maar raaj jog kamaave
and Guru Ji says about parnyama and assanaa:
paath pareo ar bed beechaareo nival bhengam saadhe panch janaa seo sang na chutkeo adhik ahanbudh baadhe
according to Guru Sahib, paraynama increases EGO.
jog sidh aasan chauraasi eh bhi kar kar raheyaa vaddi aarja fir fir janme har seo sang na gaheya
according to Guru sahib, assana is also not assisting in any other real purpose but increasing human life span. no experience of reality through these practices of pryanaama and assana.
your words ones again:
But what about experience. Tasting a single grain of mustard is of more consequence than seeing a camel load.
Sikhs are human. Therefore what applies to humans also applies to Sikhs. Spiritually (not necessarily religously), it is generally taken that the goal is union of the human individual soul with God, the universal soul.
Yog is thousands of years old Gurbani is hundreds.
On this forum, as expected there is considerable awareness and knowledge about Gurbani. But about Yog ?
Could we please do something about this so called gurmukhi script, or whatever, cant make sense of it and takes up too much space particularly with the long quotes being made, for whatever purpose.
Aad ji: Agree with you and am NOT asking that the Gurmukhi script be dispensed with.
But it is the script as appearing in blue in the thread above which i cant read. Anyway guess it is not essential and one can learn to live with that.
Am getting the gurmukhi script ok and appreciate that.
"Nanak jivtyan mar jawna aisa jog kama". Again not saying no to Yog but giving a concept of doing (earning) Jog.
It seems like you are acting exactly like Chandu(who made Guru Ji Sit on Tatti Tawi), nothing else. As these words are nothing but I guess you are offering a tatti tawi of words. Well it didn't work then, it is not going to work now- GURBANI, THE TRUTH stays. This jewel will always be shining.
Gurbani is jag meh chaanan.
te je kisse nu eh baani to alergy hove ta usda vi Waheguru raakha, everything happens under His Hukam, may be the time hasn't come yet.
Guru Sahib De Pavan Shabad- ik khin hirde shaant na aavey jogi bahur bahur uth dhaavey
Sukh Saager Har Naam hai Gurmukh Paayaa Jaae andin naam dheaaeeay sahje naam samaaeay
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji kI Fateh
