Who Wants To Become A Raagi?

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all!

The reverent Gurus asked mind to become BairAgee (without rAg). They also confirmed that a rAgee does not, please God.
Surprise. They are training Sikhs to become rAgees these days. Please explain it. Why?


Balbir Singh

 

[simpy]

Re: Who wants to become a rAagee?

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all!

The reverent Gurus asked mind to become BairAgee (without rAg). They also confirmed that a rAgee does not, please God.
Surprise. They are training Sikhs to become rAgees these days. Please explain it. Why?


Balbir Singh

Respected Vir Balbir Singh Ji,


endless thanks to you for being with us.


Bairaag is DETAICHMENT FROM THE WORLD. it is not without raag, sir. And even if you call it without RAAG, YES IT IS WITHOUT THE RAAG OF MAYA.


not understanding some other faith, must not lead to make fun of their values and their interpretations. Live your own and let live others theirs.

As God is not only with you alone, it is ALL.


And KIRTAN is not only sacred to the SIKHS, it is sacred to many(may be called different).





forgive me please

 

[simpy]

Re: Who wants to become a rAagee?

Dhan Dhan Guru Sahibaan ne Bani nu gaa gaa ke punjab di dharti nu pavittar kita hai.

saade manna nu eh Bani har vailaey pavittar kar rahee hai.

nasamjhan vaaley vee bahut han te shamjhan vaaley apnaa dharam chchud ke Gurbani de magar lagadey chaley aa rahe han.

Bhai chaman lal vargey kai Gurmukh ban ke sikh bhes vi kayam kari baithai han.

nindak nind nind ke bhaar vi charra rahe han.

nindak nind nind ke saadee mail vee dho rahe han.

SARI KARTAAR DI NIRAALI KHED HAI.

ASI BEDH KE ANAND NAAL DEKH RAHE HAAN.

 

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Re: Who wants to become a rAagee?

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

RAg also means worldly attachment. RAgee also means attached to Maya.

GurbAnee says nwim rqy sdw bYrwgI ]
"naam ratay sadaa bairaagee." SGGS Ang 230-16
Imbued in Naam are always without attachment.

Please listen, Guru RAmdAs Jee koeI gwvY rwgI nwdI bydI bhu Bwiq kir nhI hir hir BIjY rwm rwjy ]
"ko-ee gaavai raagee naadee baydee baho bhaat kar nahee har har bheejai raam raajay." SGGS Ang 450-12
Some sing as RAgee, NAdee or Baydee in many ways. Neither Hari Hari pleases nor RAm gets satisfied.

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Surinder Jee wrote "not understanding some other faith, must not lead to make fun of their values and their interpretations. Live your own and let live others theirs."
I am not pointing some other's faith. Faith is anyway an illusion, not the Truth.
I am referring Guru's Statements.

Quote "As God is not only with you alone, it is ALL."
Please do not leave me alone when find God in ALL. By the way topic is 'if the Gurus ever suggested anyone to become a RAgee'.
Someone, who is well read, may please provide a reference from the Gurus. I will be grateful.


Balbir Singh

 

[simpy]

Re: Who wants to become a rAagee?

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

RAg also means worldly attachment. RAgee also means attached to Maya.

GurbAnee says nwim rqy sdw bYrwgI ]
"naam ratay sadaa bairaagee." SGGS Ang 230-16
Imbued in Naam are always without attachment.

Please listen, Guru RAmdAs Jee koeI gwvY rwgI nwdI bydI bhu Bwiq kir nhI hir hir BIjY rwm rwjy ]
"ko-ee gaavai raagee naadee baydee baho bhaat kar nahee har har bheejai raam raajay." SGGS Ang 450-12
Some sing as RAgee, NAdee or Baydee in many ways. Neither Hari Hari pleases nor RAm gets satisfied.

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Surinder Jee wrote "not understanding some other faith, must not lead to make fun of their values and their interpretations. Live your own and let live others theirs."
I am not pointing some other's faith. Faith is anyway an illusion, not the Truth.
I am referring Guru's Statements.

Quote "As God is not only with you alone, it is ALL."
Please do not leave me alone when find God in ALL. By the way topic is 'if the Gurus ever suggested anyone to become a RAgee'.
Someone, who is well read, may please provide a reference from the Gurus. I will be grateful.


Balbir Singh

Respected Veer Balbir Singh Ji,

Gurbani does not tell that on the path of Spirituality you have to be well read only.

jo pRwxI goivMdu iDAwvY ]
piVAw AxpiVAw prm giq pwvY ]1]
swDU sMig ismir gopwl ]
ibnu nwvY JUTw Dnu mwlu ]1] rhwau ]
rUpvMqu so cquru isAwxw ]
ijin jin mwinAw pRB kw Bwxw ]2]
jg mih AwieAw so prvwxu ]
Git Git Apxw suAwmI jwxu ]3]
khu nwnk jw ky pUrn Bwg ]
hir crxI qw kw mnu lwg ]4]


To understand Gurbani Guru Naal Liv Lagni Jaroori Hai, na ke well read hona jaroori hai.

and please clarify is this statement of your show that you belong to Sikh Faith- as every Sikh in so many countries that i know-DOES KIRTAN, LISTEN TO KIRTAN. EVERY GURDWARA HAS KITAN PRATHA. DHAN DHAN GURU NANAK SACHE PAATSHAH STARTED RWABI KIRTAN. ALL GURU SAHIBBAN HAD KIRTAN PRATHA.

The reverent Gurus asked mind to become BairAgee (without rAg). They also confirmed that a rAgee does not, please God.
Surprise. They are training Sikhs to become rAgees these days. Please explain it. Why?

who are 'they'???????

and can you explain all the following- as this is also Gurbani.



hau FwFI hir pRB Ksm kw hir kY dir AwieAw ]
hir AMdir suxI pUkwr FwFI muiK lwieAw ]
hir puiCAw FwFI sid kY ikqu AriQ qUM AwieAw ]
inq dyvhu dwnu dieAwl pRB hir nwmu iDAwieAw ]
hir dwqY hir nwmu jpwieAw nwnku pYnwieAw ]


Kwlk kau Awdysu FwFI gwvxw ]
nwnk jugu jugu eyku mMin vswvxw ]


kir ikrpw sMqn scu kihAw ]
srb sUK iehu Awnµdu lihAw ]
swDsMig hir kIrqnu gweIAY ]
khu nwnk vfBwgI pweIAY ]


FwFI iqs no AwKIAY ij KsmY Dry ipAwru ]
dir KVw syvw kry gur sbdI vIcwru ]
FwFI dru Gru pwiesI scu rKY aur Dwir ]
FwFI kw mhlu Aglw hir kY nwie ipAwir ]
FwFI kI syvw cwkrI hir jip hir insqwir ]


hau iqsu FwFI kurbwxu ij qyrw syvdwru ]
hau iqsu FwFI bilhwr ij gwvY gux Apwr ]
so FwFI Dnu DMnu ijsu loVy inrMkwru ]
so FwFI BwgTu ijsu scw duAwr bwru ]
Ehu FwFI quDu iDAwie klwxy idnu rYxwr ]
mMgY AMimRq nwmu n AwvY kdy hwir ]
kpVu Bojnu scu rhdw ilvY Dwr ]
so FwFI guxvMqu ijs no pRB ipAwru ]


hir kIrqnu suxY hir kIrqnu gwvY ]
iqsu jn dUKu inkit nhI AwvY ]



forgive me please

 

[simpy]

Re: Who wants to become a rAagee?

guir pUrY pUrI kInI ]
bKs ApunI kir dInI ]
inq Anµd suK pwieAw ]
Qwv sgly suKI vswieAw ]1]
hir kI Bgiq Pl dwqI ]
guir pUrY ikrpw kir dInI ivrlY ikn hI jwqI ] rhwau ]
gurbwxI gwvh BweI ]
Eh sPl sdw suKdweI ]
nwnk nwmu iDAwieAw ]
pUrib iliKAw pwieAw ]2]​

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Quote "Gurbani does not tell that on the path of Spirituality you have to be well read only."
I thought I was exchanging views with learned Bhagats on Internet who is referring GurbAnee frequently.

Question "who are 'they'???????"
They are the missionaries who train their BAbAs to call others fake.

Quote "and please clarify is this statement of your show that you belong to Sikh Faith- as every Sikh in so many countries that i know-DOES KIRTAN, LISTEN TO KIRTAN. EVERY GURDWARA HAS KITAN PRATHA. DHAN DHAN GURU NANAK SACHE PAATSHAH STARTED RWABI KIRTAN. ALL GURU SAHIBBAN HAD KIRTAN PRATHA."

I have heard about the nun who once whispered in the Pope's ears trying to convince him with the catholic religion.
Please give one reference where the Gurus have suggested us to remember their Hymns by mind and tongue, sing those by imitating them.

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Thanks for the wonderful Shabads from Gurdev. May I ask if any Vaak of these suggest us to become a RAgee.

Before Gurdev mentions the stage where Keertan is possible swDsMig hir kIrqnu gweIAY ], many developments take place.

Those are
hau FwFI hir pRB Ksm kw hir kY dir AwieAw ]
hir AMdir suxI pUkwr FwFI muiK lwieAw ]
hir puiCAw FwFI sid kY ikqu AriQ qUM AwieAw ]
inq dyvhu dwnu dieAwl pRB hir nwmu iDAwieAw ]
hir dwqY hir nwmu jpwieAw nwnku pYnwieAw ]

A true DhADhee does not sing in RAgAs and imitate the Guru. In Guru's words a true DhADhee is as follows.

FwFI iqs no AwKIAY ij KsmY Dry ipAwru ]
dir KVw syvw kry gur sbdI vIcwru ]
FwFI dru Gru pwiesI scu rKY aur Dwir ]
FwFI kw mhlu Aglw hir kY nwie ipAwir ]
FwFI kI syvw cwkrI hir jip hir insqwir ]


hau iqsu FwFI kurbwxu ij qyrw syvdwru ]
hau iqsu FwFI bilhwr ij gwvY gux Apwr ]
so FwFI Dnu DMnu ijsu loVy inrMkwru ]
so FwFI BwgTu ijsu scw duAwr bwru ]
Ehu FwFI quDu iDAwie klwxy idnu rYxwr ]
mMgY AMimRq nwmu n AwvY kdy hwir ]
kpVu Bojnu scu rhdw ilvY Dwr ]
so FwFI guxvMqu ijs no pRB ipAwru ]

Listening true Hari Keertan is the true Simran. Singing true Hari Keertan is japping it while praising.
Hari Keertan is not singing borrowed songs in duplicated tunes while imitating others to earn bread and fame.

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quote
gurbwxI gwvh BweI ]
Eh sPl sdw suKdweI ]
nwnk nwmu iDAwieAw ]
pUrib iliKAw pwieAw ]2]

In my view, GurbAnee is the Naam received through Guru's mouth. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee is the praise of this GurbAnee.


Balbir Singh

 

[simpy]

hir kIrqnu suxY hir kIrqnu gwvY ]
iqsu jn dUKu inkit nhI AwvY ]
​

 

[simpy]

gurbwxI gwvh BweI ]
Eh sPl sdw suKdweI ]
​

 

[simpy]

Respected Saadh sangat Ji,

Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Ram Das Ji De bachan panna # 450


ijn msqik Duir hir iliKAw iqnw siqguru imilAw rwm rwjy ]
AigAwnu AMDyrw kitAw gur igAwnu Git bilAw ]
hir lDw rqnu pdwrQo iPir bhuiV n cilAw ]
jn nwnk nwmu AwrwiDAw AwrwiD hir imilAw ]1]
ijnI AYsw hir nwmu n cyiqE sy kwhy jig Awey rwm rwjy ]
iehu mwxs jnmu dulµBu hY nwm ibnw ibrQw sBu jwey ]
huix vqY hir nwmu n bIijE AgY BuKw ikAw Kwey ]
mnmuKw no iPir jnmu hY nwnk hir Bwey ]2]
qUM hir qyrw sBu ko siB quDu aupwey rwm rwjy ]
ikCu hwiQ iksY dY ikCu nwhI siB clih clwey ]
ijn@ qUM mylih ipAwry sy quDu imlih jo hir min Bwey ]
jn nwnk siqguru ByitAw hir nwim qrwey ]3]
koeI gwvY rwgI nwdI bydI bhu Bwiq kir nhI hir hir BIjY rwm rwjy ]
ijnw AMqir kptu ivkwru hY iqnw roie ikAw kIjY ]
hir krqw sBu ikCu jwxdw isir rog hQu dIjY ]

ijnw nwnk gurmuiK ihrdw suDu hY hir Bgiq hir lIjY ]4]


Here Guru ji is telling us how important it is to dwell on naam simran. Otherwise all is useless. And also by hiding our sins we cannot be saved, from who we are hiding.... Purity of heart is most important...empty rituals are of no avail.....


translation of the above from Sikhitothemax-

Aasaa, Fourth Mehl:
Those who have the blessed pre-ordained destiny of the Lord written on their foreheads, meet the True Guru, the Lord King.
The Guru removes the darkness of ignorance, and spiritual wisdom illuminates their hearts.
They find the wealth of the jewel of the Lord, and then, they do not wander any longer.
Servant Nanak meditates on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and in meditation, he meets the Lord. ||1||
Those who have not kept the Lord's Name in their consciousness - why did they bother to come into the world, O Lord King?
It is so difficult to obtain this human incarnation, and without the Naam, it is all futile and useless.
Now, in this most fortunate season, he does not plant the seed of the Lord's Name; what will the hungry soul eat, in the world hereafter?
The self-willed manmukhs are born again and again. O Nanak, such is the Lord's Will. ||2||
You, O Lord, belong to all, and all belong to You. You created all, O Lord King.
Nothing is in anyone's hands; all walk as You cause them to walk.
They alone are united with You, O Beloved, whom You cause to be so united; they alone are pleasing to Your Mind.
Servant Nanak has met the True Guru, and through the Lord's Name, he has been carried across. ||3||
Some sing of the Lord, through musical Ragas and the sound current of the Naad, through the Vedas, and in so many ways. But the Lord, Har, Har, is not pleased by these, O Lord King.
Those who are filled with fraud and corruption within - what good does it do for them to cry out?
The Creator Lord knows everything, although they may try to hide their sins and the causes of their diseases.
O Nanak, those Gurmukhs whose hearts are pure, obtain the Lord, Har, Har, by devotional worship. ||4||11||18||




forgive me please

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Please read my last post again.

All right, I explain it again.

BAnee is that one speaks through the mouth. GurbAnee is the Naam technique (Gur) that Guru transfers by speaking through His mouth.
Do not be surprised if no one finds the word Guru-Banee in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee is Guru's BAnee, the praise of GurbAnee, now available as written and printed but not the technique of speech (GurbAnee).
Another very important secret is this. The technique of the Guru's spoken words works in all. It does not matter if the receiver knows Gurmukhi language or not. Nevertheless, to interpret and understand Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee one needs to know the Gurmukhi Language.

This is another damage to true Sikhee, created unconsciously by the lost preachers and misinterpreters.

The only way to know the Truth is getting true Naam Simran.


Balbir Singh

 

[simpy]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Please read my last post again.

All right, I explain it again.

BAnee is that one speaks through the mouth. GurbAnee is the Naam technique (Gur) that Guru transfers by speaking through His mouth.
Do not be surprised if no one finds the word Guru-Banee in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee is Guru's BAnee, the praise of GurbAnee, now available as written and printed but not the technique of speech (GurbAnee).
Another very important secret is this. The technique of the Guru's spoken words works in all. It does not matter if the receiver knows Gurmukhi language or not. Nevertheless, to interpret and understand Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee one needs to know the Gurmukhi Language.

This is another damage to true Sikhee, created unconsciously by the lost preachers and misinterpreters.

The only way to know the Truth is getting true Naam Simran.


Balbir Singh

Respected Balbir Ji,

endless thanks to you again.

it is very fine if for you naam is realized through somebody living GURU, i myself totally respect this, BUT THERE ARE MANY MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING SAME AND MORE THROUGH DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI.

what is the problem then????

WE RESPECT DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI AND SEE THE LIVING JOTE IN THERE, IF YOU DONOT SEE IT AND BELIEVE IT, NOBODY CAN HELP YOU MY VEER, IN THAT PART.

SATGURU HOI DYAAL TA SARDHAA PUREEAAY.

YOUR SATGURU IS YOUR GURU, MOST RESPECTS FOR HIM/HER FROM MYSELF. YOU ARE BLESSED.

I DONOT THINK ANYBODY CAN CHANGE THAT TRUTH.

AND YOU CANNOT CHANGE THIS TRUTH THAT DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI IS ENLIGHTENING OTHERS, BLESSING OTHERS.

in my experience anybody who is blessed by a True Guru respects others Guru as well.

Because a True Guru does not divide people on the name of GURU or by the form of a Guru, as Guru is not limited to a body.


forgive me please

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Please do not judge others by painting their pictures. We are discussing GurbAnee. GurbAnee is what the Gurus have spoken about Simran and its Gur (Technique).

Quote "WE RESPECT DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI AND SEE THE LIVING JOTE IN THERE, IF YOU DONOT SEE IT AND BELIEVE IT, NOBODY CAN HELP YOU MY VEER, IN THAT PART."
Please do not worry about me. God and the Guru are caring already through explanations.

Quote "Because a True Guru does not divide people on the name of GURU or by the form of a Guru, as Guru is not limited to a body."
Through the Guru one merges in Truth. Still, ignorant sustains the mayic world.

By the way, has someone found a Vaak from the Guru suggesting anyone to become a RAgee?


Balbir Singh

 

[drkhalsa]

Another very important secret is this. The technique of the Guru's spoken words works in all. It does not matter if the receiver knows Gurmukhi language or not. Nevertheless, to interpret and understand Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee one needs to know the Gurmukhi Language.

This is another damage to true Sikhee, created unconsciously by the lost preachers and misinterpreters.

The only way to know the Truth is getting true Naam Simran.

Resp=ected Balbir Singh Ji

Thanks for the P+osts!

Can you help me in understanding this p=ost of yours

Who is the Guru mentioned here who's Banee is also the Naam daat that we/i need

Jatinder Singh

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all and Jatinder Jee!

Question "Who is the Guru mentioned here who's Banee is also the Naam daat that we/i need"
This is surely not the BAbAs who sit beside Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee and promise to establish your contact with the Guru in silence and His Gur.

The main point is perhaps still missing. Gurdev is singing the importance and praise of the Gur (Technique). The preachers have translated every technique Guroo. One receives the Gur as PrasAd through the Guru. Be happy if one has got it from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee or a BAbA, the self imposed personal assistant.

The Guru is singing about the Gur (Technique).
bn mih BUlI jy iPrw ibnu gur bUJ n pwau ]
"ban meh bhoolee jay firaa bin gur boojh na paa-o."
One lost in forest when wanders. Without Gur he cannot resolve.

nwvhu BUlI jy iPrw iPir iPir Awvau jwau
"naavhu bhoolee jay firaa fir fir aava-o jaa-o." SGGS 57-3, Sriraag, Guru NAnak Dev Jee
With forgotten NAm when one wanders, he repeatedly comes and go.

This is another sacred Vaak from Guru Arjan Dev Jee.
igAwn pdwrQu miq gur qy pwieAY
"gi-aan padaarath mat gur tay paa-i-ai." SGGS Ang 520-5.
One achieves wisdom-matter's knowledge from the Gur.


Balbir Singh

 

[drkhalsa]

By the way, has someone found a Vaak from the Guru suggesting anyone to become a RAgee?

Dear Balbir Singh ji

Thanks for your reply and maing it more clear for small intellect like me

Icould not find any Vaak suggesting ti become raagi

Still I personnally like Kirtan in Raag very much as it help= in concentrating mind more on the gur shabad and meaning sometimes

Is it totally wrong to be trained as Raagi ?


Please explain does the Raag kirtan is totally useless



Thanks
Jatinder Singh

 

[simpy]

Respected jatinder Ji,

Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Arjan Dev Ji De Bachan Panna#5,

where He is telling-Katha Kirtan is His Life's Purpose.

ismir ismir pRBu Awpnw nwTw duK Twau ]
ibsRwm pwey imil swDsMig qw qy bhuiV n Dwau ]1]
bilhwrI gur Awpny crnn@ bil jwau ]
And sUK mMgl bny pyKq gun gwau ]1] rhwau ]
kQw kIrqnu rwg nwd Duin iehu binE suAwau ]
nwnk pRB supRsMn Bey bWCq Pl pwau ]2]


AMg 818
ang 818
Page 818

iblwvlu mhlw 5 ]
bilaavul mehulaa 5
Bilaaval, Fifth Mehl:

ismir ismir pRBu Awpnw nwTw duK Twau ]
simar simar prubh aapunaa naathaa dhukh thaao
Remembering, remembering my God in meditation, the house of pain is removed.

ibsRwm pwey imil swDsMig qw qy bhuiV n Dwau ]1]
bisraam paaeae mil saadhusung thaa thae buhurr n dhaao
Joining the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, I have found peace and tranquility; I shall not wander away from there again. ||1||

bilhwrI gur Awpny crnn@ bil jwau ]
balihaaree gur aapunae churununu bal jaao
I am devoted to my Guru; I am a sacrifice to His Feet.

And sUK mMgl bny pyKq gun gwau ]1] rhwau ]
anudh sookh mungul bunae paekhuth gun gaao
I am blessed with ecstasy, peace and happiness, gazing upon the Guru, and singing the Lord's Glorious Praises. ||1||Pause||

kQw kIrqnu rwg nwd Duin iehu binE suAwau ]
kuthaa keeruthun raag naadh dhun eihu baniou suaao
This is my life's purpose, to sing the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises, and listen to the vibrations of the sound current of the Naad.

nwnk pRB supRsMn Bey bWCq Pl pwau ]2]6]70]
naanuk prubh suprusunn bheae baashuth ful paao
O Nanak, God is totally pleased with me; I have obtained the fruits of my desires. ||2||6||70||



again on Panna# 821 Where he is guiding everybody to do so...


rwiK lIey Apny jn Awp ]
kir ikrpw hir hir nwmu dIno ibnis gey sB sog sMqwp ]1] rhwau ]
gux goivMd gwvhu siB hir jn rwg rqn rsnw Awlwp ]
koit jnm kI iqRsnw invrI rwm rswieix Awqm DRwp ]1]
crx ghy srix suKdwqy gur kY bcin jpy hir jwp ]
swgr qry Brm BY ibnsy khu nwnk Twkur prqwp ]2]
AMg 821
ang 821
Page 821

iblwvlu mhlw 5 ]
bilaavul mehulaa 5
Bilaaval, Fifth Mehl:

rwiK lIey Apny jn Awp ]
raakh leeeae apunae jun aap
He Himself has saved His humble servant.

kir ikrpw hir hir nwmu dIno ibnis gey sB sog sMqwp ]1] rhwau ]
kar kirupaa har har naam dheeno binas geae subh sog sunthaap
In His Mercy, the Lord, Har, Har, has blessed me with His Name, and all my pains and afflictions have been dispelled. ||1||Pause||

gux goivMd gwvhu siB hir jn rwg rqn rsnw Awlwp ]
gun govindh gaavuhu sabh har jun raag ruthun rusunaa aalaap
Sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord of the Universe, all you humble servants of the Lord; chant the jewels, the songs of the Lord with your tongue.

koit jnm kI iqRsnw invrI rwm rswieix Awqm DRwp ]1]
kott junum kee thrisunaa nivuree raam rusaaein aathum dhraap
The desires of millions of incarnations shall be quenched, and your soul shall be satisfied with the sweet, sublime essence of the Lord. ||1||

crx ghy srix suKdwqy gur kY bcin jpy hir jwp ]
churun gehae suran sukhudhaathae gur kai buchan jupae har jaap
I have grasped the Sanctuary of the Lord's Feet; He is the Giver of peace; through the Word of the Guru's Teachings, I meditate and chant the Chant of the Lord.

swgr qry Brm BY ibnsy khu nwnk Twkur prqwp ]2]5]85]
saagur thurae bhurum bhai binusae kuhu naanuk thaakur puruthaap
I have crossed over the world-ocean, and my doubt and fear are dispelled, says Nanak, through the glorious granduer of our Lord and Master. ||2||5||85||





forgive me please

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all!

Jatinder Veer asked "Is it totally wrong to be trained as Raagi ?"

In my observation training of a RAgee is like learning any other worldly profession or engagement. It has nothing to do with true NAM Simran. The situation worsens when a RAgee or a KathA VAchak seeks the stage for a successful drama. Does spiritual growth ever need a platform for a show before the audience?
They exhibit spirituality, decorated with the ashes of their profession. These pseudo holy persons should listen Gurdev singing.
ibnu siqgur nwau n pweIAY ibnu nwvY ikAw suAwau ]
"bin satgur naa-o na paa-ee-ai bin naavai ki-aa su-aa-o." SGGS Ang 58-3
Without Sat Gur NAM is not received. Without NAM what becomes ashes.

Quote "Please explain does the Raag kirtan is totally useless"

In my view, all worldly activities are useless without true Simran. It is NAM Simran that burns the attachment with such activities. One should wear such ashes to live like a true Saint.
Gurdev is singing DMDw sBu jlwie kY guir nwmu dIAw scu suAwau ]
"DhanDhaa sabh jalaa-ay kai gur naam dee-aa sach su-aa-o." SGGS Ang 43-15
By burning all occupations, Gur NAM gave true ashes.

With the growth of true NAM all worldly engagements become ashes. Gurdev is explaining this in ecstasy.
kQw kIrqnu rwg nwd Duin iehu binE suAwau ]
"kathaa keertan raag naad Dhun ih bani-o su-aa-o." SGGS Ang 818-8
Kathaa, Keertan, Raag, Naad, Dhun, all these became ashes.


Balbir Singh

 

[simpy]

Respected Balbir Singh Ji,

PLEASE DO NOT MISINTERPRET GURBANI. THIS IS A DISRESPECT TO DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI. PLEASE DON'T DO THIS.

and endless thanks to you for being with us.



Respected Saadh Sangat Ji

suAwau dw ArQ hY- pRXojn, Awpxw kMm, sohnw kMm,

Aqy sMs , suAwrQ, lwB, Pwiedw

Aqy suAwd


In Gurbani word- suaaoo means- life's purpose, profit, good task, good taste.....


The word 'Ashes' is mentioned in Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji by the word-



svwh

Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Amar Das Ji De Bachan on panna# 88

siqguru ijnI iDAwieAw sy kiV n svwhI ]
siqguru ijnI iDAwieAw sy iqRpiq AGwhI ]
siqguru ijnI iDAwieAw iqn jm fru nwhI ]
ijn kau hoAw ik®pwlu hir sy siqgur pYrI pwhI ]
iqn AYQY EQY muK aujly hir drgh pYDy jwhI ]


(siqgurU nMU iDAwax vwly kuV kuV ky svwh nhIN huMdy[)





forgive me please

 

[simpy]

Respected Saadh Sangat Ji,



Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Amar das Ji De Bachan panna # 426



dohwgxI mhlu n pwien@I n jwxin ipr kw suAwau ]
iPkw bolih nw invih dUjw Bwau suAwau ]1]
iehu mnUAw ikau kir vis AwvY ]
gur prswdI TwkIAY igAwn mqI Gir AwvY ]1] rhwau ]
sohwgxI Awip svwrIEnu lwie pRym ipAwru ]
siqgur kY BwxY cldIAw nwmy shij sIgwru ]2]
sdw rwvih ipru Awpxw scI syj suBwie ]
ipr kY pRyim mohIAw imil pRIqm suKu pwie ]3]
igAwn Apwru sIgwru hY soBwvMqI nwir ]
sw sBrweI suMdrI ipr kY hyiq ipAwir ]4]
sohwgxI ivic rMgu riKEnu scY AliK Apwir ]
siqguru syvin Awpxw scY Bwie ipAwir ]5]
sohwgxI sIgwru bxwieAw gux kw gil hwru ]
pRym iprmlu qin lwvxw AMqir rqnu vIcwru ]6]
Bgiq rqy sy aUqmw jiq piq sbdy hoie ]
ibnu nwvY sB nIc jwiq hY ibstw kw kIVw hoie ]7]
hau hau krdI sB iPrY ibnu sbdY hau n jwie ]
nwnk nwim rqy iqn haumY geI scY rhy smwie ]8]8]30]

The deserted brides neither obtain the Mansion of their Husband's Presence, nor they know His taste. They speak harsh words, and are not humble; they are in love with another.



Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Arjan Dev Ji De Bachan Panna # 318




ifTVo hB Twie aUx n kweI jwie ]
nwnk lDw iqn suAwau ijnw siqguru ByitAw ]1]

Those who meet with the True Guru find the object of life.



again on Panna # 520




scI bYsk iqn@w sMig ijn sMig jpIAY nwau ]
iqn@ sMig sMgu n kIceI nwnk ijnw Awpxw suAwau ]2]

Do not associate with those, O Nanak, who look out only for their own interests.





forgive me please